Docmandu wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

...trollolol...

Probably for the best you don't like this game then. Griefers get their come-uppin's anyway. All hail karma!

You do know that with replying you are actually feeding that troll, right? It's the entire reason why people like that do those things.. attention.

Yeah but what hurts a troll most is when the topic turns into a mature debate

Chieve wrote: »

I'm surprised when ever a player helps kill someone it's called kill stelaing...

You know i never look at my opponents health, the second I see my team mate fighting, I don't hesitate but rush in to help before my teammate dies...if he's dying or if he got this idk, idc I just want to help.

Why does everyone assume it's always steal killing...

I mean not every "steal kill" is a steal kill

The situation you are talking about is neither here nor there. you are talking about fighting in a group or with friends. "Kill steals" are only with strangers... and as people have said kill steals are moot...

and in truth I didn't think this question would spark such a discussion.

JeffCross wrote: »

Chieve wrote: »

I'm surprised when ever a player helps kill someone it's called kill stelaing...

You know i never look at my opponents health, the second I see my team mate fighting, I don't hesitate but rush in to help before my teammate dies...if he's dying or if he got this idk, idc I just want to help.

Why does everyone assume it's always steal killing...

I mean not every "steal kill" is a steal kill

The situation you are talking about is neither here nor there. you are talking about fighting in a group or with friends. "Kill steals" are only with strangers... and as people have said kill steals are moot...

and in truth I didn't think this question would spark such a discussion.

Is this PvP or PvE?

Because it's still not the most approved behaviour in PvP. Killing blows counts towards multiple achievements and many PvP'ers also care about their imaginary ELO, based on some addon. If you intentionally steal the killing blow with Snipe, Jesus Beam, execute or other cowardly move, when a friendly is about to win 1v1, you're a bit of a maggot seriously.

But in some cases people aren't doing it intentionally. They see enemy player and sort of reactively attack. Cant determine quick enough if the ally needs help or not, so they start shooting.

In PvE, there no such thing as kill stealing. Cant expect players to stand in line and wait "their turn" to hit stuff, not with 5-20 minutes of spawn timers and massive competition for XP and loot around grind/farm spots. Just because someone attacked a few seconds earlier, doesn't mean the mob or boss is their exclusive event.

PinoZino wrote: »

What I hate as well: you're fighting some mob, it's clear you have no problem with it at all and suddenly some white knight appears and think he has to rescue you from the mob and kill it. I really hate that.

Maybe they are not "rescuing" you. They know that two people will still get decent XP and reward and it is not about you at all. I am more concerned about the person who thinks like you. Let it go.

I did not used to do this, back when ESO was more friendly, but now I am more likely to stand and watch people die rather than help them. I would much rather join in. It is more fun than watching them, but the player base is a lot different now than it used to be.

Now, if this battle is in my way, and I need to move past them, they will get my help no matter what they want or think. This only applies to level appropriate encounters, though.

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

The only issue I have with people stealing kills etc is when you see a chest but it's being guarded by a troll, you take on the troll only to see some random creeping in behind you and the troll to nick the contents of the chest.

Stand over the chest. More precisely, try to get the mob to stand over the chest or AoE the area around the chest. Very few people will attempt to sneak in and take the chest while the mob is there. The idea is not to be vindictive or mean, but more to just remind interlopers why you are there. That annoying "in combat" wait before you can loot the chest is unavoidable, though.

But, keep in mind that any chest or node that is not under the direct protection of the mob is not yours automatically just because you are fighting. When I see someone fighting, I do not assume that they are fighting them for the stuff that is not in the detection radius of the mobs. If that is, in fact, why they are there.... L2P.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

...trollolol...

Probably for the best you don't like this game then. Griefers get their come-uppin's anyway. All hail karma!

You do know that with replying you are actually feeding that troll, right? It's the entire reason why people like that do those things.. attention.

Yeah but what hurts a troll most is when the topic turns into a mature debate

Free advertising only hurts politicians.

Thanks for all the food guys. I needed to feed my starving troll family.

Little does he know it has nutrients that are bad for trolls...

DenMoria wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

That went out with the dinosaurs, gramps

Fortunately, in the real world, we gramps eat selfish little creeps with this sort of attitude for lunch.

I think it's a good thing that people who feel this way are able to get it out in games like ESO 'cause it ain't gonna fly in the real world.

Feel the power while you can, I say, 'cause it doesn't last.

If gamers had even half the courage in real life to be what they are in-game when it comes to being total buttholes they would probably not live very long to tell the tale... If reality suffered the same nonsense virtual reality goes through... Well let's just say the world would not be a pretty place to live in.

All in all though people display their true selves in video games that they dare not display in reality simply because it would get them in a world of trouble. Of course we're all guilty of our own little malevolent pleasures but it's sad when people refuse to acknowledge the feelings of the real people behind the pixels just for their own evil little kicks. Such is human nature though... And that is exactly why I am glad I am one of the better people in the world when it comes to morals and generally good etiquette.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

That went out with the dinosaurs, gramps

This is the problem. Becoming worse and worse with each passing year

JeffCross wrote: »

This is disheartening, I understand stealing other's kill is not a thing anymore its just annoying, when you are about to strike the final blow and some one else does it... but anyway it seems most people (not the ones who answered with respect and insight) are thoughtless pri(ks who only like p:ssing people off in games.

it is sad when respect is out of style...

