What spell power number is workable for Magicka NB?

tinythinker · July 2015

While stamblades are still more popular in PvP, I like my Magicka NB in PvE and am wondering how much spellpower to shoot for to be effective. I upped it a bit lat night from 1.4K to 1780 and saw a very modest increase in damage (while sitting at 29K magicka with food).Teleport Strike is at 3854 dmg and Concealed Weapon is at 4942 dmg. Feels weak. Sure I can cloak a lot as a magicka build but it would be nice to have my attacks be a threat, even if only to those not wearing lots of nirnhoned armor.

chevalierknight · July 2015

A power level of over 9000......

chevalierknight · July 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

While stamblades are still more popular in PvP, I like my Magicka NB in PvE and am wondering how much spellpower to shoot for to be effective. I upped it a bit lat night from 1.4K to 1780 and saw a very modest increase in damage (while sitting at 29K magicka with food).Teleport Strike is at 3854 dmg and Concealed Weapon is at 4942 dmg. Feels weak. Sure I can cloak a lot as a magicka build but it would be nice to have my attacks be a threat, even if only to those not wearing lots of nirnhoned armor.

It not weak you're thinking magic nightblade is like stamblade you beat a stamblade as a magic by waiting till they blow there load then ult and pond them

Magic nightblades have better regen even when max magic build then a stamblade

Just wait for the burst to die down then boom love my mnb drop teleport get cripling grass it better the dot is powerfull

Erondil · July 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

While stamblades are still more popular in PvP, I like my Magicka NB in PvE and am wondering how much spellpower to shoot for to be effective. I upped it a bit lat night from 1.4K to 1780 and saw a very modest increase in damage (while sitting at 29K magicka with food).Teleport Strike is at 3854 dmg and Concealed Weapon is at 4942 dmg. Feels weak. Sure I can cloak a lot as a magicka build but it would be nice to have my attacks be a threat, even if only to those not wearing lots of nirnhoned armor.

Depends which kind of build you wanna play. For a tankytanky saptank with sb, spell power doesnt really matter and is usually very low. If you run a squishy light armor dps build, then imo you need at least 2000+ unbuffed if you run with dw since you need a huge burst to kill (full dmg setup go up to 2500 unbuffed) if you run destro, you can go for less, I would say above 1500.

tinythinker · July 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

It not weak you're thinking magic nightblade is like stamblade you beat a stamblade as a magic by waiting till they blow there load then ult and pond them

Magic nightblades have better regen even when max magic build then a stamblade

Just wait for the burst to die down then boom love my mnb drop teleport get cripling grass it better the dot is powerfull

Well, I would be dead long before a stamblade or any other character runs low on resources. I agree that magicka is better at sustain (which is why I like it for PvE) but sustain doesn't help me when I hit like a wet noodle and die soon after.

Erondil wrote: »

Depends which kind of build you wanna play. For a tankytanky saptank with sb, spell power doesnt really matter and is usually very low. If you run a squishy light armor dps build, then imo you need at least 2000+ unbuffed if you run with dw since you need a huge burst to kill (full dmg setup go up to 2500 unbuffed) if you run destro, you can go for less, I would say above 1500.

I've tried a somewhat sappy NB but never in PvP. I have a resto-destro weapon swap going but the latter, along with projectile class skills, is typically reflected right back at me. Mostly I just look for players near death in larger battles and reap them, but that gets old and is highly situational.

Hadn't been on my NB for a while and somehow took someone out really fast solo recently, but I am not sure what key combination it was since I was readjusting to the character.

chevalierknight · July 2015

If you die before a stamblade runs out you just need to look at your build. You're using healing word right? As a mb you should be using that i play stam and magic as a stam i hate fighting mb

Xeniph · July 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

While stamblades are still more popular in PvP, I like my Magicka NB in PvE and am wondering how much spellpower to shoot for to be effective. I upped it a bit lat night from 1.4K to 1780 and saw a very modest increase in damage (while sitting at 29K magicka with food).Teleport Strike is at 3854 dmg and Concealed Weapon is at 4942 dmg. Feels weak. Sure I can cloak a lot as a magicka build but it would be nice to have my attacks be a threat, even if only to those not wearing lots of nirnhoned armor.

It not weak you're thinking magic nightblade is like stamblade you beat a stamblade as a magic by waiting till they blow there load then ult and pond them

Magic nightblades have better regen even when max magic build then a stamblade

Just wait for the burst to die down then boom love my mnb drop teleport get cripling grass it better the dot is powerfull

As someone who has and plays both stam and magicka. I can tell you this is not quite correct.

Your good stam blades have just as much sustain as any magicka. Between good ones it comes down to who makes a mistake. Due to Nirn a stam blade has more burst, but a magicka has more healing. Concealed can't be dodge rolled though. But keep in mind a magicka nb has limited stam for CC breaks. It's actually a really fun match-up.

Mark target and timed stuns play a huge role in this fight.

As to the OP's question, if you have 250+ CP's 1800 md is a bit low, I'd shoot for 2k in stealth. Unless you are running a Whitestrakes/Siphoning Attacks sustain build. I personally run 2300 md and run drinks for 1500+ mag/stam reg with 20k health and 29k mag.

