i was going to comment on this also, its probably because console players are so far behind on CPS

"Over the cap"... how will this help those who are behind the curve?

interesting, will this work retroactively because I have gained about 50 cps after hitting the cap and its about a million xp right now

TotterTates wrote: »

"Over the cap"... how will this help those who are behind the curve?

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't get why this was changed. It doesn't help the players intended to be helped by the cap, this only benefits players at/above cap.

If you have a heart beat, you will hit the cap with the new catch up mechanism. Do they really need to make it easier??! This change would benefit those that have already hit the cap, or will soon do so, so that they do not feel character progression has come to a halt.

Link to XBOX1 patch notes please?

That should be the other way around. They should lower the CP for Players UNDER the CAP not over it. Just what good does that actually do to earn CP faster when you can't use it? The CP Cap is supposed to be used as a Catch Up Mechanic yet is seems as though it's doing the exact opposite. It takes more EX to earn CP under the CAP than over it??? That's jacked.....

Robbmrp wrote: »

That should be the other way around. They should lower the CP for Players UNDER the CAP not over it. Just what good does that actually do to earn CP faster when you can't use it? The CP Cap is supposed to be used as a Catch Up Mechanic yet is seems as though it's doing the exact opposite. It takes more EX to earn CP under the CAP than over it??? That's jacked.....

I agree that it should be less exp required below the cap if changes occur but its saying that exp above is being reduced by 33%......maybe I read it wrong but that only reduced the exp need for the first CP by 400k+ give or take.
Mathematically this causes the exp required to CP's over the cap to only be about double instead of triple the exp for a normal CP before the catch up changes.

I personally believe that both the above and below could benefit from changes but the complaints were for those above the cap and this is the right decision.

Kammakazi wrote: »

So basically all that does is remove the 1.5x modifier if you're 501 and above?

So basically [ ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 ] * 1

So basically at 501 to get to 502, you would need: 446628.46 XP

and basically before, with the 1.5x penalty you would have needed: 669942.69 XP

I'm not sure that math is correct.
use this older guide....and re-caculate because it should turn out that 502 will cost over 1 mil or so and up respectively.

old graph

It's the number on the chart (y) times 0.33, equals x
then subtract x from y to get the new cap requirement.
So at 502, instead of ~1.7 million, it's ~1.1 million.

Not as punishing, but still punishing enough.


Reality alert: if the new average and/or median CP hasn't currently substantially increased ever since the catch-up mechanism was introduced (by at least 100 to 190ish), we never needed a catch-up mechanism to begin with because there's obviously another, bigger factor as to why people aren't progressing.

My theory? More veteran players are either end-gaming in Cyrodiil/IC with lower per usual mob encounters, or leveling new non-vet characters. Meaning ZOS is constantly tweaking a progression system that relatively few people are using for progression.

So all the whining about not being able to catch up fast enough or too many people being OP because of CP is probably rubbish. Easy way to test this is just to show your applied CP rank in the interface other people see. That way, maybe if you're wrecked by somebody with 3 CP you'll just *** and L2P instead of crying to Lambone about it.

guess no one noticed they put if you push the shift button twice we wont be stuck running anymore.... on the xbox update... because we have a shift button and all

Kammakazi wrote: »

So basically all that does is remove the 1.5x modifier if you're 501 and above?

So basically [ ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 ] * 1

So basically at 501 to get to 502, you would need: 446628.46 XP

and basically before, with the 1.5x penalty you would have needed: 669942.69 XP

Yes. That's essentially what's happening.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not sure that math is correct.
use this older guide....and re-caculate because it should turn out that 502 will cost over 1 mil or so and up respectively.

old graph

That table is out-of-date. That's based on the original PTS formula,

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.95)) + 0.08) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula, and then tripled.

not the one that ended up on Live.

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

• ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
• If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula and then multiplied by 1.5.

Enodoc wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

So basically all that does is remove the 1.5x modifier if you're 501 and above?

So basically [ ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 ] * 1

So basically at 501 to get to 502, you would need: 446628.46 XP

and basically before, with the 1.5x penalty you would have needed: 669942.69 XP

Yes. That's essentially what's happening.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not sure that math is correct.
use this older guide....and re-caculate because it should turn out that 502 will cost over 1 mil or so and up respectively.

old graph

That table is out-of-date. That's based on the original PTS formula,

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.95)) + 0.08) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula, and then tripled.

not the one that ended up on Live.

