It would be beneficial to look into what does and does not work to improve your stats while battle leveled. It is annoying that gear is mostly useless with battle leveling turned on but I doubt they are going to ever change that so knowing the ins and outs is crucial to success.

1vX was way too easy before and I'm glad it's harder now. Resource management is actually something you have to focus on instead of everyone just having unlimited resources to spam every skill they wanted to... it makes more sense this way.

Fighting outnumbered is still very possible. Just last night in BwB a DK and I (NB) fought a group of about 8 or so EP outside of Bleakers for a good 10 minutes while they continuously respawned and came back for more death. I got 16 killing blows before they managed to get me down, the DK must've gotten about the same. Skill still matters.

Are you running into many 1v1s that you can't finish or is the example you gave the only time? I haven't come across a single 1v1 situation yet that lasted an unreasonable amount of time.

Seth_Black wrote: »

L2P ...all over again

Fights are longer, resources harder to manage it is BETTER and more fun even while playing solo.
Stop focusing only on max stam/weapon power or magicka/spell dmg ...put in some more regens.
Also weaving doesn't work as well as before on 2H you can't cancel animation in order to get that stamina back.
I would say ESO is heading towards way more skilled 1v1 fights and makes 1vX way bigger challenge.

New things make it fresh and way more interesting

I can do all that, and do. I studied PVP on this game, and I understand how to play and anti-cancel etc.

Unfortunately, regardless of what I do in the new patch I eventually run out of resources with battle levelling...

(Sometimes it's longer than others, but it still is too taxing on my play style, which before was no problem at all.)

I'm fine with learning new tactics and such, but as a battle levelled player, unless with my group, it's just a lot harder to finish people, and thus requires a lot more resources.

@Alucardo Perhaps a mindless grind is my only choice.

@mcurley I think they just dropped the ball in terms of how these changes effect elites, vs how they effect average, battle levelled players. I never ran into the 1vX gods, but I saw videos and I can understand that would be frustrating so its nice that its harder to do that now. But for your average fight, it's made things very slow and boring now.

I find on blackwater it doesn't matter so much if i have a partner who is organised. We just call a target and take them out one by one while everyone is scattered... By myself though I don't have the hitting power of a second player so it's either option A ) play for regens and sustain and never be able to finish more than one or two people before I'm out of resources, or B ) Try to hit hard and quickly kill one guy and then I'm struggling to regen for the next battle.

Perhaps if I had the ability to manipulate my build more I'd be able to counter this, but with battle levelling and only a small amount of champion points, I really don't have many options.

As for the fight where we shook hands and went our separate ways, I have only found this to be a problem with my magicka players.

That incident was my V5 NB. I have noticed since the patch that my Magicka Templar hits like a baby now also.

Stamina guys are hitting harder, but resources are a bit of a struggle.

With battle levelling the most I can get my stam up to is around 19-20k btw with food.

I think we should be able to allocate our attribute points however we want, and then have them just use that as the basis for our own personal battle level.

It would allow for the fun of theory crafting and creating unique builds, without having to grind up to V16 to actually do it.

@MissBizz lol Yeah it's a bit much. Perhaps they'll look into it. I'm hoping so. BWB used to be amazing.

@Blackfirehawk that's a shame, man.

Maybe take a break, and check back after the next patch (lol) and hope for the best.

@Seth_Black sorry to double tag you, but I just wanted to say that if anything, combat requires much less skill now.

Before, if you made mistakes, you'd get bombed. Now, because people hit softer and mobility has taken a huge hit, you don't get wiped as easily for making mistakes/taking hits, and because players can't move around as much, it's much easier to target and keep your attacks hitting their mark.

Fights are now slower, more forgiving with less power, and less mobility.

I'm not sure how that creates a more skill based environment?

I notice a lot of people aren't dying from being outplayed now, they're either dying from having no resources to defend/evade, or they just get outnumbered.

It's more about Zerging or outnumbering than anything else... For me as a Pvp junkie, that's a real shame.

@Seth_Black Nah man, I have a bunch of low VRs and non vets (7 total characters now).

I'm going to level one to end-game eventually, but I've been happy just Pvping only for the most part up until now.

Seth_Black wrote: »

I'm playing only solo IC and mostly encountering 1 or 2 enemies at once + trash.
Why it is more about skill now?
1. Manage your resources
2. Use the area properly (buildings, trash ...hell even bosses)
3. Enemy after being killed can release and come back really fast ...so watch your back
It is more tricky = more fun than just fighting around ONE ROCK in Cyrodiil to kill 10 people solo
I've been there, done that ...THAT was boring!
If you know your district well and you can use every building and trash pack to your advantage
it's really fun to play

I agree on some points and I disagree on others.

1. I can understand managing resources is a necessary skill in this game. But if you're comparing an end game build with 30k stam or magicka (depending on your build) and enough champion points spent on resource regen, not to mention end game food or drink plus the various buffs you get from gear, to a battle levelled player, you really can't understand where I'm coming from.

