Does The ESO Community Want Small Scale PVP?

navyspeed · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

In the Arena District of IC just add another Arena for those instances that allow for challenges of other people and a ranking system that shows the champion(s) for the arena for each pact.

Imagine that you get to the new arena area and everyone is immune to attacks and allow for all factions to communicate via area chat. This area is where challenges would be made and groups would be formed by going to the arena master. The arena master would check you into the fight log and allow anyone to challenge you either in your pact or others. If someone wanted to challenge you or your group they would do so by going to the arena master and finding your name and issuing a challenge which would display a notification just like you would get to queue into CY. The immune area would overlook the arenas which would house the 1v1s, 2v2s, 3v3s, 4v4s and so on. This would allow for everyone to watch epic battles between the PvPers and enjoy a great show.

The ranking system would allow for people to show their skills and crown someone champion of their pact. The ranking system would be affected by the level of the other person you beat and where on the ladder they ranked. A top 10 player in their own pact could challenge the champion and try to take away crown via a fight or could do so by having more points from their own wins.

I think this would be a cool mechanic that would allow people to test builds and have fun gaining bragging rights. You could incorporate un-ranked matches, achievements and add different types of matches such as un-buffed matches, no champion point fights and no potions matches for the un-ranked fights.

This is just a quick thought on what could be done to add in small scale pvp.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh look yet another thread for like the 100th time about arenas.

Post up all 100 and I'll include them =3, tried to tag some of the larger discussions arenas previously had, notice the small reply count compared to PVE topics? We don't seem to support it as a whole, just as a fleeting idea.

Oh don't get me wrong .... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165653/request-for-a-arena/p1 ......

ESO sorely needs a arena alright. Just #Wheebler just doesn't want one.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

It is no secret the PvP community wants small-scale PvP of any sort. This was demonstrated when they decided to spam "PvP Arena" in the twitch chat during the Live before this last one...

Frankly there is nothing wrong with wanting it but the constant threads about them just make some people, like myself, go *sigh*, here we go again...

At the very least you decided to simply discuss small-scale PvP in general OP rather than demand it and seek backing for it so props for that!

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

Please

HeroOfNone · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh look yet another thread for like the 100th time about arenas.

Post up all 100 and I'll include them =3, tried to tag some of the larger discussions arenas previously had, notice the small reply count compared to PVE topics? We don't seem to support it as a whole, just as a fleeting idea.

Oh don't get me wrong .... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165653/request-for-a-arena/p1 ......

ESO sorely needs a arena alright. Just #Wheebler just doesn't want one.

That's why I linked it under the spoilers already...

Compare this to some minor housing threads (can't find the major one ATM)

Player Housing vs Guild Cities
Player Housing 2 years? It better be damn good ! ! !
Player Housing - Yay or Nay

These have several 170+ replies and the votes are 300+, and the voting is a good 200+ FOR it. Sadly this topic will probably be buried without enough hype, but hopefully it serves an example that ZOS is listening, they are just they listening to the majority that post.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh look yet another thread for like the 100th time about arenas.

Post up all 100 and I'll include them =3, tried to tag some of the larger discussions arenas previously had, notice the small reply count compared to PVE topics? We don't seem to support it as a whole, just as a fleeting idea.

Oh don't get me wrong .... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165653/request-for-a-arena/p1 ......

ESO sorely needs a arena alright. Just #Wheebler just doesn't want one.

That's why I linked it under the spoilers already...

Compare this to some minor housing threads (can't find the major one ATM)

Player Housing vs Guild Cities
Player Housing 2 years? It better be damn good ! ! !
Player Housing - Yay or Nay

These have several 170+ replies and the votes are 300+, and the voting is a good 200+ FOR it. Sadly this topic will probably be buried without enough hype, but hopefully it serves an example that ZOS is listening, they are just they listening to the majority that post.

Zenimax is always listening. Even now they are listening to the birds chirping, the bees buzzing, and the fact that one of them is probably spying on another of them while they're in the shower. Oh wait I was supposed to keep that a secret... Whoops

k2blader · October 2015

Neither, leave it as open world PVP only

This option makes no sense to me. There isn't open world PvP.

ItsGlaive · October 2015

Other (please reply)

I'd prefer to see actual open world PVP, in all vet zones... but that's just my pipedream

JMadFour · October 2015

Neither, leave it as open world PVP only

If there were Team Deathmatch added, I'd likely never partake.

I'm here for the Sieges. I'm not here for Mortal Kombat or Lobby Shooter bunny-hop-around-a-tiny-map pvp. I can go play Mortal Kombat, or any random lobby shooter for that.

AFrostWolf · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

Small scale PvP is nice. It's different from the Large Scale war. A large scale war like Cyrodil is fun when it's balanced. It's clear that champion points, Mechanincs, ect are making it unbalanced and broken. So as of right now Cyrodil isn't fun.

A large 300v300v300 fight is amazing but it doesn't seem like ZOS servers can handle that. What seems to always happen though is you get 100v20 and that doesn't make the game fun.