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

• ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
• If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula and then multiplied by 1.5.

Kammakazi wrote: »

And that chart is irrelevant because that's the outdated formula

I know the chart is outdated but this is about the 502 part.....the formula only matters if you want the chart updated.
The decease and concepts to me makes sense. Lots of complaints about more than 3 times the exp required after Cap....they reduced it be 33%.....problem solved. No math needed to understand the intent.

Enodoc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

So basically all that does is remove the 1.5x modifier if you're 501 and above?

So basically [ ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 ] * 1

So basically at 501 to get to 502, you would need: 446628.46 XP

and basically before, with the 1.5x penalty you would have needed: 669942.69 XP

Yes. That's essentially what's happening.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not sure that math is correct.
use this older guide....and re-caculate because it should turn out that 502 will cost over 1 mil or so and up respectively.

old graph

That table is out-of-date. That's based on the original PTS formula,

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.95)) + 0.08) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula, and then tripled.

not the one that ended up on Live.

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

• ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
• If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula and then multiplied by 1.5.

Kammakazi wrote: »

And that chart is irrelevant because that's the outdated formula

I know the chart is outdated but this is about the 502 part.....the formula only matters if you want the chart updated.
The decease and concepts to me makes sense. Lots of complaints about more than 3 times the exp required after Cap....they reduced it be 33%.....problem solved. No math needed to understand the intent.

But the "3 times the XP required after cap" was part of the original formula as well. The Live formula is "1.5 times the XP required after cap". Reducing that by 33% means they have completely taken away the "after cap" modifier.

Yep and that makes sense as its a "catch-up" mechanism and not a cap mechanism.

That's been the complaints of many and now it's great to see that removed.
3 down to 1.5 down by another 33%

It never made any sense why they changed the exp beyond the cap of points we can use as the cap is for use and not earning. The catch-up is for earning

Enodoc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

So basically all that does is remove the 1.5x modifier if you're 501 and above?

So basically [ ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 ] * 1

So basically at 501 to get to 502, you would need: 446628.46 XP

and basically before, with the 1.5x penalty you would have needed: 669942.69 XP

Yes. That's essentially what's happening.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not sure that math is correct.
use this older guide....and re-caculate because it should turn out that 502 will cost over 1 mil or so and up respectively.

old graph

That table is out-of-date. That's based on the original PTS formula,

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.95)) + 0.08) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula, and then tripled.

not the one that ended up on Live.

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

• ((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.
• If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula and then multiplied by 1.5.

Kammakazi wrote: »

And that chart is irrelevant because that's the outdated formula

I know the chart is outdated but this is about the 502 part.....the formula only matters if you want the chart updated.
The decease and concepts to me makes sense. Lots of complaints about more than 3 times the exp required after Cap....they reduced it be 33%.....problem solved. No math needed to understand the intent.

But the "3 times the XP required after cap" was part of the original formula as well. The Live formula is "1.5 times the XP required after cap". Reducing that by 33% means they have completely taken away the "after cap" modifier.

Yep and that makes sense as its a "catch-up" mechanism and not a cap mechanism.

That's been the complaints of many and now it's great to see that removed.
3 down to 1.5 down by another 33%

It never made any sense why they changed the exp beyond the cap of points we can use as the cap is for use and not earning. The catch-up is for earning

Maybe so, and I'm not saying I disagree, but it's clear from the way ZOS introduced it that they wanted to slow down CP gain after the cap (presumably so people over the cap didn't pull too far away), so I'm wondering why they have decided to scrap the over-cap multiplier. Maybe it is just based on player feedback, but then why was the multiplier put in at all, after people on PTS said they didn't want it? They reduced it by 50% from PTS to Live to accommodate for that feedback, so what changed to make them decide to scrap it altogether?

No idea why the changes but in my opinion
-keep the catch-up part
-do away with the cap for exp and use
-remove CP from all PvP
-don't use CP for content progression


I'm not a believer in this system. I like some things but it shouldn't do anything more than offer a option to make a character more efficient and in ways make some content easier when used or default when not use (as difficulty slider).
That's the best direction they can take.

Then they can spend more time on content and items for progression.
Perhaps they could add Passives for crafting into the CP system as harvesting, mining, etc