Honestly, because of the way XP and loot from mobs works in ESO, the one who gets upset at "kill stealing" is the one who is out of line, not the person who came in and threw an attack or two at the mob. The way to be respectful when there's another player in the area is to make sure he/she gets a chance to fire off attacks at whatever you're fighting. If you're trying to hog the mob fights for yourself and kill them before the other guy gets a chance to contribute, then you're actually the one being thoughtless and displaying bad etiquette.

Having said that, I understand it's a mentality shift from older games with different mechanics and it's hard to just instantly change the way you look at things, but it's something that people should really think about, and work on changing their approach. Be a helpful, respectful player and let other folks in the area get their hits in. Apply Wheaton's Rule.

PinoZino wrote: »

What I hate as well: you're fighting some mob, it's clear you have no problem with it at all and suddenly some white knight appears and think he has to rescue you from the mob and kill it. I really hate that.

You bring up a good point here. I once played a healing class in another MMO, and I have received angry tells on both sides. I heal someone, thinking they needed help...bam, I get an angry PM telling me to "Mind my own #%$%$%@%$^ business!!!!1!!"
Or, see someone fight and decide not to get involved...bam. An angry PM hurling racial epithets at me for not "saving them".

Damned if you do, damned if you don't :'(

summitxho wrote: »

Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »

It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks

Everyone is just in it for them selves. I believe I'm a team player even on ESO , for example I'm going after this void bloom, I accidentally pulled a couple scorpions towards me, mid fight some one comes and grabs what I'm going for. Later I see the same guy do the same thing mid fight with scorpions.. I help him kill those bugs and I let him get his node.

I actually had no idea that it effects the re-spawn of the node leaving the bait behind, never thought about that and I was guilty of it, but good to know for moving forward, I will take the bait and simply destroy it. I don't think its always deliberate, I just think the game has brought a lot of people in from the PVE side of elder scrolls like myself, and don't know the proper etiquette or mechanics of how things re-spawn or work in an MMO, sometimes its as simple as a friendly reminder.

Take the bait and sell it to the fisherpeople. Especially the WURMS. Never enough wurms.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »

It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks

Everyone is just in it for them selves. I believe I'm a team player even on ESO , for example I'm going after this void bloom, I accidentally pulled a couple scorpions towards me, mid fight some one comes and grabs what I'm going for. Later I see the same guy do the same thing mid fight with scorpions.. I help him kill those bugs and I let him get his node.

One of my favorite things to do as a sorc was kite ahead of another nirnhoned farmer using bolt escape. I would ninja the node before he could get to it. If he sent me a rage tell, I would casually link a nirncrux i had already farmed and say "thanks bro!"

This is not a gentleman's game. Netiquette is as dead as geocitites. All hail Sithis!

Assholokin Douchenborn

JeffCross wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

JeffCross wrote: »

This is disheartening, I understand stealing other's kill is not a thing anymore its just annoying, when you are about to strike the final blow and some one else does it... but anyway it seems most people (not the ones who answered with respect and insight) are thoughtless pri(ks who only like p:ssing people off in games.

it is sad when respect is out of style...

Honestly, because of the way XP and loot from mobs works in ESO, the one who gets upset at "kill stealing" is the one who is out of line, not the person who came in and threw an attack or two at the mob. The way to be respectful when there's another player in the area is to make sure he/she gets a chance to fire off attacks at whatever you're fighting. If you're trying to hog the mob fights for yourself and kill them before the other guy gets a chance to contribute, then you're actually the one being thoughtless and displaying bad etiquette.

Having said that, I understand it's a mentality shift from older games with different mechanics and it's hard to just instantly change the way you look at things, but it's something that people should really think about, and work on changing their approach. Be a helpful, respectful player and let other folks in the area get their hits in. Apply Wheaton's Rule.

Who said anything about mobs? I'm talking a bout one enemy... there are plenty of enemies around but for some reason the player want's to kill the one I'm killing. If I am not engaged with an enemy I don't care what they kill. and if we hit an enemy at the same time... sorry we fight it at the same time. but if there are plenty of enemies around why fight the one enemy that is fighting with another player? that doesn't make sense.

If I am tangling with more than one or two enemies at a time I welcome the help... I think I have written that before. so please don't clump me in with trying to be selfish... at least read all my posts before judging.

and yes, I do agree hogging every enemy around like they own the mob, does suck and it is selfish.

I'm not lumping you in as being selfish or judging you, I'm saying that because of the difference in game mechanics you need to start thinking about things differently than you're used to. I should also note that I wasn't accusing you of hogging mob fights for yourself and trying to kill them all before anyone else in the area gets a chance to contribute: I was using that as an example of behavior that some people who are used to games with kill stealing engage in. I wasn't implying that you specifically would necessarily do that, as I have no idea how you are used to playing. I'm just pointing out that good etiquette in a game with these mechanics is different from good etiquette in a game with kill stealing, and it's worth thinking about that and changing your mentality as far as what is and isn't good behavior on that basis.