40k dps on MAGIKA TEMPLAR

failkiwib16_ESO · November 2015

Anzriel wrote: »

lmfao

I tried to warn you mate. You can post templar dps and it'd still turn into a nerf sorcs thread. Thank you forums.

This is so sad and so true

@Meshal You did a good job on your templar, and most of those who appreciate that does not write on the forums, mainly because of all the negativity here.

Tankqull · November 2015

to cite Christan Morgenstern:
"For that wich must not, cannot be."

as the devolpment of this thread is a prime example for it...

willymchilybily · November 2015

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

usmcjdking · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

Dude, you've lost it.

He's caps out at 36k before there are even any adds. Hit hits 40k with the assistance of mobs standing in shards and jabbies. Compared to his sorc who was doing comparatively badly until he hit the I win button. They dropped one of the harder bosses in the game that has completely gutted teams before he could even use his AOE. While I think that it's more of a showcase of the sad state of the game, it speaks pretty well that AS OF RIGHT NOW, magicka Templars and Sorcs have competitive levels of damage output.

Usara · November 2015

tangy.citrus wrote: »

Its a 20 second parse, there are adds standing on your meteor and in the way of your sweeps. Any half good player can get the same thing with the same team support. At one point, i even seen +6 from your sweeps in the video.

Get a 40k on a crematorial guard in vwgt with no adds, and then you can tell us how great you are and it will be a little more legit then.

In reality, you probably pulled 25-30k single target there. Which is nothing greatly impressive in a 20 second parse with warhorn, and all the correct buffs and debuffs.

Exactly this. I didn't even watch the video when I saw which boss the OP was talking about.

This proves nothing, ot at least, that yes, magicka templars are good in AoE, but are terrible in single target. The fact that the OP chose a boss with a multitude of adds is a veiled confirmation of this truth.

Nifty2g · November 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

Dude, you've lost it.

He's caps out at 36k before there are even any adds. Hit hits 40k with the assistance of mobs standing in shards and jabbies. Compared to his sorc who was doing comparatively badly until he hit the I win button. They dropped one of the harder bosses in the game that has completely gutted teams before he could even use his AOE. While I think that it's more of a showcase of the sad state of the game, it speaks pretty well that AS OF RIGHT NOW, magicka Templars and Sorcs have competitive levels of damage output.

Lol
this is not something you do to show how a templar is on competitive levels as other classes, not at all. This is a 10 second video against a dungeon boss, dungeon bosses aren't exactly the best damage tests around, try something like trials. Really this doesn't showcase anything.

You have to understand the difference between a burst fight vs a long fight, capping out at 36k does not mean your single target is 36k

Templars are really not on a competitive level either, in terms of how other classes are it's a little unbalanced and needs adjusting skill wise. Right now it's just buffing your sweep and burning light as much as you can.

If anything post a proper boss fight not a dungeon boss.

usmcjdking · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

Dude, you've lost it.

He's caps out at 36k before there are even any adds. Hit hits 40k with the assistance of mobs standing in shards and jabbies. Compared to his sorc who was doing comparatively badly until he hit the I win button. They dropped one of the harder bosses in the game that has completely gutted teams before he could even use his AOE. While I think that it's more of a showcase of the sad state of the game, it speaks pretty well that AS OF RIGHT NOW, magicka Templars and Sorcs have competitive levels of damage output.

Lol
this is not something you do to show how a templar is on competitive levels as other classes, not at all. This is a 10 second video against a dungeon boss, dungeon bosses aren't exactly the best damage tests around, try something like trials. Really this doesn't showcase anything.

You have to understand the difference between a burst fight vs a long fight, capping out at 36k does not mean your single target is 36k

Templars are really not on a competitive level either, in terms of how other classes are it's a little unbalanced and needs adjusting skill wise. Right now it's just buffing your sweep and burning light as much as you can.

If anything post a proper boss fight not a dungeon boss.

You are invalidating a test that has the exact some controls, because those controls do not meet your requirements for testing purposes.

Okay.

Nifty2g · November 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

Dude, you've lost it.

He's caps out at 36k before there are even any adds. Hit hits 40k with the assistance of mobs standing in shards and jabbies. Compared to his sorc who was doing comparatively badly until he hit the I win button. They dropped one of the harder bosses in the game that has completely gutted teams before he could even use his AOE. While I think that it's more of a showcase of the sad state of the game, it speaks pretty well that AS OF RIGHT NOW, magicka Templars and Sorcs have competitive levels of damage output.

Lol
this is not something you do to show how a templar is on competitive levels as other classes, not at all. This is a 10 second video against a dungeon boss, dungeon bosses aren't exactly the best damage tests around, try something like trials. Really this doesn't showcase anything.

