Reaper's March Woodworking Survey guarded by a Storm Atronach

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Please either move it, get rid of it, or replace it with a Flame Atronach. That accursed Storm Atronach is a friggin death trap to people collecting that wood, especially lower level crafters!

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

Scyantific · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also have a snare that slows you down.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also kill my LV17 Woodworker with 3 normal and might I add projectile attacks. Have to use invisibility after luring it away from the wood to get to the wood since even people of the same level as it have trouble with it. Also the area is not frequented so the odds of a passerby coming around is slim to none. Also as far as I know this is the only survey spot so heavily guarded. Seriously it's a slap in the face to anyone not Vet Rank doing the Reaper's March Woodworker Survey since you have to either manage to kill it or die collecting the wood if you even can since combat indicators prevent gathering.

So in short yes it is a problem.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also have a snare that slows you down.

I wouldn't say I'm an uber gamer by any stretch of the imagination, in fact quite the opposite, yet never had a problem with that storm atronach nor never been killed by it. Still managed to do that survey umpteen dozen times at around the same lvl as the area. Chug a health potion, roll, then run if you're about to become brown bread.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also have a snare that slows you down.

I wouldn't say I'm an uber gamer by any stretch of the imagination, in fact quite the opposite, yet never had a problem with that storm atronach nor never been killed by it. Still managed to do that survey umpteen dozen times at around the same lvl as the area. Chug a health potion, roll, then run if you're about to become brown bread.

The problem here though is you cannot get the wood unless the Storm Atronach is both not around and not after you or your group. For many people that have to do this writ simply because they are not Vet Ranks which gives access to Craglorn and better Writs that Storm Atronach is a bigger obstacle than there should be. Strong enemies should not guard Survey spots. My Enchanter doesn't have to deal with such a thing, just a couple of Imps which are no problem since he has Annulment. Clothier Survey isn't guarded at all, nor is Blacksmithing. That said why is Woodworking so heavily guarded?

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also kill my LV17 Woodworker with 3 normal and might I add projectile attacks. Have to use invisibility after luring it away from the wood to get to the wood since even people of the same level as it have trouble with it. Also the area is not frequented so the odds of a passerby coming around is slim to none. Also as far as I know this is the only survey spot so heavily guarded. Seriously it's a slap in the face to anyone not Vet Rank doing the Reaper's March Woodworker Survey since you have to either manage to kill it or die collecting the wood if you even can since combat indicators prevent gathering.

So in short yes it is a problem.

Reaper's March isn't a lvl 17 area though. Just because you want to go into a higher level area with a low level toon doesn't mean the game should accommodate that.

I appreciate I'm coming across as being all high n mighty (a d-bag), but I'm not meaning to. I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful manner.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also kill my LV17 Woodworker with 3 normal and might I add projectile attacks. Have to use invisibility after luring it away from the wood to get to the wood since even people of the same level as it have trouble with it. Also the area is not frequented so the odds of a passerby coming around is slim to none. Also as far as I know this is the only survey spot so heavily guarded. Seriously it's a slap in the face to anyone not Vet Rank doing the Reaper's March Woodworker Survey since you have to either manage to kill it or die collecting the wood if you even can since combat indicators prevent gathering.

So in short yes it is a problem.

Reaper's March isn't a lvl 17 area though. Just because you want to go into a higher level area with a low level toon doesn't mean the game should accommodate that.

I appreciate I'm coming across as being all high n mighty (a d-bag), but I'm not meaning to. I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful manner.

What you're not getting is my Lv17 can take out a Flame Atronach from that area and my Enchanter whom is Lv19 can take on those Imps but a Storm Atronach even for people in the lower 40s is too much for wanting to collect survey wood.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also kill my LV17 Woodworker with 3 normal and might I add projectile attacks. Have to use invisibility after luring it away from the wood to get to the wood since even people of the same level as it have trouble with it. Also the area is not frequented so the odds of a passerby coming around is slim to none. Also as far as I know this is the only survey spot so heavily guarded. Seriously it's a slap in the face to anyone not Vet Rank doing the Reaper's March Woodworker Survey since you have to either manage to kill it or die collecting the wood if you even can since combat indicators prevent gathering.

So in short yes it is a problem.

Reaper's March isn't a lvl 17 area though. Just because you want to go into a higher level area with a low level toon doesn't mean the game should accommodate that.

I appreciate I'm coming across as being all high n mighty (a d-bag), but I'm not meaning to. I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful manner.

What you're not getting is my Lv17 can take out a Flame Atronach from that area and my Enchanter whom is Lv19 can take on those Imps but a Storm Atronach even for people in the lower 40s is too much for wanting to collect survey wood.