Jitterbug · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

Small scale is already in the game in the form of the IC districts. Obviously it's not working as intended, but it has been implemented. Just saying to those who feel that ESO should never have anything of the sort.

shugg · October 2015

Neither, leave it as open world PVP only

Arena i would have to say no due to balance of classes and no duel spec, tanks wouldnt be competitive due to cp allocation. Classes will just end up x beats x combo like wow wich means ur playing to bear combos not playing the class you want. Now small scale BGs i think was what eso was trying to do with IC but they need to add pvp objectives in there or a reason to do it now rather than just release.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Small scale PvP is nice. It's different from the Large Scale war. A large scale war like Cyrodil is fun when it's balanced. It's clear that champion points, Mechanincs, ect are making it unbalanced and broken. So as of right now Cyrodil isn't fun.

A large 300v300v300 fight is amazing but it doesn't seem like ZOS servers can handle that. What seems to always happen though is you get 100v20 and that doesn't make the game fun.

Well an opinion is an opinion but frankly I enjoy Cyrodiil regardless.

Aerieth · October 2015

Other (please reply)

I want small scale PvP, but when I say that, I mean structured Small Scale PvP, sportsmanlike player versus player battles. Even though I love PvP, I hardly visit Cyrodiil because it isn't how I enjoy PvP. I don't want to be running around for 30 minutes looking for a fight that might or might not be even, when I could just queue for the kind of PvP action I want and get ported straight into action.

Dueling:
- 1v1
Ability to duel your friends and guild mates where ever you want, when ever you want. Outside of towns of course. It's good practice and great fun!

Arenas:
- 2v2, 3v3 etc.
1v1 can be added for fun, but I think it's impossible to even remotely balance the game around 1v1 combat.

Battlegrounds:
- 5v5, 10v10, 15v15.
With objectives like CTF (Capture The Flag), King of the Hill, Team Deathmatch, Rush etc.

All with a queue and ranking system. Game starts when teams are full and the game ends when time runs out or objective is fulfilled by one side.

Having structured small scale PvP with incentives, people would want to improve and they would improve. A lot faster than in Cyrodiil, that's for sure. Numerous people I know who thought they hated PvP, ended up loving it once they got the hang of it.

youninjabro · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

I think 1v1, Also battleground would be great it'd make instances or PVP skill based as taking on 20 v 1 right now isn't a logical thing to do with this it'd be great, Allowing guilds howhatld plenty more events and whatnot it'd be a amazing addition to what this great game already is.

Jitterbug · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

Don't care for PvP. I'd rather they focus resources elsewhere and stop nerfing everybody just for PvP.

Pay roll is already writing checks to some people on the PvP team - I don't think you'll mist out on anything by them also doing their jobs.
As to the nerfs/buffs, those will happen regardless.

They can disband the PvP team and reallocate resources if they want to. Assigning someone to the PvP team means you didn't assign them elsewhere. So, yes, the previous poster does mist [sic] out. ZOS has a budget and there are opportunity costs for any allocation decisions.

Regarding nerfs, you answer is disingenuous. PvE people aren't complaining about skills, begging for rebalancing. Get rid of PvP and we will see pretty static skills.

Alright, fair enough, I'll concede on that one.
I just don't feel it realistic that they'll disband and close down such a large selling point of their product (PvP). So while they certainly could, I don't think they ever will, and it becomes a moo point. Like a cow's opinion; it doesn't matter.

Sausage · October 2015

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I hope they keep improving the Cyrodil. Get rid off everything, transform Cyrodil into own stand-alone F2P game, we get tons of full Campaigns and some of them upgrade to full game too and Zen gets money.

Etaniel · October 2015

Other (please reply)

I don't care for battlegrounds or arenas. I will play them if they are implemented, but I'd rather not see them at all.

I don't want scripted battles, I don't want to fight in the same place over and over again.

I want the small scale PvP to happen randomly in Cyrodil, like it always has. I want additional objectives in Cyro to spread out the fights and to make it seem like less of a wasteland. Currently the only areas populated are the corridors between keeps.

Make cities capturable in Cyro and make them grant campaign bonuses. Have the quest givers only hand the quests to people who own the town. Make bridges and milegates capturable.

The areas we want to fight in already exist, they just have to add a capturable flag or two, it's not rocket science.

Tankqull · October 2015

Other (please reply)

yes,
but i do not want arenas.

you may ask why - simply because it is nothing but a ZOSa like baindaid fix for their inability to make cyrodiil work properly.
another problem is that regardless of its size with the allready declined amount of players (we are not in a moba with 20mio players) arenas are extreamly dull and repetetive as a comparison head over to SWTOR if you are slightly involved into the arenas you can predict EVERY battleground outcome once you see the makeups.

so yes i do like - no i love small scale pvp, but i do absolutly hate arenas.

HeroOfNone · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh look yet another thread for like the 100th time about arenas.

Post up all 100 and I'll include them =3, tried to tag some of the larger discussions arenas previously had, notice the small reply count compared to PVE topics? We don't seem to support it as a whole, just as a fleeting idea.

Oh don't get me wrong .... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165653/request-for-a-arena/p1 ......

ESO sorely needs a arena alright. Just #Wheebler just doesn't want one.

