Veteran Maelstrom Arena | Templars

Molag_Crow · January 2016

I seriously recommend that you do not even bother with vMSA on a Magicka Templar; if...

If you're not familiar with each round and stage, on vet, on your other classes like Sorc/Nb.
If you have under 500 Champion Points (or 400+... let's be honest.)
If you're willing to spend over 500 soul gems, 100k+ gold repairs/repair boxes/crown store repairs, craploads of spell damage potions and tri stat food on progression.
If you haven't got a monster set/piece like Molag Kena, for example for as much spell damage as possible, as well as enough resources, etc...
If you haven't got full legendary gear & weapons with divines traits or whatever.
IF YOU'RE ON CONSOLE, GOOD LUCK LOL no buff timers, no combat text (not yet anyway) and no useful PC addon-type stuff, like even seeing the % of health for Sheogorath's sake, and not to mention the fact that you don't have to use a pad which blocks/drains most of your stamina at times while simply just trying to interrupt a target, as it uses the same triggers, and as well being unable to efficiently switch bars quick enough, sometimes...
Do not copy builds off guides if the player has cleared Veteran many times, unless you've got the right stats to be an insane, constantly on the move, positioning-god, situational-awareness-champion GLASS CANNON with like 18k-19k health and insane crit/spell damage/magicka.
*dies*

6 hours later and I'm on stage 7 with 400 gold left, 172 soul gems from 400, and... my mind has sizzled into a pancake. It's my first time running vMSA as I'm mainly a pvper, but wow, this is just insane and honestly, I think PC have it easier lol.

We have 22 Templar's who've finished it on EU, and 89 Sorcs. That says A LOT.

Kammakazi · January 2016

Hey I have a friend who farms the crap outta that place and he's a Magplar.

;_;

wayfarerx · January 2016

OP is telling the truth. I banged my head against vMA with my templar for awhile, spent a bunch of gold and drank gallons of potions.

Now I'm leveling my magicka sorcerer up to v16.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

Lol you don't need to use gems and magicka templars are one of the highest scoring if not the highest scoring classes on console. You're doing something wrong. Potions can be made for 5-10k a stack I use 60 per run.

Shader_Shibes · January 2016

Its your first attempt, what do you expect? Do you think the guys topping the leaderboards steam rolled through it first go? My first attempt took me 6 hours to get to last boss, now i can do it in like 1h 20. You gotta bear with it, it will get easier and cheaper the more you do it.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Sorcs:

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Molag_Crow · January 2016

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Its your first attempt, what do you expect? Do you think the guys topping the leaderboards steam rolled through it first go? My first attempt took me 6 hours to get to last boss, now i can do it in like 1h 20. You gotta bear with it, it will get easier and cheaper the more you do it.

I know what you mean, and that's what I actually like about it, being so challenging... I know once you get used to it you've got it on farm, but the point of this topic was just venting frustration AND giving other Templar's a heads up. Don't come unprepared, basically...

Man.. I'm screwed now... it's going to take me a few weeks to get enough gold back, repair kits from writs, and I might actually craft a whole new set

19k health doesn't feel good for a first tryer, believe me

Molag_Crow · January 2016

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Lol you don't need to use gems and magicka templars are one of the highest scoring if not the highest scoring classes on console. You're doing something wrong. Potions can be made for 5-10k a stack I use 60 per run.

I take it you're on Xbox? or NA server PS4 maybe?

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG

after 6 hours my mind is ***.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Hey I have a friend who farms the crap outta that place and he's a Magplar.

;_;

Omg..... that sig... really?

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Anyway, it's time to lay low for a few weeks and take a break from here.. damn, dreading doing stages 5 and 6 again tbh. I'd like to say thanks to the crap guild traders and all the items that never sell, and I'd like to say a HUGE thank you to Zeni for making repair costs so much (over time, from many bad deaths) as a "gold sink" for us poor scrubs who mainly pvp and make nothing.

timidobserver · January 2016

It is definitely a lot easier and faster on a Sorc, but magicka temps should be able to finish this without as much trouble as the op describes.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Lol you don't need to use gems and magicka templars are one of the highest scoring if not the highest scoring classes on console. You're doing something wrong. Potions can be made for 5-10k a stack I use 60 per run.