I do get you find flame ones easier to handle irrespective of lvl, however, I don't see the beef with there being a storm atronach in a high level area. Some of the Craglorn surveys require you to sneak next to or past vet 11 - 13 minor bosses or trolls. In fact there's one that I can't get to without dying as I have no choice but to pass a group of enemies guarding each pathway leading up to it. I accept I have to die to get to the cloth survey on low level toons. So no, it's not the only punishing survey in the game. Far from it.

There's other ones (pretty sure it's the blacksmith 2 craglorn survey) that requires you to extract 2 ore veins right next to a vet 13 troll. 9/10 times it doesn't spot you, but the danger is still there.

TheShadowScout · October 2015

Some mobs can be taken out by underlevel characters. Stormies though... can be tough fights even at level. Still much better then they used to be though, I remember times when they were not just tough, but nearly unbeatable without help...

But the final word is still - if you are not up to the area level, you have no reason to complain that some mobs there squish you. Level up, squish them right back! Even my crafting alts are all at least V1 by now...

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Some mobs can be taken out by underlevel characters. Stormies though... can be tough fights even at level. Still much better then they used to be though, I remember times when they were not just tough, but nearly unbeatable without help...

But the final word is still - if you are not up to the area level, you have no reason to complain that some mobs there squish you. Level up, squish them right back! Even my crafting alts are all at least V1 by now...

Yes and if my woodworker was VR1 he would be doing Craglorn Writs, not Reaper's March, hence the problem... Also it isn't just a problem for me but everybody. I happen to have a way to get the wood regardless of whether I die or not (which I do because the Storm Atronach is a d**k) but I can't say the same for others. Also if anyone can name 1 Survey spot anywhere guarded by an enemy this strong then we can either address that as well or drop this conversation entirely. Bottom line though is a Storm Atronach is a bit much... Especially since two of the wood pieces are too close to its spawn spot to sneak up to.

Ourorboros · October 2015

There is a difference between being forced to run through enemies to get to a survey and having an enemy guard a survey. If you die running through the survey, you can revive and continue to the survey. If you die to a guarded survey, if you have even attempted to harvest the survey and die, poof, survey is gone when you revive.

The only guarded survey in Craglorn had it's wasps removed after a lot of complaints. Stands to reason the same should happen to every survey. This is especially true as there is no mechanism in the game to stop any level character from advancing craft skills all the way to 50. I have a lvl 11 Khajiit who's a lvl 50 enchanter. To get to 50, I do writs in Reaper's March. Those imps that are easy for you are a pain for me. Usually I can sneak and get the runes from the survey, but if I draw aggro, my kitty does not have the juice to take out both imps before dying, and there goes my survey. OP should complain to customer service and do /feedback. Either lower characters should not be able to access higher level writs, or surveys should not be guarded.

Xendyn · October 2015

They moved a bunch of the Craglorn survey nodes for this very reason, altho there is still one clothing survey location that I haven't found a way to get to without killing (or being killed by) a pack of those Upper Crag casters.

I don't think any survey should be in reach of aggroing mobs. That's not what you're there for. Plus the darn things cost a ridiculous amount of mats already, then you have to fight for it on top of that?

Easy enough to move it, they've done it before.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

There is a tougher survey point in Craglorn than the one in Reapers March. It's a clothier survey point. Good luck getting to it without dying even at medium vet level. It's a top of a rocky hill, that only has 2 paths leading up (that I can see) and each of those paths are guarded by numerous enemies including enemy casters that have to boss bars. Vet 13 i believe. Do I think it needs addressed - no. It's a high level area and it is what it is.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

Pretty sure this is the survey.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8Ao6VLzv68

To get to it you have to die if you're low level unless I'm missing something fairly obvious and have no invisibility potion or skill.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

I suppose I should have been more specific. I meant faction areas not places like Craglorn lol

Also @Ourorboros the Survey doesn't disappear but you are back to square one of still having to get the strong enemy off the nodes to get to them.

Ourorboros · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I suppose I should have been more specific. I meant faction areas not places like Craglorn lol

Also @Ourorboros the Survey doesn't disappear but you are back to square one of still having to get the strong enemy off the nodes to get to them.

The point was the same, whether discussing Craglorn or other surveys. And yes, if you start harvesting a survey then die before harvesting everything, the survey disappears. Same thing if you do /reloadui in midst of survey. This is on PC. Maybe it works differently on console.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I suppose I should have been more specific. I meant faction areas not places like Craglorn lol

Also @Ourorboros the Survey doesn't disappear but you are back to square one of still having to get the strong enemy off the nodes to get to them.

The point was the same, whether discussing Craglorn or other surveys. And yes, if you start harvesting a survey then die before harvesting everything, the survey disappears. Same thing if you do /reloadui in midst of survey. This is on PC. Maybe it works differently on console.

