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Do Champion Points Really Help Players Get More Powerful?
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes, champion points increase your power.
Though not quite as much as most people assume...
The main advantages come with the first 300 or so c-points, after that the diminishing returns really start kicking in hard...
And even so, those advantages are no more important or stronger then having good highend gear sets, or food buffs, or a well sized stack of tripots...
And naturally, it won't make you über-powered either. Espedcialy not in PvP. So what if you can kill your opponent in 4.2 blows, and he needs five blows - whoever lands that fifth blow still wins...
But... all things considered, it IS one more and additional source of character powah! Especially some of the 10/30 advantages really raise your game a notch...1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?
It's more than obvious to me that he/she is.
Please, in future conversations, be considerate and inclusive of those who do not go by a 'he' or 'she' label.
We are still taking this thread seriously?2 -
Krycek89✭✭✭All i see is a throw away poll, whereby the Pollster throws offhanded noncommittal rhetoric to the masses that disagree with his/her view point and answers with conviction to those that agree.
8/10 i would vote but that would just add fuel to the fire.
However i will ask you this personofsecret:
IF CP means NOTHING; Nada Zip Zilch would u have an issue removing cp from the game?Edited by Krycek89 on 14 September 2015 14:330 -
Hope499✭✭✭✭YesOf course they matter...what?
Why would they NOT matter? its like asking if you are more powerful at level 1 or level 50....
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭YesIt creates a welcome deversity.
But I dont find them (even the unlockable ones) so powerful that it would make a difference.
Actually if I encounter a player who is obviously not a rookie anymore, likely have enough champion points already too.
Once you achieved a decent ammount, you already became more skillful due to practice.
It's a theory of course, having no means to get the exact numbers on console.
Hm, gives me an idea to run a test with and without CPs in a campaign for a set duration of time, minimizing all the possible variables to see what end results I'd get. Heh, too bad I just dont care about this that much to bother myself with it.
This is a popular but short-sighted view of CP. In truth, CP remove diversity as players will eventually have all of the same passives maxed. What was originally choice becomes nothing more than filling in the blanks towards the end. Also, new players are simply screwed until a proper catch-up mechanic is added as the discrepancy between 0-100 CP and 500+ is massive. Combine this with the PC account copies on consoles and it demonstrates how little foresight ZOS had when designing them. To be fair, due to how some of the passive bonuses work, even 300 compared to 800 provides a significant advantage. Worse yet, each CP grants a basic stat boost so the bonus scales even more adding resources and increased damage. CP really are a mess and in typical ZOS fashion they cannot figure out how to solve their mistake (although they never admit they make any).Edited by Hiero_Glyph on 14 September 2015 14:151 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesHigh CP = improved resource sustain, increased damage dealt and decrease damage taken.
Yeah, CPs are very useful. At least up to 600 CPs, after that the difference is supposed to get significantly smaller.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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BlackguardBob✭✭✭NoI only have 89 CPs but I cannot for the life of me "see" the difference in gameplay or performance as yet. My level VR 14 Sorc/vampire doesn't seem to benefit in any way that I can spot. I dare say though, with 1,000 there would be a difference but at the rate that I acquire CPs, 10 years will pass before I have 3,600 of them!0 -
NGP✭✭✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »You got some good increase with CP (more healing, more damage, more regen, less cost) from 15 to 25% depending of the star, plus the constellation bonus (12% critical mainly). But the main change is that each time you spend a CP, you get some stat. I don't remember how many exactly, perhaps a +25 for each CP (red = life, blue = magicka, green = stamina).
Yea, I just added a point and got 18 magic. I don't get how that makes me more powerful though.
We have no problem with your 1 cp character at all.0 -
sebban✭✭✭✭YesObvious troll is obvious.
Let me guess. You are upset that ZOS is considering putting a seasonal cap on CP gain, or otherwise catering to "casuals"?PC EU
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IKilled007 wrote: »Passive-aggressive OP is passive-aggressive; he thinks ooOO(Maybe I can use psychological tactics to get ZOS to "fix" the game how I want!)
Result: 3/10 -- FAIL, and Trying Too Hard.Callous2208 wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?
It's more than obvious to me that he/she is.
Please, in future conversations, be considerate and inclusive of those who do not go by a 'he' or 'she' label.
We are still taking this thread seriously?Obvious troll is obvious.
Let me guess. You are upset that ZOS is considering putting a seasonal cap on CP gain, or otherwise catering to "casuals"?
Please do not attempt hijacking the thread by making hurtful accusations.Edited by Personofsecrets on 14 September 2015 17:371 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All i see is a throw away poll, whereby the Pollster throws offhanded noncommittal rhetoric to the masses that disagree with his/her view point and answers with conviction to those that agree.
8/10 i would vote but that would just add fuel to the fire.
However i will ask you this personofsecret:
IF CP means NOTHING; Nada Zip Zilch would u have an issue removing cp from the game?
Regardless of if CP means nothing or happens to mean something, 1.5 was the best patch yet.0 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Obvious troll is obvious.
Let me guess. You are upset that ZOS is considering putting a seasonal cap on CP gain, or otherwise catering to "casuals"?
Since I have already addressed the attempt at derailing the thread I will answer your question.
I'm not upset about an implementation of a seasonal cap.Edited by Personofsecrets on 14 September 2015 17:330 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
This sounds like a troll post. Why don't you just tell us what your beef is?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
This sounds like a troll post. Why don't you just tell us what your beef is?
