Explain this please.

Tankqull · December 2015

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Can someone explain how a lvl 31 can kill a veteran rank 10 in PVP by themselves when the VR10 is fighting back I mean the VR 10 is 30 lvls above them 30! Oh forgot to mention the 31's are mages so is it mages being overpowered or just a handful of cheats? I mean ok fair enough a 31 Mage being able to kill a 41 but a VR 10, sorry but no it shouldn't be possible unless the VR 10 hasn't fought back until they're at something like half health.

so becasue of being craptastic you demand other players being demoted from equal standing to uselessness to suit your ego... great...

No I demand it to suit the whole point of the ranking system. There's no point in rankings since everyone gets levelled to the same thing in PVP.

lving matters because of skill options - with lvl 30 you do not have the last (lvl39-42) and the 4th skill (lvl 33-37) not mentioning the passives wich are not acessable. so beaten by a lvl 31 char when being v10 means just one thing you are a horrible player who has to invest a significant amount of time into getting better. nothing else.

Jitterbug · December 2015

IMO it effectively have removed the necessity to look at another player's level before attacking. Just assume everyone is dangerous.

Shadow_Akula · December 2015

pitkanencomplexeb17_ESO wrote: »

Lol button. Where do you play, because you seem like easy alliance points?

Lol report button, trolls get reported in my threads

Also could a mod lock this thread now, 20 people don't need to say the exact same thing that got answered in the first few posts.

Tryionn66 · December 2015

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Also struggling to see how a cowardly Mage can beat a warrior just because they can shoot a floating crystal at you and fire flames from a stick.

This is my favorite line in this thread.

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Skinzz · December 2015

I was level 18 and slaughered a vet 9. But i was running set armor and enchants.

kadar · December 2015

OP, other said it, some rudely, others respectfully. In this game a players technique, experience (CP), build, and strategy among other things far outweigh a players level. Everyone has been killed by someone at a lower level than them at some point or another, if they are honest.

You mention Crystal Frag and your opponent was a mage. In your next encounter, focus on trying to avoid CFrag (dodge, block, reflective scales if your a DK). Much of a Sorcs burst damage is centered around landing CFrag on you for full damage.

Soris · December 2015

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Can someone explain how a lvl 31 can kill a veteran rank 10 in PVP by themselves when the VR10 is fighting back I mean the VR 10 is 30 lvls above them 30! Oh forgot to mention the 31's are mages so is it mages being overpowered or just a handful of cheats? I mean ok fair enough a 31 Mage being able to kill a 41 but a VR 10, sorry but no it shouldn't be possible unless the VR 10 hasn't fought back until they're at something like half health.

uh.. my level 30 dk has better stats than my v6 dk in same sets.

Shadow_Akula · December 2015

Tryionn66 wrote: »

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Also struggling to see how a cowardly Mage can beat a warrior just because they can shoot a floating crystal at you and fire flames from a stick.

This is my favorite line in this thread.
What server do you play on and what faction. I need to get my alliance rank up.

My favourite thing in this thread is reporting trolls

Shadow_Akula · December 2015

To the trolls - I've reported you guys.
It's the Internet and you guys think that just because such a thing as internet trolls exist that every site needs one. Sorry but do something useful with your trolling like what Anonymous have done.

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Crown · December 2015

A good player on a level 30 can take out VR16s who are bad players. I find level 30 is about the time I've gotten enough experience on a new toon that I'll have the skills and morphs that I need to play well enough.

Roll a templar, get jabs, come to PvP at level 20, and just charge then jabs spam opponents. You'll probably kill about half of them.

Soris · December 2015

^only if your charge doesn't get stuck

Toast_STS · December 2015

I'm happy with battle leveling. If I make a new character I can now successfully pvp with guildies on vet campaigns without having to grind vet rank for weeks before my character becomes viable.

josh.lackey_ESO · December 2015

It always tickles me how people who purport they should be better at the game want to have a mechanical advantage over people who are supposedly not as good at the game. Every PvP game, it's always the same story. The "more skilled" players end up being rewarded with better gear, abilities, and buffs, thereby putting the baseline characters at a disadvantage.

I use to love Blackwater for the simple fact everyone had the exact same stats. Gear and level didn't matter much. It all came down to you. Now, well, it's all about gear gear gear. Whoever can buy the best gear every 2 levels will wreck everyone else. (Or if they just spam wrecking blow. cough)

So the bonus perk of being v16 is, at a minimum, you can use endgame gear that you plan to keep using indefinitely. Therefore, it's worth the cost of getting the best sets, upgrading to legendary, etc. So you should have better gear stats (even with scaling) than a lowbie. The second thing would be your alliance war skills and your champion points. Probably also your guild skill lines.

I guess I am saying, even vs a lowbie, you should still have a serious mechanical/stat advantage over a lowbie: extra damage, mitigation, cost reduction, increased healing, etc. etc. If you haven't optimized your character, then that's on you, not ZOS. I think the current systems reward the veteran characters more than they should. I'd prefer to see everyone in PvP with identical stats with access to all the same abilities -- making it all boil down to who is actually better at the game. Not who can grind more hours or afford legendary tempers, tannins, and resins. I hope arena PvP has a "tournament mode" that allows us to have completely even stats, or maybe the upcoming non-CP campaigns will go back to the old Blackwater normalized stats.