I take it you're on Xbox? or NA server PS4 maybe?

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

Nah ps4 which is irrelevant you said console I'm on console. Highest score on PS4 NA is still a magicka templar I'd credit the length of each leader board simply to class preference 80% of the game is nb sorc so what do you expect. Templars have far more than their actual population representation. And their score keeps up right in line with sorcs so clearly it's excuses and poor play rather than a class issue. Dk's are the only ones that should be complaining every other class can go sit in a corner and think about what they said.

Acrolas · January 2016

Malacath doesn't give out participation trophies.

UrQuan · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

lol you get an awesome for that comment.

I have yet to try vMA primarily because of the time requirement and the fact that you can't save your progression and come back to that point later. Finding a solid block of many hours that I can devote to that is something I haven't been able to do yet. I also need to learn the stage mechanics on normal mode better before I give it a go.

When I do try it, though, it will be on my magicka templar. I do have all legendary VR16 gear, with Molag Kena shoulders (I don't actually want the 2-piece bonus as getting it to proc would screw up my sustain), a ton of soul gems, and at the moment just over 400 CPs. I don't expect it to be easy. I don't expect that I'll be able to complete it on my first attempt. Maybe not on any attempt. I expect that it will be frustrating at times. I'm still looking forward to trying it.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

lol you get an awesome for that comment.

I have yet to try vMA primarily because of the time requirement and the fact that you can't save your progression and come back to that point later. Finding a solid block of many hours that I can devote to that is something I haven't been able to do yet. I also need to learn the stage mechanics on normal mode better before I give it a go.

When I do try it, though, it will be on my magicka templar. I do have all legendary VR16 gear, with Molag Kena shoulders (I don't actually want the 2-piece bonus as getting it to proc would screw up my sustain), a ton of soul gems, and at the moment just over 400 CPs. I don't expect it to be easy. I don't expect that I'll be able to complete it on my first attempt. Maybe not on any attempt. I expect that it will be frustrating at times. I'm still looking forward to trying it.

You don't need gems just wayshrine who cares about a 30 second walk when you're learning

JayhawK · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I seriously recommend that you do not even bother with vMSA on a Magicka Templar; if...
If you're not familiar with each round and stage, on vet, on your other classes like Sorc/Nb.

If you have under 500 Champion Points (or 400+... let's be honest.)

If you're willing to spend over 500 soul gems, 100k+ gold repairs/repair boxes/crown store repairs, craploads of spell damage potions and tri stat food on progression.

If you haven't got a monster set/piece like Molag Kena, for example for as much spell damage as possible, as well as enough resources, etc...

If you haven't got full legendary gear & weapons with divines traits or whatever.

IF YOU'RE ON CONSOLE, GOOD LUCK LOL no buff timers, no combat text (not yet anyway) and no useful PC addon-type stuff, like even seeing the % of health for Sheogorath's sake, and not to mention the fact that you don't have to use a pad which blocks/drains most of your stamina at times while simply just trying to interrupt a target, as it uses the same triggers, and as well being unable to efficiently switch bars quick enough, sometimes...

Do not copy builds off guides if the player has cleared Veteran many times, unless you've got the right stats to be an insane, constantly on the move, positioning-god, situational-awareness-champion GLASS CANNON with like 18k-19k health and insane crit/spell damage/magicka.

*dies*

6 hours later and I'm on stage 7 with 400 gold left, 172 soul gems from 400, and... my mind has sizzled into a pancake. It's my first time running vMSA as I'm mainly a pvper, but wow, this is just insane and honestly, I think PC have it easier lol.

We have 22 Templar's who've finished it on EU, and 89 Sorcs. That says A LOT.

just takes time to learn the mechanics. My first clear was with around 200 cp on my magplar wearing v14 seducer gear with engine guardian. i also went through hundreds of gems and lots of gold. keep doing it and it will eventually be easy. i'm on xbox

UrQuan · January 2016

MrGigglypants wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

lol you get an awesome for that comment.

