When people here are talking about 'PvE' what content of PvE are you all talking about? Because I have absolutely no problems completing PvE quests, delves, dark anchors or even soloing open world bosses with my Sorc... so I'm a bit confused about how Sorcs are not viable in "PvE"; unless you're talking 'group content' PvE, of which I don't participate, so I wouldn't be aware of these difficulties being mentioned.

You should edit your title to, "make sorcerers viable without needing to crutch on overload". They are viable in PvE but only if they have ulti for overload.

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Of course you could use soul trap and each laughable DoT in the game to achieve such numbers But as you said, this is highly unefficient and hard to manage. other classes only need to spam 1 ability to get over 15k dps or far more, Sorcerer needs so many abilities and he never even reaches the dps of other classes.

Sorcerers in pvp are the easiest class to predict, but somehow we still succeed. Don't even want to think about it it works, that's all I need to know.
But all these abilities are bad for dps especially in dungeons. Force Shock is way too weak and we rely so much on it for our dps. It's sad But well.... there is an opportunity to give Sorcerer a spamable class ability that is on par with other classes *looks at Mage's Fury*

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I actually don't run a dot build on my sorcerer and don't use the valkyn set. I run the usual martial, adroitness, band of cyrodill light rings. But for my head and shoulders I use the mephala set. Which I find under rated by lots of people. People who I have ran with my sorcerer. Are always shocked that I use that set. But it makes sense to use that set up with the skills I use on my bars. Every single ability I use is always med weave. So half of my attacks have the 30% chance to proc. Also, I never have used overload in pve only in pvp. So my dps numbers that I stated are with the atronach ultimate. My front bar is bound aegis for the armor and 8% magic, frags, force pulse, v. Curse, mage light another 5% magic and atronach ultimate. Back bar is with 2 dual torug pact swords, which gives spell power from set bonus and the extra spell power for using 2 swords for some odd reason. Bound aegis again, lightning splash, mage wrath, power surge (chose this over entropy cause of bonus spell power passive for slotted sorcerer abilities and mage light again with atronach as ultimate. With the magic bonus from bound aegis and and mage light as well as my master inferno destro staff. My magic pool is at 42k, higher the pool the harder you hit. No my health is not ridiculously low cause I stack so much magic. My health is at 18k without pvp emperor buff. Since I have the armor buff from bound aegis i can safely lower my health slightly . start on back bar and pop surge, drop lightning splash weapon swap and med weave curse, med weave force pulse til you have to re apply curse or if frag procs, swap bars to re apply lightning splash and surge when needed. I'm sure I don't have to tell you to spam mage wrath during execute phase. Since mage wrath and lightning splash is on my back bar with the torug pact dual swords. Those abilities hits hard.

But as I stated before. I hate that I have to set up both bars for strictly single target dps to get those numbers. And have to change bars to aoe for trash mobs in between fights, which is a hassle.

Also, I switch helms set to valkyn when I kill the trash mobs in between bosses as well. My macro is set to change my helms as well as my skills. That is if the macro worked properly 100% of the time. Sorcs can def get high dps in pve. They just have to work harder at it.

Dracane wrote: »

@Oh_Skrivva

You know 960 armor is like 1% less damage or so this will not safe you.

I Have no problems completing any vet dungeons, trials/hard mode, vdsa.

Like I said before, what works for one person may not work for another. Everyone has their own play style and preferences . I was just trying to give my opinion on this threads sorcerers dps debate.

Seems like ZOS isn't gonna fix things anytime soon, given their track record. So I try and do the best with what they give me. I've always played as a sorcerer in the elder scrolls series. So I made my main a sorcerer and tried to find ways to make the sorcerer build work for me.

I have v14 dps toons of each class, and enjoy all of them. But sorcerers will always be my favorite role to play in any of the elder scrolls series, even if some people complain about them.

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Oh_Skrivva

You know 960 armor is like 1% less damage or so this will not safe you.

I Have no problems completing any vet dungeons, trials/hard mode, vdsa.

