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Rapid Maneuver, Evil Hunter and Caltrops
RinaldoGandolphi
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Whats our chances of getting one of the morphs of Rapid Maneuver, Expert Hunter and Caltrops changed to a magic morph?
Stam users have gotten many good class skills changed to stam, all 3 of those skills above are very good skills and magic users simply can't really use them...they are too cost prohibitive. For me it don't really matter which morph you would choose to change, but i think magic users could really use one of these.
Caltrops is a huge AOE damage snare, Magic users have nothing to compare to this.
Rapid Maneuver having a magic morph would help magic Templars and Magic DK who have no mobility options.
just my thoughts
Whats our chances of getting one of the morphs of Rapid Maneuver, Expert Hunter and Caltrops changed to a magic morph?
Stam users have gotten many good class skills changed to stam, all 3 of those skills above are very good skills and magic users simply can't really use them...they are too cost prohibitive. For me it don't really matter which morph you would choose to change, but i think magic users could really use one of these.
Caltrops is a huge AOE damage snare, Magic users have nothing to compare to this.
Rapid Maneuver having a magic morph would help magic Templars and Magic DK who have no mobility options.
just my thoughts
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RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
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Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak
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✭+1 for rapid
-1 for the others we have prox det and mage light#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
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Peel_Ya_Cap_517✭✭✭✭You can still use Caltrops with great effect as a Magicka user
Just because you won't do MAXIMUM damage with something, doesn't mean its not usefulN64 NA EP3 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Caltrops + Unchained champion passive is amazing, and highly usable as a Magicka user. Something you can use every fight pretty much right off the bat.PC/NA
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Kutsmuffin - Temp
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »You can still use Caltrops with great effect as a Magicka user
Just because you won't do MAXIMUM damage with something, doesn't mean its not useful
He was mentioning cost. Caltrops is like 7k stamina, most magicka users hover around the 8 or 9k, that means either only caltrops or roll dodge/ cc break. You're not able to do both. He would want a magicka morph for cost, not damage0 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »You can still use Caltrops with great effect as a Magicka user
Just because you won't do MAXIMUM damage with something, doesn't mean its not useful
He was mentioning cost. Caltrops is like 7k stamina, most magicka users hover around the 8 or 9k, that means either only caltrops or roll dodge/ cc break. You're not able to do both. He would want a magicka morph for cost, not damage
Yup
Its more about cost and the snare in a large area....not so much about the damage concerning Caltrops. I also think opening up a morph of Caltrops for magic users opens up some options as well.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
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Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak0 -
Peel_Ya_Cap_517✭✭✭✭Ah, ok... Understood
Yes, it is expensive for a magicka user.. don't attempt sprinting before trying to use Caltrops lolN64 NA EP0 -
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✭You mean like an Ice shard field morph kind of thing ?
Elemental magic rather than physical weapon ?Edited by Rune_Relic on 15 December 2015 20:58Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
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✭✭I know plenty of magicka player's who use rapid's. You just need the stamina recovery to make it work.PS4 NA DC0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I know plenty of magicka player's who use rapid's. You just need the stamina recovery to make it work.
The argument is that a magic build should not have to waste 80% of stamina for an escape when vampires, stamina builds, NB/sorc's all have viable options. If DK's and templars are stuck in a world where "in your face" gameplay is no longer viable, then an option for escape must be present for these classes (without huge sacrifices.).
Not a "nerf" thread either. Just proposing an option.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I know plenty of magicka player's who use rapid's. You just need the stamina recovery to make it work.
The argument is that a magic build should not have to waste 80% of stamina for an escape when vampires, stamina builds, NB/sorc's all have viable options. If DK's and templars are stuck in a world where "in your face" gameplay is no longer viable, then an option for escape must be present for these classes (without huge sacrifices.).
Not a "nerf" thread either. Just proposing an option.
Sure lets give magicka caltraps + retreat morphs, but then i want a magicka det stamina morph.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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ostrapz✭✭✭As a stam user, caltrops is stam and prox is magicka. that should stay. Evil hunter would be find wit magicka morph. I think if rapid was magicka stam users would benefit more though tbh. 30k stam for pure sprint means a stam user would be able to sprint damn near an entire keeps lengthXbox 1 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I know plenty of magicka player's who use rapid's. You just need the stamina recovery to make it work.
The argument is that a magic build should not have to waste 80% of stamina for an escape when vampires, stamina builds, NB/sorc's all have viable options. If DK's and templars are stuck in a world where "in your face" gameplay is no longer viable, then an option for escape must be present for these classes (without huge sacrifices.).
Not a "nerf" thread either. Just proposing an option.