You have to understand the difference between a burst fight vs a long fight, capping out at 36k does not mean your single target is 36k

Templars are really not on a competitive level either, in terms of how other classes are it's a little unbalanced and needs adjusting skill wise. Right now it's just buffing your sweep and burning light as much as you can.

If anything post a proper boss fight not a dungeon boss.

You are invalidating a test that has the exact some controls, because those controls do not meet your requirements for testing purposes.

Okay.

please stop posting

Meshal · November 2015

wow, what a sad state this thread has turned into, completely rant comments. i can't believe it even turned into criticizing my build lol. THE BUILD IS OK but not great and can be OPTIMIZED MORE to get higher dps, i even said that before but I guess they missed it.

I'm actually going to leave this thread AGAIN for you guys to ruin it more. before I do that though, i'll link the comment that annoyed me the most:

Justice31st wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

Hello,

first of all I would like to thank Prothy, Region, and Killerbunny for their help. awesome players and great people.

second,

I made a post a couple of days ago, showing 46k dps on my sorc character, and most of the comments were rants, asking for sorc's nerf, or templar buff. I've been saying templar class is great, and is one of the best dps in the game, it's just an issue of players not knowing how to play the class. and also said that templar class has been buffed so many times but they were denying that.

here are some of those comments:

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Troneon wrote: »

Sorc OP, nerf Sorc, nerf Overload!!1!!!!!1111111!!

and a LOT more, you can check the thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232342/46k-dps/p1

and what really irritated me the most was this comment:

Zinaroth wrote: »

Templars aren't, and never were, the best DPS in the game. They have always been dead last. Overall Templars have been nerfed a bit since the release of the game when you measure them against the other classes. Overall Sorcs have been buffed to the point of absurdity because of the outrage from the sorc community pre 1.6 aka the CP patch. After this patch NB and Sorcs arose from the ashes and have pretty much been OP since then in respective parts of the game. I with Templars had the same amount of people on the forums but they all rerolled very early in the game.

You, the OP, claiming that Templars have ever been the best DPS in this game and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, is either a testiment to how you haven't played the game for very long, or lack basic knowledge when it comes to PvE class balance.

Regards, top tier raider from Hodor EU.

because this guy clearly doesnt know what he's talking about, and im not that kind of a person to get into an endless discussion, so I decided to respec my healer templar to dps to prove that templar class isnt bad but GREAT.

now keep in mind, that im not a good templar player, I only play my templar as healer, and never played as dps with templar, but I decided to give it a try. created the sets I needed, and thought of the skills I should use, with few optimization with what I had in mind I did 40k dps with my MAGIKA TEMPLAR, and im sure more experienced and better players would even get better dps because I missed so much on my rotation. and that was the result of only 2 days of testing, optimization, and training on my part.

here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd4VvQ6v5YM

keep in mind I would never reach this kind of dps without the group im running with! they're just great players.

regards,

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

So you did 40K with templar and 46K with sorc. And you are saying it is roughly the same so templar is as OP as sorc ok ? But it's a flawed logic because there is a guy who did 54K DPS as sorc.

It's a 14K diff from your templar DPS and 8K diff from your sorc DPS. And this is quite a difference imo. You said you weren't a good templar player, and that maybe it could be possible to make better DPS on this boss...but without seeing a 'good' templar DPS on this boss and the difference between these results and sorc DPS, HOW IN HELL CAN YOU SAY IF TEMPLAR IS GREAT OR NOT ?

So lets throw a bomb, get group buffs (such as the spell power cure proc) and fight stationary and then say Magicka Templars dps is comparable to sorcerers How was that magicka sustain buddy? It was a good thing your video was only a couple seconds. Lol...

Justice31st wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

I Highlander l wrote: »

You threw a bomb on some slaves at the start, how does that translate in to a Templar dps thread?

Exactly.
He is doing AOE dps with all/most possible buffs and quotes it as a 40k magicka templar dps.

^This. The OP is obviously a troll... Testing a classes dps and then making a comment such as they are balanced should only be proven while solo and unbuffed lol...

now This is what he was saying in the sorc thread, such a different tone from the same person!! :

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Justice31st wrote: »

*cough* *Sorcerer Maelstrom Arena leader boards* *cough*

and THIS

Justice31st wrote: »

Lol, would of gave your posted video an awesome tag if it was done on a magicka Templar and not an magicka Sorcerer. Why brag about doing something on the most OP PvE class.

regards,

usmcjdking · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either

No, this tread is just a bad generalization, this isn't what a templar can do, this is burst with someone throwing full buffs on you, not only that this is AoE. This does not mean anything other than here look at my AoE burst damage 40k. And now everyone is asking for builds and rotations lol.
There is no rotation in a 10 second parse

willymchilybily wrote: »

i didnt watch either video but correct me if im wrong.