Like I said before, what works for one person may not work for another. Everyone has their own play style and preferences . I was just trying to give my opinion on this threads sorcerers dps debate.

Seems like ZOS isn't gonna fix things anytime soon, given their track record. So I try and do the best with what they give me. I've always played as a sorcerer in the elder scrolls series. So I made my main a sorcerer and tried to find ways to make the sorcerer build work for me.

I have v14 dps toons of each class, and enjoy all of them. But sorcerers will always be my favorite role to play in any of the elder scrolls series, even if some people complain about them.

Just fyi: Lightning flood dmg changes with spelldmg when you switch bars instantly.

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

Sorcs in pve are not out classed in the dps race. My sorcerer pulls 19-23k single target dps consistently

@Oh_Skrivva , how much of that isn't provided by Overload (Which must be preset and is not sustainable, in most cases) and/or artificially increasing Spell Damage via the gimmick of melee weaponry?

There should be more than one way to achieve a range of DPS numbers and it should not rely on stamina/magicka exclusives for any class.

maxlacab16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

. Increasing...attack speed would make a huuuge difference, even though it might seem boring.

I agree with a pet attack speed increase. Maybe even add a proc to the pets? Like the heal of the Twilight, but in addition to that, something random? Buff, debuff, heal, magica, anything to make them worthwhile occupying a slot!

@Dracane , let the clanfear hit and move like Shadowrend does, and I'll be content.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Sorcerers need more viability in PvE, as of writing this PvE leaderboards for vDSA on the northamerican server only has 10 sorc characters out of 400 available slots.

where would I go to look at a leaderboard?

I've never actually done that - I thought it was only for PvP anyway.

Didn't know that about the lightning flood power change when you switch bars. I would still have to keep it on my back bar anyway because only thing I can change on my front bar really is curse. But since you have to re apply that every 3 seconds that would not be ideal to swap bars and apply it that often oppose to every 10 seconds with lightning flood. Also I like to drop a lightning flood down on enemy while I burn them down during execute phase as well.

On the topic of spells they can incorporate for sorcerers. I think they should take the other morph of Daedric minefield out and replace it with something else. The one morph is only useful in pvp situations so maybe they can make one that can be useful for pve. Maybe a lightning sticky grenade that you can throw at a enemy and it attaches to them and continually shocks thems for x amount of time.

@Oh_Skrivva Also, you definately don't reach 23k dps against a boss, not with Overload.
I'm running trials every day and work together with the most experienced PvE Sorcerers and everyone posts their damage afterwards.

Important: I'm talking about Bosses here. For some reason, damage against bosses is much much lower than against normal trash mobs where you might have taken your astronomic numbers from, while you were spamming Overload for 2 seconds.
They reach 10k-14kish against Bosses like Valadriel, Mage and compareable bosses. While a Templar for example reaches over 18k by only spamming 1 ability, while Sorcerers needs 4 or more abilities at the same time to reach laughable 14k dps against such bosses.

it doesn't matter actually how much effort you have to put into something to reach good dps. But 1 ability resulting in 18k dps and 4 abilities resulting in 14k, is a fairly poor performance. Should be at least equal

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

Who post parses of trash mobs? And if you didn't read my post from earlier I said i never use overload ultimate in pve, but use overload in pvp. Reason why I don't use overload in pve is because I would have to save my ultimate through entire dungeon and use it only on bosses. Anyway, I'm not gonna have a pointless back and fourth argument with you about this. Because it seems like you have already made up your mind that sorcerer can't dps. Regardless, I am ok with the dps my sorcerer pulls in "boss" fights. Just hated to have the inconvenience of constantly changing skills in between fights. So you can continue on your "we need sorcerer buff campaign". Because if your successful in your endeavors, and sorcerers get a buff. That just makes my sorcerer do more dps. So I wish you the best.

Can you post your ST bars layout?
And maybe a screenshots of your dps after any meaningfull fight?

Thank you in advance

@ragespell, I'll try and see if any of my guilds want to run any trails tonight. So I can get a parse from one of those bosses. If not, I'll probably have to get a parse from one of the bosses of whatever todays vet pledge is.