Sure lets give magicka caltraps + retreat morphs, but then i want a magicka det stamina morph.
You do, steel tornado.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭As a stam user, caltrops is stam and prox is magicka. that should stay. Evil hunter would be find wit magicka morph. I think if rapid was magicka stam users would benefit more though tbh. 30k stam for pure sprint means a stam user would be able to sprint damn near an entire keeps length
They might. Depends on how the skill gets designed. Should the stamina version receive the immunity to snares and magicka an increase to health regen? I think it's open ended to how you want each morph to perform fairly.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I know plenty of magicka player's who use rapid's. You just need the stamina recovery to make it work.
The argument is that a magic build should not have to waste 80% of stamina for an escape when vampires, stamina builds, NB/sorc's all have viable options. If DK's and templars are stuck in a world where "in your face" gameplay is no longer viable, then an option for escape must be present for these classes (without huge sacrifices.).
Not a "nerf" thread either. Just proposing an option.
Sure lets give magicka caltraps + retreat morphs, but then i want a magicka det stamina morph.
You do, steel tornado.
Lets not compare steel tornado to mag det xDPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭As far as im concerned, they really should like switch up some of the alliance and support. Suuport is like all magic based but also extremely worthless except maybe purge and barrier. Those aren't even used for most builds. Then the other you have Magicka det, Vigor, Caltrops, plus the sometimes useable war horn.
Clearly one sided to the stam line...
And yes I would LOVE a magicka version of caltrops... could even remove the damage part and id use it... take that Nbs! 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »As far as im concerned, they really should like switch up some of the alliance and support. Suuport is like all magic based but also extremely worthless except maybe purge and barrier. Those aren't even used for most builds. Then the other you have Magicka det, Vigor, Caltrops, plus the sometimes useable war horn.
Clearly one sided to the stam line...
And yes I would LOVE a magicka version of caltrops... could even remove the damage part and id use it... take that Nbs!
revealing flare + magicka det xD
Catraps + Vigor
I'd prefer magicka det over everything to be honest it's so strong.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »As far as im concerned, they really should like switch up some of the alliance and support. Suuport is like all magic based but also extremely worthless except maybe purge and barrier. Those aren't even used for most builds. Then the other you have Magicka det, Vigor, Caltrops, plus the sometimes useable war horn.
Clearly one sided to the stam line...
And yes I would LOVE a magicka version of caltrops... could even remove the damage part and id use it... take that Nbs!
Despite one sided, vigor is still needed.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭I'm game to give these to you magicka users. However I would like the following in return
Stam Purge
Stam Proxy Det
Now those would be fun Here since Beta.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm game to give these to you magicka users. However I would like the following in return
Stam Purge
Stam Proxy Det
Now those would be fun
WB--->Take flight---->Prox Det.
Good fight.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭Sureee!
In return I would like a stamina healing ward/conjured ward, a stamina Bol, a stamina whip etc etc.
Come on 90% of morphs for class skills are in the magicka line. Stamina sucks in pve simply because of no sustain. Mystic orb, spell power cure, elemental drain, shields etc etc. Stamina only has shards (if u bring a Templar healer). When was the last time u ever saw a farm run for icp or wgt bring a stamina dps. It's all magicka sorcs/dks pulling their godly 30k+ dps with over load etc etc.
The only good thing about stamina is pvp duels and stealth ganking burst. Also the cp tree is such that it's harder to mitigate stamina damage. That's the only reason I have a dk and am not using my sorc full time. My sorc just does everything better. Large scale pvp, pve dps and she can also heal! My dk sadly only goes to duels and sometimes me and 2 nb friends camp in ic to kill poor pve noobs.(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭If fighters guild skills get magicka morphs should mages guild skill will get stamina morphs? Thought not.
Also alliance war skills could all have a stamina and magicka morph but would that make any sense? No.
However if the mages guild had an ice caltrops skill, or an anti undead skill added I wouldn't complain :-).0 -
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✭1). I don't understand the, "that ability uses X resource and I only use Y resource, therefore ZOS should give me a Y resource morph of said ability," mentality.
2). What if we were okay with build diversity? What if we were okay with a difference between Magicka and Stamina?
3). Giving every strong ability a morph from each resource removes depth and choice from the game. It takes cool options in skill variation away and boils it down to two abilities that are identical. One using Stam one use Magicka. How boring.
4). "For me it don't really matter which morph you would choose to change..." Well of course it doesn't... Stamina users don't have access to the powerful abilities that Magicka users have. Would you prefer ZOS takes away your prefered morphs so Stam users can Prox Det in a more "cost effective" way?
5). I like the separation between Fighter's/Mage's Skill lines and Assault/Support.0