It is for PC then because I play on console and I harvested the 2 pieces of wood guarded by the Storm Atronach and then noticed it was on my tail and tried to get away but got killed anyway then respawned at the wayshrine and went back and the other 4 were still there.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

Hope you don't mind me asking in your thread, mate. But do other people see your survey nodes? I mean, when I approach the area and there's someone else there harvesting, am I better waiting until they're away or do the nodes only appear in my game? Hope that makes sense. As things stand, I always wait just shy of the area until the other people leave just in case they can ninja those nodes.

Ourorboros · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Hope you don't mind me asking in your thread, mate. But do other people see your survey nodes? I mean, when I approach the area and there's someone else there harvesting, am I better waiting until they're away or do the nodes only appear in my game? Hope that makes sense. As things stand, I always wait just shy of the area until the other people leave just in case they can ninja those nodes.

The surveys are instanced. I've harvested more than one with another player doing the same. No one can take yours, nor can you take theirs.

angel59 · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

There is a tougher survey point in Craglorn than the one in Reapers March. It's a clothier survey point. Good luck getting to it without dying even at medium vet level. It's a top of a rocky hill, that only has 2 paths leading up (that I can see) and each of those paths are guarded by numerous enemies including enemy casters that have to boss bars. Vet 13 i believe. Do I think it needs addressed - no. It's a high level area and it is what it is.

If it is the one I think it is, there is a third way. If you go to the path by the river, follow the river back futher. You will find a partial path that takes you up. You wiĺl have to deal with 3 wasps, but that is it. Once you get past the wasps, you follow the path up and down a hill, then down. Might have to crouch to avoid drawing aggro on a couple casters. No mobs will bother you when you harvest the flowers.

Ourorboros · October 2015

angel59 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

There is a tougher survey point in Craglorn than the one in Reapers March. It's a clothier survey point. Good luck getting to it without dying even at medium vet level. It's a top of a rocky hill, that only has 2 paths leading up (that I can see) and each of those paths are guarded by numerous enemies including enemy casters that have to boss bars. Vet 13 i believe. Do I think it needs addressed - no. It's a high level area and it is what it is.

If it is the one I think it is, there is a third way. If you go to the path by the river, follow the river back futher. You will find a partial path that takes you up. You wiĺl have to deal with 3 wasps, but that is it. Once you get past the wasps, you follow the path up and down a hill, then down. Might have to crouch to avoid drawing aggro on a couple casters. No mobs will bother you when you harvest the flowers.

You have the right area, but it's not as easy as you make it seem for everyone. Those are VR13 wasps, and not easy for all lower ranks. But you're right, very easy to navigate the area once past the wasps.

Swindy · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Don't see the issue with it. It's a higher level area so there should be tougher enemies around. Also don't see the issue with storm atronachs. They have the turning arc of an oil tanker and their strong attacks are slow and easy to avoid.

They also kill my LV17 Woodworker with 3 normal and might I add projectile attacks. Have to use invisibility after luring it away from the wood to get to the wood since even people of the same level as it have trouble with it. Also the area is not frequented so the odds of a passerby coming around is slim to none. Also as far as I know this is the only survey spot so heavily guarded. Seriously it's a slap in the face to anyone not Vet Rank doing the Reaper's March Woodworker Survey since you have to either manage to kill it or die collecting the wood if you even can since combat indicators prevent gathering.

So in short yes it is a problem.

Reaper's March isn't a lvl 17 area though. Just because you want to go into a higher level area with a low level toon doesn't mean the game should accommodate that.

I appreciate I'm coming across as being all high n mighty (a d-bag), but I'm not meaning to. I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful manner.

What you're not getting is my Lv17 can take out a Flame Atronach from that area and my Enchanter whom is Lv19 can take on those Imps but a Storm Atronach even for people in the lower 40s is too much for wanting to collect survey wood.

I do get you find flame ones easier to handle irrespective of lvl, however, I don't see the beef with there being a storm atronach in a high level area. Some of the Craglorn surveys require you to sneak next to or past vet 11 - 13 minor bosses or trolls. In fact there's one that I can't get to without dying as I have no choice but to pass a group of enemies guarding each pathway leading up to it. I accept I have to die to get to the cloth survey on low level toons. So no, it's not the only punishing survey in the game. Far from it.

There's other ones (pretty sure it's the blacksmith 2 craglorn survey) that requires you to extract 2 ore veins right next to a vet 13 troll. 9/10 times it doesn't spot you, but the danger is still there.

What he said.

No one said, OP, and with all respect, that obtaining anything in ESO was going to be a gift...least of all in an area high above your present level.
Either level a toon to collect those, or accept that crafting at a much higher level than your present toon comes with downsides.

Received a lot of treasure maps when I first bought pre release IE, but by the time my toon could get to most of those chests alive, and rest assured he tried many, many times, the gear was so many levels lower than he was making the stuff almost useless...it is what it is mate.

Violynne · October 2015

A level 17 toon in a 42+ level area getting upset because he can't beat a storm atronach while they spam level woodworking.