Even if I enchant my armour, it doesn't effect my base stats with battle levelling. If I eat blue or purple food with the best gear available to me the best I can get it to is around 21k of magicka or stamina. But if I do that, I have no regen and run out very quickly, versus an end game build which can easily pop 30k and then have drinks + champion points into regens + enchants and gear passives/traits so resource management is not a big problem there. If I run drinks it hovers around 18k but I don't hit very hard at all.

All the while I have something like 30k hp?! The amount of times I've more or less stood there and slowly dropped because I can't evade or block or cloak or bolt (whatever) drives me up the wall.

As I said, the battle levelling makes sense for the end-game players, but for the guys who are on their way to end-game (the vast majority) it really REALLY, makes gameplay in PVP suck. lol.

I saw a nice idea which would remove the need for battle levelling and that was to have either servers with Vet Caps or CP Caps.

Instead of all the buff servers etc. just have five total servers; V1-4 / V5-8 / V9-12 / V13-16 (x2) servers along with seasonal CP caps as the devs have discussed and then just get rid of the battle levelling nonsense.

If I suck, if I make mistakes, I deserve to die. I can learn from that, and I'm ok with that.

Improving my skills and getting better only to have my gameplay completely hindered by imbalance and then an attempt at balance which completely misses the mark, I'm not ok with.

For example; Whe my first character made it to VR, I jumped into Azura to check it out. I got hit by a nightblade in a Jester suit (I'll never forget him lol) with a Meteor (Teleport Strike while the meteor was in mid air) and an Impale all about 2 seconds and dropped like a sack of potatoes!

IT WAS AWESOME.

I knew he was V14 with a lot better stats than me, but the timing and skill required to bomb me like that with a huge burst excited me about PVP and made me want to improve my SKILLS. (and of course level a little more).

Now, if he were to do that to me today, he might bomb me still, but then drop to my friends because he burned so many resources on that lethal combo. (Perhaps not at V16, but most certainly if he was battle levelled. Actually, if he where battle levelled I dare say he wouldn't be able to hit that hard that quickly to begin with, but thats just my guess.)


2. A lot of the time, thats the only option in IC for me. The amount of time's I've killed one or two people to have them respawn and head back before my resources are even close to being able to fight is too much! So I have to run around looking for a boss or mob to pull to keep them busy. But that's another subject, and it's not really PVP, and even though I do it, it feels really cheesy every time, which I'm not a fan of.

Here's a question I have for another topic; If they made IC with close respawns to create a faster pace, why on earth did they kill damage and regens!?! lol

It's like they went one way (which was a great idea) and then completely hindered it with battle spirit.

I shouldn't have to flee after a fight after a kill, just so I can wait for my regens. Sure I should be hindered a little, but at the moment it's just way too much.

3. Kind of already covered that. I do love the map in IC and the potential it has to be really great fast paced action. But because of the changes to PVP, it's really not. It's just a lot of people fighting and then pulling mobs to do the dirty work for them.

I'd much prefer instanced areas where it was 5 on 5 battles with no NPCs in the way.

Even battles, even numbers. Play for kills or map control. It would be amazing. Small scale with no trash mobs/bosses too so there would be no lag issues. It could be amazing.

I too really wish they would alter battle leveling to allow for more theory crafting. Before I figured everything out I spent tons of gold on a few gear setups that I thought would be great which turned out to do absolutely nothing. That was a huge pain in the ass and I'm sure many people have done the same thing.

PvP is the most fun aspect of the game for me too. I only have 2 v4 characters which I play occasionally when BwB is not doing it for me (which is rare). I honestly wish I could just pay someone to grind them to v16 for me so I can start implementing my theory crafting ideas sometime before 2017.

With my play style I can kill 2 average players pretty easily and still have enough resources to at least escape or try put up a good fight for the dead's backup. More than 2 I don't even try unless I know them to be poor players because I'm pretty squishy. Your point about having a teammate is spot on. With just one solid teammate your kill potential goes through the roof... with a group of 4 really good and organized players you can fight off 3-4 times your numbers and still come out on top (probably the most fun I've had in this game).

It should be noted that my pvp experience is limited to BwB so I never run into the fully geared elite players who have a huge stat advantage over me. Usually when I die it's because of the zerg or because I got tunnel vision trying to finish someone off in a group that was too large for me to dive into.

If you adjust your build,resource management becomes far better. I faced a templar and a NB at once last night, took something like 7 to 10 minutes. They never seemed to run out of resources and I know I didn't. Eventually I killed them both. Im vet 5 the temp was vet 2 and the NB was vet 3. So at most a 3 CP difference

This thread name is epic.

This thread seems more like crying about not being able to make infinite instagib meta than about combat.

Things are way better now, healing means something, resources mean something, there is way more back and forth. It's not about just who nukes first anymore. Skill is based on your ability to survive, not if you are a damage stacking nightblade with high regen or a shield stacking sorc with high regen or a block build dk or Templar.

Theres nothing more fun than taking my level 10 tank into IC and watching a vet 16 stamblade smack on me for a while.

I can only imagine what it will be like at level 40+