Curragraigue · December 2015

AkulA1996 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

Yea don't underestimate low levels in this game. Just because you are a higher level doesn't mean you are a better player... it doesn't even mean you have better stats in many cases due to Battle Leveling

Nobody said it means your a better player. But with the skill points, Champion points and points you can spend on health magica and stamina it should weigh in favour of the veteran rank

Why do you assume the Non-Vet is not an alt? They could have cap CPs on that level 31

davey1107 · December 2015

In my opinion, the current battle leveling is WAY overpowered. I get that they don't want a V16 to one-shot every lvl 30 you encounter, but there should be some significant hurdles to a 30 fighting a high vet.

Really the worst thing about battle leveling is that it (further) encourages the *** zerging. I swear to god...if I have to watch 40 blues fight 40 yellows head on over Nickle again...

The developers should really think about some new play mechanics that discourage zerging, including reducing the battle level. If lower level players can't make it in a Zerg swarm, maybe they'll get up on the keep walls where they GD belong, lol.

zornyan · December 2015

davey1107 wrote: »

In my opinion, the current battle leveling is WAY overpowered. I get that they don't want a V16 to one-shot every lvl 30 you encounter, but there should be some significant hurdles to a 30 fighting a high vet.

Really the worst thing about battle leveling is that it (further) encourages the *** zerging. I swear to god...if I have to watch 40 blues fight 40 yellows head on over Nickle again...

The developers should really think about some new play mechanics that discourage zerging, including reducing the battle level. If lower level players can't make it in a Zerg swarm, maybe they'll get up on the keep walls where they GD belong, lol.

This is the best battle leveling has ever been, before you were just a punching bag to any higher level vets, it was discouraging to player.

You still have a significant advantage being vet 16

Examples

Vet 16 5/1/1 light armor templar
40k magicka
25k HP
16k stamina
31k spell resist 17k physical resist
3450 spell power
Dual nirnhoned swords for 18% spell penetration
50% crit rate
Light armor spell pen bonus
16% light armor cost reduction
25% light armor recovery bonus
Undaunted passives
All skill lines leveled up, with every skill available for every situation
Two weapon bars

Now take a battle leveled, level 30 player.

32k magicka
22k hp
10k Stamina
15kish both resist buffed
1800 spell power
No nirnhoned (anyone would be stupid to waste that on a level 30)
No spell pen armor bonuses
No undaunted
Missing 30% of passives
Missing multiple essential skills

Vr16 have a huge advantage still.

americansteel · December 2015

champion points.

KundaliniHero · December 2015

Tryionn66 wrote: »

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Also struggling to see how a cowardly Mage can beat a warrior just because they can shoot a floating crystal at you and fire flames from a stick.

This is my favorite line in this thread.

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Tryionn66 is a master at baiting

KenaPKK · December 2015

/popcorn

Lexxypwns · December 2015

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Sorry but a VR 16 can't one shot a VR 1 if the non vets want to join a Vet server it serves em right to get one shotted by a veteran rank - there's a reason the Non-Veteran server exists.
Also struggling to see how a cowardly Mage can beat a warrior just because they can shoot a floating crystal at you and fire flames from a stick.

false, a v16 can "one shot" other v16s if he's built for it, please l2p then come back and read the vapid garbage you're posting

TiberX · December 2015

This topic is actually about nerfing noobs? OMG

I was never killed by a low level in single combat and i gathered 15 mil ish AP altogether and im not even a very good player, im just decent.
On the other hand a low level is not necessarily less experienced as u, it might be hes 4th char, other 3 VR 16 with a lot of PVP experience (as it is my case

) an belive me i WILL put up a fight.

Battle leveling is excellent as it is! At this chapter GREAT JOB @ZOS!

Heindrich · December 2015

OP probably went to Cyrodil with crap gear and inefficient build (he is VR10, so likely his first character) and no understanding of his class and enemy classes... gets owned by VR16s all the time and assumed it was just because they were higher level than him. Finally thought he found a victim when he saw a lv31... except the lv31 was probably a veteran at or near CP cap with an alt and decent gear... and most importantly, knew what he was doing...

Instead of reflecting on why he lost, he decides to rage on forum because he feels entitled to being able to beat a lv31 cos he is higher level.

tl:dr: L2P issue.

I have never struggled vs a low level player. At best a very good lowbie can fight me to a standstill (or cloak away in the case of a NB) because battle-leveling gives him loads of hp, but the vast majority of lowbies are also noobies and functional as little more than cannon fodder in the maelstorm of war.

Shadow_Akula · December 2015

Lexxypwns wrote: »

AkulA1996 wrote: »

Sorry but a VR 16 can't one shot a VR 1 if the non vets want to join a Vet server it serves em right to get one shotted by a veteran rank - there's a reason the Non-Veteran server exists.
Also struggling to see how a cowardly Mage can beat a warrior just because they can shoot a floating crystal at you and fire flames from a stick.

false, a v16 can "one shot" other v16s if he's built for it, please l2p then come back and read the vapid garbage you're posting

reported again - ya know there's a way to explain this stuff to people without insulting them

Shadow_Akula · December 2015

Same with you Heindrich - there a way to get your point out there without being a [SNIP]

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