I'm chucking this one up to poetic justice.

Why not ask someone in the area to knock it out for you.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Violynne wrote: »

A level 17 toon in a 42+ level area getting upset because he can't beat a storm atronach while they spam level woodworking.

I'm chucking this one up to poetic justice.

Why not ask someone in the area to knock it out for you.

Because, as I stated before, the area is not frequented. It's that Atronach-infested area in southern Reaper's March with all the trees on fire and stuff and whenever I do go there to claim the survey no one is around. Anyone that is doesn't want anything to do with the Atronach and I can't blame them because as was already said even someone at its level will have trouble. Also the issue isn't that I cannot defeat the Storm Atronach, the issue is that the Storm Atronach's spawn spot is so close to 2 of the nodes that you can't even sneak up to the node without getting detected and then the Storm Atronach is all over you. Also as you know if you engage it you cannot even activate the node so you have to manage to lure it away from the node so you can harvest it but as has been stated Storm Atronach's cause Snaring and have projectile attacks. So yeah pretty sure no other survey area before Craglorn has it this bad. I'm not against having a mob or 2 guard a Survey area but it shouldn't be a mob like this, hence me saying a Flame Atronach replacing it wouldn't be a bad idea.

unjulationb16_ESO · October 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

angel59 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

There is a tougher survey point in Craglorn than the one in Reapers March. It's a clothier survey point. Good luck getting to it without dying even at medium vet level. It's a top of a rocky hill, that only has 2 paths leading up (that I can see) and each of those paths are guarded by numerous enemies including enemy casters that have to boss bars. Vet 13 i believe. Do I think it needs addressed - no. It's a high level area and it is what it is.

If it is the one I think it is, there is a third way. If you go to the path by the river, follow the river back futher. You will find a partial path that takes you up. You wiĺl have to deal with 3 wasps, but that is it. Once you get past the wasps, you follow the path up and down a hill, then down. Might have to crouch to avoid drawing aggro on a couple casters. No mobs will bother you when you harvest the flowers.

You have the right area, but it's not as easy as you make it seem for everyone. Those are VR13 wasps, and not easy for all lower ranks. But you're right, very easy to navigate the area once past the wasps.

ive just come from doing that survey - i ran past the wasps and by the time i got to the centre of the materials i turned round ready for a fight and they just buggered off so not to bad tbh

UrQuan · October 2015

I don't actually think that any of the survey locations should places where you can't get the nodes without aggroing mobs. I think sneaking past mobs to get to the nodes should always be an option.

As that's not the case here, though, what you can always do is bank the survey, take it out with a higher level character, and have that character go there, stomp the atronach, and collect the nodes.

Epona222 · October 2015

You do know you can put your survey in the bank and collect it on a non-crafting character, right?

Starshadw · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Reaper's March isn't a lvl 17 area though. Just because you want to go into a higher level area with a low level toon doesn't mean the game should accommodate that.

I appreciate I'm coming across as being all high n mighty (a d-bag), but I'm not meaning to. I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful manner.

Ehh, the thing is, most of the survey locations are mob-free, meaning if you move carefully, you can reach them without ever getting aggro on anything. Given that's the case, it makes sense to ensure that all of the survey locations are the same. There's one in Craglorn (a Clothier one) that involves having to fight groups of mobs, which always seemed strange to me, given every other one in that zone is reachable without having to aggro or fight a single thing.

CromulentForumID · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

I don't actually think that any of the survey locations should places where you can't get the nodes without aggroing mobs. I think sneaking past mobs to get to the nodes should always be an option.

As that's not the case here, though, what you can always do is bank the survey, take it out with a higher level character, and have that character go there, stomp the atronach, and collect the nodes.

I believe this is also an area where the mobs turn neutral if you complete a quest. That really doesn't help the OP immediately, but eventually the area becomes "unguarded."

I'll agree, though, that an area with no mobs should be the default for any kind of survey location.

UrQuan · October 2015

CromulentForumID wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I don't actually think that any of the survey locations should places where you can't get the nodes without aggroing mobs. I think sneaking past mobs to get to the nodes should always be an option.

As that's not the case here, though, what you can always do is bank the survey, take it out with a higher level character, and have that character go there, stomp the atronach, and collect the nodes.

I believe this is also an area where the mobs turn neutral if you complete a quest. That really doesn't help the OP immediately, but eventually the area becomes "unguarded."

I'll agree, though, that an area with no mobs should be the default for any kind of survey location.

Yeah, you're right. Actually, that may help the OP. The quest would be almost impossible to complete on a level 17 character, but if he can get someone who is higher level to group with him and help him out with it, then he could do the quest, turn the storm atronach neutral, and never have to worry about it again.

Side note: that's a perfectly cromulent forum ID you have there. It embiggens my heart to see it