I have yet to try vMA primarily because of the time requirement and the fact that you can't save your progression and come back to that point later. Finding a solid block of many hours that I can devote to that is something I haven't been able to do yet. I also need to learn the stage mechanics on normal mode better before I give it a go.

When I do try it, though, it will be on my magicka templar. I do have all legendary VR16 gear, with Molag Kena shoulders (I don't actually want the 2-piece bonus as getting it to proc would screw up my sustain), a ton of soul gems, and at the moment just over 400 CPs. I don't expect it to be easy. I don't expect that I'll be able to complete it on my first attempt. Maybe not on any attempt. I expect that it will be frustrating at times. I'm still looking forward to trying it.

You don't need gems just wayshrine who cares about a 30 second walk when you're learning

I've got a 4 full stacks of soul gems sitting in my bank (plus most of a stack on each of my characters), and I can be pretty lazy sometimes... I mean that walk takes a whole frickin 30 seconds! Ain't nobody got time for that! So I'll probably just use gems most of the time.

s7732425ub17_ESO · January 2016

You seriously just need to practice more.

Until you have actually run Vet Maelstrom fully 5+ times, you don't know ***. But once you put in the playtime, it becomes really easy. If you don't have every single wave and add spawn mechanic memorized, you have not spent enough time practicing the arena.

Shelgon · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I seriously recommend that you do not even bother with vMSA on a Magicka Templar; if...
If you're not familiar with each round and stage, on vet, on your other classes like Sorc/Nb.

If you have under 500 Champion Points (or 400+... let's be honest.)

If you're willing to spend over 500 soul gems, 100k+ gold repairs/repair boxes/crown store repairs, craploads of spell damage potions and tri stat food on progression.

If you haven't got a monster set/piece like Molag Kena, for example for as much spell damage as possible, as well as enough resources, etc...

If you haven't got full legendary gear & weapons with divines traits or whatever.

IF YOU'RE ON CONSOLE, GOOD LUCK LOL no buff timers, no combat text (not yet anyway) and no useful PC addon-type stuff, like even seeing the % of health for Sheogorath's sake, and not to mention the fact that you don't have to use a pad which blocks/drains most of your stamina at times while simply just trying to interrupt a target, as it uses the same triggers, and as well being unable to efficiently switch bars quick enough, sometimes...

Do not copy builds off guides if the player has cleared Veteran many times, unless you've got the right stats to be an insane, constantly on the move, positioning-god, situational-awareness-champion GLASS CANNON with like 18k-19k health and insane crit/spell damage/magicka.

*dies*

6 hours later and I'm on stage 7 with 400 gold left, 172 soul gems from 400, and... my mind has sizzled into a pancake. It's my first time running vMSA as I'm mainly a pvper, but wow, this is just insane and honestly, I think PC have it easier lol.

We have 22 Templar's who've finished it on EU, and 89 Sorcs. That says A LOT.

my first complete as a stamina templar took 9 hours

eliisra · January 2016

It's a bit harder on a templar compared to sorc. Or the hardest parts, the things that ruins your entire day, is easier on sorc. Rest is pretty even, in terms of difficulty.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing, since you're only competing against your own class.

On my templars I get the weekly leaderboard reward with my dashing 3-digit wipe results. I really suck, but still get gold weapon by just completing it once a week. Sorc's and NB's on the other hand, they actually need to be sort of good to reach the weekly. They cant just herpderp wipe and spam sigil all the way to last boss and get lucky, than free *** in the mail

Besides, regardless of what class you're playing, you need to wipe for like 6-12 hours to learn and memorize every fricken' thing. It's horrible for sorcs to. As an average skilled player, you have to die over and over until muscle memory and auto pilot kicks in, so you start acting before thinking.

I really wish they just blow up vMA personally lol.

Troneon · January 2016

It's all designed to push players to buy crown store repair kits for "convenience"....

Cheap one shot mechanics is not "challenging content"...

The balance sucks in this game.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

lol you get an awesome for that comment.

I have yet to try vMA primarily because of the time requirement and the fact that you can't save your progression and come back to that point later. Finding a solid block of many hours that I can devote to that is something I haven't been able to do yet. I also need to learn the stage mechanics on normal mode better before I give it a go.