That's why I linked it under the spoilers already...

Compare this to some minor housing threads (can't find the major one ATM)

Player Housing vs Guild Cities
Player Housing 2 years? It better be damn good ! ! !
Player Housing - Yay or Nay

These have several 170+ replies and the votes are 300+, and the voting is a good 200+ FOR it. Sadly this topic will probably be buried without enough hype, but hopefully it serves an example that ZOS is listening, they are just they listening to the majority that post.

Zenimax is always listening. Even now they are listening to the birds chirping, the bees buzzing, and the fact that one of them is probably spying on another of them while they're in the shower. Oh wait I was supposed to keep that a secret... Whoops

You're right, they are listening, but they are devoting resources to ideas that have a lot more support behind them.

TheBull · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

We've been asking for a long time now. We've been paying good money. At some point if development of these systems are not made, those who have been asking will leave. As the pvp community goes so does the mmorpg.

pjwb16_ESO · October 2015

Other (please reply)

wtb 1.4

Winterpsy · October 2015

1v1 Arenas

4 vs 4 arenas too.

A perfect place to hone skills.

Ninety9lives · October 2015

Neither, leave it as open world PVP only

Leave it as is
Not every mmo has to be wow
We fight for the throne, constantly...
Then Talos turns up and unites us all

SorataArisugawa · October 2015

4v4v4 to 12v12v12 Battlegrounds

If they add smaler PVP, 2 thinks must be there for me as well:

No different working skills for PVE and PVP (Hate this sooo much)
No crying at the forums, because this and that is not balanced for small scale pvp, and no special fixes for the skills due the small skale pvp.

If its just a feature, it is fine. If its become a centre of the game, I am against it.

Jitterbug · October 2015

Both 1v1 Arenas & XvXvX Battlegrounds

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

If they add smaler PVP, 2 thinks must be there for me as well:
No different working skills for PVE and PVP (Hate this sooo much)

No crying at the forums, because this and that is not balanced for small scale pvp, and no special fixes for the skills due the small skale pvp.

If its just a feature, it is fine. If its become a centre of the game, I am against it.

I'm 100% for the small scale PvP (and would probably not do much else were it to be implemented), and I 100% agree with you.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

4v4v4 to 12v12v12 Battlegrounds

Jitterbug wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

Don't care for PvP. I'd rather they focus resources elsewhere and stop nerfing everybody just for PvP.

Pay roll is already writing checks to some people on the PvP team - I don't think you'll mist out on anything by them also doing their jobs.
As to the nerfs/buffs, those will happen regardless.

They can disband the PvP team and reallocate resources if they want to. Assigning someone to the PvP team means you didn't assign them elsewhere. So, yes, the previous poster does mist [sic] out. ZOS has a budget and there are opportunity costs for any allocation decisions.

Regarding nerfs, you answer is disingenuous. PvE people aren't complaining about skills, begging for rebalancing. Get rid of PvP and we will see pretty static skills.

Alright, fair enough, I'll concede on that one.
I just don't feel it realistic that they'll disband and close down such a large selling point of their product (PvP). So while they certainly could, I don't think they ever will, and it becomes a moo point. Like a cow's opinion; it doesn't matter.

Youre quoting someone who obviously has no experience in an MMO. Nerfs will still come to pass if a PvP Team didnt exist. People think that ZOS doesnt take into considerationg PvE when they make balance passes but they do. The game is very complex and often enough its not the game that gives the Devs the most trouble regarding changes. Its the players. We have habits and opinions so when changes come down that affect us. Our first reaction is to lash out rather than look for alternate means of getting things done. PvEers are absolutely okay with a broken mechanic because from their perspective. They arent hurting anyone with it. Unfortunately they also believe that that should be okay and changes to the mechanics should only affect those that can hurt others with it. They dont understand the advantage they have over other players by killing things faster or more effectively with broken skills over a player using actually balanced skills.

The problem with PvP is that players went into IC looking for Small Scale Arena 4v4v4 etc and they didnt get it. So heres the backlash. And of course because its the General Discussion. PvEers who could careless about others and their playstyle think somehow that disbanding the PvP team will somehow change the current turn around on content. Which it wont. But people love to convince themselves of all sorts of misinformed nonsense.

Glory · October 2015

Other (please reply)

I would prefer more motivation to roam open world (within Cyrodiil as we know it) not as a large group. Everyone is calling for arenas, but I don't think they understand how this would truly affect the current PvP (more rigorous meta, lots of balancing issues, do you really want to stand around until some timer goes off and you get to fight someone for 2 rounds then rinse and repeat?).

I like roaming open world with 2-3 people and seeing how many we can take on (outnumbered? yes please but within reason). It just less fun when that 3-4 man group takes a resource and then a 24 man comes to defend it.

Lyrander · October 2015

4v4v4 to 12v12v12 Battlegrounds

oh can i change my mind?

i saw the *both*-option too late

i personally would enjoy XvX a lot!
but i know a lot of ppl would like 1v1 so - i would actually vote for both

Titansteele · October 2015

Neither, leave it as open world PVP only

I would not lose any sleep if this was never part of the game.