I'm going to have to start reporting accusations like these. I'm sorry, but I have told people several times not to derail the thread with name-calling.0 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI may not know the math on the breakdowns of how it all works but I can tell you there is a tremendous difference between the lower level characters on my 2 accounts, one (my main) where I have Champion points (and not even all that many, less than 50) and my alt account where I have no Champion points as of yet.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »I may not know the math on the breakdowns of how it all works but I can tell you there is a tremendous difference between the lower level characters on my 2 accounts, one (my main) where I have Champion points (and not even all that many, less than 50) and my alt account where I have no Champion points as of yet.
There may be differences, but would those differences really prevent you from doing the same things across your multiple accounts? Let's say they all have the same gear, level, alliance rank, etc, but just different champion point levels.0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
This sounds like a troll post. Why don't you just tell us what your beef is?
I'm going to have to start reporting accusations like these. I'm sorry, but I have told people several times not to derail the thread with name-calling.
No need. I will go ahead and report this thread and by extension you. From the opening post to the many non-sensical remarks throughout, you have derailed your own thread and purposefully baited people into reacting negatively to this nonsense. Good effort trying to spin it back on us though. Your troll question was answered, move on.1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
This sounds like a troll post. Why don't you just tell us what your beef is?
I'm going to have to start reporting accusations like these. I'm sorry, but I have told people several times not to derail the thread with name-calling.
No need. I will go ahead and report this thread and by extension you. From the opening post to the many non-sensical remarks throughout, you have derailed your own thread and purposefully baited people into reacting negatively to this nonsense. Good effort trying to spin it back on us though. Your troll question was answered, move on.
Actually, besides the trolling accusations, this thread has been pretty fruitful.
@BuggeX @Winterpsy did a good job at explaining their 'no' answer. @I Highlander l and @Flameheart really added quite a bit of knowledge into the thread and have made me rethink my convictions about the champion point system.
I'll say it again, please don't derail the thread.Edited by Personofsecrets on 14 September 2015 17:550 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoCallous2208 wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm going to have to start reporting accusations like these. I'm sorry, but I have told people several times not to derail the thread with name-calling.
No need. I will go ahead and report this thread and by extension you.
Thank you, @Callous2208 .
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Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭YesDoes a bonus anywhere between 0.1% and 25% helps you ?
Of course.
Does it help you a lot ? Now it depends on how many you got.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Does a bonus anywhere between 0.1% and 25% helps you ?
Of course.
Does it help you a lot ? Now it depends on how many you got.
Well lets look at a couple of the passives.
Arcane Well takes a large number of champion points to unlock, but I have a hard time imagining that it could make a big difference if procd. Yes, it gives back magic, but, in my opinion, players are already able to have the regen they need without arcane well.
Also, look at shield expert. An increase of shield armor by 75% sounds huge, but an extra 1000 armor is only around an extra 1.5% damage mitigation (which comes out to be around .75% after certain diminished returns) and isn't that bag of a difference.
I'm open to the idea that if I had another 90 points into armor rating that I would be able to withstand more punishment, but I don't see that changing up my play style or what I'm able to do too much.Edited by Personofsecrets on 14 September 2015 18:120 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
This sounds like a troll post. Why don't you just tell us what your beef is?
I'm going to have to start reporting accusations like these. I'm sorry, but I have told people several times not to derail the thread with name-calling.
How is that name calling?Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?1 -
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hi, everyone.
We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. It is also not constructive or helpful to publicly call out others and accuse them of trolling, or call them a troll—please refrain from doing so. If you genuinely believe someone is trolling, please report the post or thread to the ESO Team, and leave it at that.
Thank you!
Thank you @ZOS_AlexEdited by Personofsecrets on 14 September 2015 18:131 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »Does a bonus anywhere between 0.1% and 25% helps you ?
Of course.
Does it help you a lot ? Now it depends on how many you got.
Well lets look at a couple of the passives.
Arcane Well takes a large number of champion points to unlock, but I have a hard time imagining that it could make a big difference if procd. Yes, it gives back magic, but, in my opinion, players are already able to have the regen they need without arcane well.
Also, look at shield expert. An increase of shield armor by 75% sounds huge, but an extra 1000 armor is only around an extra 1.5% damage mitigation (which comes out to be around .75% after certain diminished returns) and isn't that bag of a difference.
I'm open to the idea that if I had another 90 points into armor rating that I would be able to withstand more punishment, but I don't see that changing up my play style or what I'm able to do too much.
This is the mistake that so many make when thinking about CP as they individualize the system, not quantify it as a whole. When you can mitigate damage with additional armor, increases resists, regeneration, damage, how much damage you can block, reduce CC costs, etc. it all adds up to providing a significant advantage over another player without these bonuses, or at least as many of them. Also, there is a straight stat bonus granted from earning each CP so in addition to all of these things you get higher stats as well.
The problem is not with CP itself, but rather in the fact that you can eventually gain all of these bonuses on every character you have. This is game-breaking and while we are talking years worth of grinding for most, there are players that have 1k+ CP already. CP should be a strategic choice where deciding between reduced costs or increased regen is a difficult decision, not one where you just have to grind more until you get both. The idea of extended customization is great but CP only fulfills this initially and over time it just makes every character more similar to the next while punishing new players excessively. A year from now CP will be a bane to the game, not a benefit.2 -
Suru✭✭✭✭YesOf course, no one can really refute that CP makes a player stronger. Whether it is damage, sustain or mitigation. They all lead to a player being stronger. Predictable poll is predictable. If you have CP tho, you spend the time,effort and dedication to reach that level of CP, therefore SHOULD be stronger.
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MightyMalloy✭✭YesI think CP only really makes a difference after around 600 CPare you looking to join a PlayStation 4 EU guild add my PSN: MightyMalloy and send me a friend request Saying Guild! Undaunted!0