When I do try it, though, it will be on my magicka templar. I do have all legendary VR16 gear, with Molag Kena shoulders (I don't actually want the 2-piece bonus as getting it to proc would screw up my sustain), a ton of soul gems, and at the moment just over 400 CPs. I don't expect it to be easy. I don't expect that I'll be able to complete it on my first attempt. Maybe not on any attempt. I expect that it will be frustrating at times. I'm still looking forward to trying it.

You don't need gems just wayshrine who cares about a 30 second walk when you're learning

I've got a 4 full stacks of soul gems sitting in my bank (plus most of a stack on each of my characters), and I can be pretty lazy sometimes... I mean that walk takes a whole frickin 30 seconds! Ain't nobody got time for that! So I'll probably just use gems most of the time.

My first 5 runs averaged 100 deaths and 5 or more hours each without a clear. So I expect people to die alot as well that's why I I don't recommend gems. I now die 2 times or so and clear under 120

acw37162 · January 2016

My stamplar hates vMSA

A lot.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Oh I understand, I weren't expecting to clear it on my first attempts, trust me

I know I'm in for a long ride, well.. my first tries got me to stage 5 and then I wiped forever, now I'm wiping at stage 6 final round (I said 7 before, my bad.. just double-checked)

But yeah, as you guys said, it's all about memorizing the rounds, but damn... I honestly think my 18k health build is a bit crazy for one who is still learning the mechanics....

Molag_Crow · January 2016

And I would actually love to keep at it and try and progress every day, but... gotta restock! also, what kinda max health/magicka/spell damage/recovery did you guys roll with on your first clear? as a mag templar

socomred · January 2016

I'm on ps4 and I help alot of people with vma. Unfortunately the 2 most common problems people have are l2p or trying end game when they are not end game. Also when people seek builds for templars they are geared towards healing mostly. Unfortunately people on Xbox and pc can't seek help as easily as people playing on ps4 via remote play, or lazy people that don't wanna learn vma that buy there runs via remote play. All classes can do it relatively easy once they know what to expect I have done it with all classes stam and magika and dont struggle to badly even with the delay from streaming on remoteplay.

The set ups I use for all classes I use are like this.

Magika dk,NB,sorc:

5 julionus, 3 will power with spell damage, 2 monster sets peices(or 1 kena 1 torugs, or 2 torugs), and destro/ resto if using monster sets any staff will do I prefer precise trait if not using a 2 piece monster set I use torugs staves. For mundus stone I always use theif and all gear is divine.

Mag templar:

5 kags, 2 engine guardian, 3 will power, 2 torugs swords, any resto staff.
The reason I don't use juli is because sweeps can't crit so a crit build will leave your regen crap with out much benefit. I use atro or apprentice for mundus. I personally only use healing ward to heal cause blessing would eat mag to fast although I'm sure honor the dead would be just as good as ward/sweeps spam.

If any one on ps4 needs help learning it feel free to psn message me socomred or if you have no interest in doing vma and want weapons I'll do it through remote play for 100k. If any one wants to know my set ups for stam let me know.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

socomred wrote: »

I'm on ps4 and I help alot of people with vma. Unfortunately the 2 most common problems people have are l2p or trying end game when they are not end game. Also when people seek builds for templars they are geared towards healing mostly. Unfortunately people on Xbox and pc can't seek help as easily as people playing on ps4 via remote play, or lazy people that don't wanna learn vma that buy there runs via remote play. All classes can do it relatively easy once they know what to expect I have done it with all classes stam and magika and dont struggle to badly even with the delay from streaming on remoteplay.

The set ups I use for all classes I use are like this.

Magika dk,NB,sorc:

5 julionus, 3 will power with spell damage, 2 monster sets peices(or 1 kena 1 torugs, or 2 torugs), and destro/ resto if using monster sets any staff will do I prefer precise trait if not using a 2 piece monster set I use torugs staves. For mundus stone I always use theif and all gear is divine.