OP wrote:

46k DPS Yay.

replies wrote:

yeah from sorc, nerf sorc, why cant my templar do this! buff templar

OP wrote:

40k DPS on templar i never dps with, looks on par with sorc to me.

replies wrote:

yeah but you did a short pass in the middle of AOE with all the buffs, this isnt good dps

my question..... Isnt this EXACTLY what he did to get his sorcs high dps, get fully buffed from group working together well and do the parse around overload ultimate. in this case he uses meteor did i read?
This is not a sustained DPS he regularly pulls on either class, its a comparison to show the haters from the previous thread its possible on both classes.

anyway @Meshal thank you for the videos ill watch when i get a chance. Sorry you wont hear much more praise or thanks for sharing this with the community.

It's a 10 second video. It's not a comparison of anything

Dude, you've lost it.

He's caps out at 36k before there are even any adds. Hit hits 40k with the assistance of mobs standing in shards and jabbies. Compared to his sorc who was doing comparatively badly until he hit the I win button. They dropped one of the harder bosses in the game that has completely gutted teams before he could even use his AOE. While I think that it's more of a showcase of the sad state of the game, it speaks pretty well that AS OF RIGHT NOW, magicka Templars and Sorcs have competitive levels of damage output.

Lol
this is not something you do to show how a templar is on competitive levels as other classes, not at all. This is a 10 second video against a dungeon boss, dungeon bosses aren't exactly the best damage tests around, try something like trials. Really this doesn't showcase anything.

You have to understand the difference between a burst fight vs a long fight, capping out at 36k does not mean your single target is 36k

Templars are really not on a competitive level either, in terms of how other classes are it's a little unbalanced and needs adjusting skill wise. Right now it's just buffing your sweep and burning light as much as you can.

If anything post a proper boss fight not a dungeon boss.

You are invalidating a test that has the exact some controls, because those controls do not meet your requirements for testing purposes.

Okay.

please stop posting

Yeah. No.

Uriel_Nocturne · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Guys should probably stop asking for a build and tips over a 10 second fight

Or I could still ask for a build and tips because it's my game and doesn't affect how you play one single bit.

Jesus, the elitism in this thread...

Xjcon · November 2015

Over the top basement dweller comments in this thread.

How many of you haters posted your burst dps parses in /g just because the numbers are high?

Does that parse make some of your Epeens small or something? Need to compensate for it by being trolls in someone's thread?

Most people are aware of the High res Manti burn parse. It takes 12 great players to show off the best dps for that fight.

Fissh · November 2015

Why would you expect a good reception to this thread? A dps thread right?
If you make a dps thread, some things to consider:
Your build
A boss fight worth evaluating and comparing too.
Longer than 10 sec
STRONG EVIDENCE or your thread will be trolled.

What we have here is a thread with enough variables to fill an algebra book. And then we have you hating on people who want more defined variables and people hating on you about defined variables. Sounds like a cluster frack from the start.

If you have anything to prove, I would suggest proving it with emperical evidence.

Or suffer trolls, elitism, and justified flaws being pointed out.

Anzriel · November 2015

Okay. So let's just sum up some of the comments in this thread.

Sorc with overload does insanely high dps.

Sorc without overload falls off considerably.

Templar dps isn't "bad", but it is not competitive with the correct builds of other classes in situations that actually matter.

usmcjdking likes posting gifs of random things to troll Nifty.

Why don't we post ideas to fix these issues rather than being salty? We can't guarantee ZOS will listen to ANY of it, but hey it's gotta be more constructive and useful than this thread up to this point. Except for me. I've been adorable.

Darkstorne · November 2015

Can I go against the grain here and say I thought this was an interesting post? Preferably without being burned at the stake?

Thanks @Meshal I've been thinking about playing a Templar character as an alt, so good to know their DPS still has the potential to be pretty great

Bogdan_Kobzar · November 2015

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

So much hostility towards the OP...

I just want a good build written out with Skill morphs and good equipment sets to use. My Dual Wield Magicka Templar needs help, and the hostility accomplishes nothing.

Also; no, I will not join someone's channel to watch them play any class. That helps none as I need a list to reference when I'm changing stuff around on my character, and why would I ever want to skip playing to watch someone else play? I also will not pay an exorbitant fee for some of these "guides". Those are all just highway robbery.

OMG!!! I sooooo much agree.
I feel I have no need to empower someone's NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) by following or donating to their <insert-one> streaming channel.

Lexxypwns · November 2015

@nifty2g when you gonna carry me through Vwgt so I can get dat kena head bro?