Mag templar:

5 kags, 2 engine guardian, 3 will power, 2 torugs swords, any resto staff.
The reason I don't use juli is because sweeps can't crit so a crit build will leave your regen crap with out much benefit. I use atro or apprentice for mundus. I personally only use healing ward to heal cause blessing would eat mag to fast although I'm sure honor the dead would be just as good as ward/sweeps spam.

If any one on ps4 needs help learning it feel free to psn message me socomred or if you have no interest in doing vma and want weapons I'll do it through remote play for 100k. If any one wants to know my set ups for stam let me know.

Sweeps can't crit? wut?

TotterTates · January 2016

socomred wrote: »

If any one on ps4 needs help learning it feel free to psn message me socomred or if you have no interest in doing vma and want weapons I'll do it through remote play for 100k. If any one wants to know my set ups for stam let me know.

This has got to be against ToS... unless I'm seriously misunderstanding want this "Remote Play" is...

socomred · January 2016

Remote play is a feature of the ps4 design so people can help there friends with games by watching them play or by handing the controller over remotely, I don't think it is against the tos since the developers have the option to block this feature or allow players to use it. Remote play doesn't work with any cod for example but with ESO its not blocked

socomred · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

socomred wrote: »

I'm on ps4 and I help alot of people with vma. Unfortunately the 2 most common problems people have are l2p or trying end game when they are not end game. Also when people seek builds for templars they are geared towards healing mostly. Unfortunately people on Xbox and pc can't seek help as easily as people playing on ps4 via remote play, or lazy people that don't wanna learn vma that buy there runs via remote play. All classes can do it relatively easy once they know what to expect I have done it with all classes stam and magika and dont struggle to badly even with the delay from streaming on remoteplay.

The set ups I use for all classes I use are like this.

Magika dk,NB,sorc:

5 julionus, 3 will power with spell damage, 2 monster sets peices(or 1 kena 1 torugs, or 2 torugs), and destro/ resto if using monster sets any staff will do I prefer precise trait if not using a 2 piece monster set I use torugs staves. For mundus stone I always use theif and all gear is divine.

Mag templar:

5 kags, 2 engine guardian, 3 will power, 2 torugs swords, any resto staff.
The reason I don't use juli is because sweeps can't crit so a crit build will leave your regen crap with out much benefit. I use atro or apprentice for mundus. I personally only use healing ward to heal cause blessing would eat mag to fast although I'm sure honor the dead would be just as good as ward/sweeps spam.

If any one on ps4 needs help learning it feel free to psn message me socomred or if you have no interest in doing vma and want weapons I'll do it through remote play for 100k. If any one wants to know my set ups for stam let me know.

Sweeps can't crit? wut?

At least on ps4 it is bugged not sure about Xbox or pc

UrQuan · January 2016

MrGigglypants wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'm not doing something wrong, I'm doing MANY THINGS WRONG after 6 hours my mind is ***.

lol you get an awesome for that comment.

I have yet to try vMA primarily because of the time requirement and the fact that you can't save your progression and come back to that point later. Finding a solid block of many hours that I can devote to that is something I haven't been able to do yet. I also need to learn the stage mechanics on normal mode better before I give it a go.

When I do try it, though, it will be on my magicka templar. I do have all legendary VR16 gear, with Molag Kena shoulders (I don't actually want the 2-piece bonus as getting it to proc would screw up my sustain), a ton of soul gems, and at the moment just over 400 CPs. I don't expect it to be easy. I don't expect that I'll be able to complete it on my first attempt. Maybe not on any attempt. I expect that it will be frustrating at times. I'm still looking forward to trying it.

You don't need gems just wayshrine who cares about a 30 second walk when you're learning

I've got a 4 full stacks of soul gems sitting in my bank (plus most of a stack on each of my characters), and I can be pretty lazy sometimes... I mean that walk takes a whole frickin 30 seconds! Ain't nobody got time for that! So I'll probably just use gems most of the time.

My first 5 runs averaged 100 deaths and 5 or more hours each without a clear. So I expect people to die alot as well that's why I I don't recommend gems. I now die 2 times or so and clear under 120

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the advice, and I'm sure it's the smart way to go. But I think you underestimate how lazy I can be lol