Untill nirn is fixed, when going against good players some fights will be rather long, regardless how much md you have.

my 2 cents.

Kobaal · July 2015

I switched from stam to magicka recently and I'm loving it.

Its got great potential for burst damage (very situational), and even better survivability/utility.

You need to up your max magicka as well as spell power to see some good damage numbers as some skills scale off both. I'm also running about the same spell power as you but have 36k Magicka with my Dark Elf NB.

tinythinker · July 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

If you die before a stamblade runs out you just need to look at your build. You're using healing word right? As a mb you should be using that i play stam and magic as a stam i hate fighting mb

Healing Ward, Annulmnet, Mirage... all at once. But again, it doesn't really matter what class. I get CC'd a lot to keep me out of stealth and then comes the 8-20K+ hits from various abilities and weapons. Either I finally manage to stealth away or I die.

Xeniph wrote: »

Mark target and timed stuns play a huge role in this fight.

As to the OP's question, if you have 250+ CP's 1800 md is a bit low, I'd shoot for 2k in stealth. Unless you are running a Whitestrakes/Siphoning Attacks sustain build. I personally run 2300 md and run drinks for 1500+ mag/stam reg with 20k health and 29k mag.

Untill nirn is fixed, when going against good players some fights will be rather long, regardless how much md you have.

my 2 cents.

Kobaal wrote: »

You need to up your max magicka as well as spell power to see some good damage numbers as some skills scale off both. I'm also running about the same spell power as you but have 36k Magicka with my Dark Elf NB.

I had Mark on originally but took it off to try other things. It gets purged a lot so timing is really critical. I can only get to 29K magicka atm with food, but my regen is fine. My PvE gear is 5 Seducer/3 Torug/2 Cyrodiil's Light, so I tried replacing
Seducer with 5 Martial Knowledge. My regular gear is purple VR14 but for my Martial experiment the gear is blue VR11-13 (cheap test) just to see what the basic difference is. I can get a bit more I'm sure making the Martial knowledge pieces min VR12 and upgrading to purple, but, I don't think it will really be a big jump.

I have had OK runs before even with my PvE gear in PvP, it just depends on the targets. But mostly people seem ready to detect, trap, and kill me.

Xeniph · July 2015

You are right, Mark can be situational. With that said, only one stam build usually has a purge on their bar, Templars. But it's worth using it on everyone at least to find out if they can/will purge it. I also wouldn't use food in pvp unless you have a lot of champ points (600+). The sustain drinks give far outweighs the damage/health and allows you more gear options.

As for gear, I wouldn't go more than 4 martial knowledge.

4 Martial- 4 Cyrodiil's Light-2 Adroitness-2 Torugs (DW set-up) This is a nice damage set and extremely easy to get ahold of.

4 Martial-3 Cyrodiil's Light-2 Adroitness-2 Torugs (Staff set-up)

There are many set combo's you can use, even more than Stam. You can mix and match damage sets with sustain and so forth. It's best if you gear towards your particular playstyle and build weaknesses, I have found. Rather than follow somones gear or spec choices identically.

Don't forget Inevitable/Proxy Det. I find these abilities priceless. I use Inevitabe in the ranged build, and Proxy in the melee.

Edit- Also do yourself a favor and use Detect+Major Sorcery+Magicka pots.

Eejit1331 · July 2015

Xeniph wrote: »

You are right, Mark can be situational. With that said, only one stam build usually has a purge on their bar, Templars. But it's worth using it on everyone at least to find out if they can/will purge it. I also wouldn't use food in pvp unless you have a lot of champ points (600+). The sustain drinks give far outweighs the damage/health and allows you more gear options.

As for gear, I wouldn't go more than 4 martial knowledge.

4 Martial- 4 Cyrodiil's Light-2 Adroitness-2 Torugs (DW set-up) This is a nice damage set and extremely easy to get ahold of.

4 Martial-3 Cyrodiil's Light-2 Adroitness-2 Torugs (Staff set-up)

There are many set combo's you can use, even more than Stam. You can mix and match damage sets with sustain and so forth. It's best if you gear towards your particular playstyle and build weaknesses, I have found. Rather than follow somones gear or spec choices identically.

Don't forget Inevitable/Proxy Det. I find these abilities priceless. I use Inevitabe in the ranged build, and Proxy in the melee.

Edit- Also do yourself a favor and use Detect+Major Sorcery+Magicka pots.

^^^This. But I also like 2 Cyrodiil light 2 worm cult 4 martial knowledge 2 turog 2 adroitness... With my DW set up and my resto is a master Instead of the turog. I go drinks, but I play on the ps4 where most people don't have nirn and I can hit like a mack truck. This next update will be sweet for magicka users.

PBpsy · July 2015

I am able to get 1950SP and 32k Magicka on my Dunmer NB pvp build using destro/resto.It can get a bit higher using DW but I do not like the idea .It goes to ~2200 most of the time since I try maintain Major Sorcery via Structured entropy up most of the time.

The viability of the spec is however debatable, especially when fighting nirn.

tinythinker · July 2015

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Will have to wait on Detonation until my NB is higher ranked, but I will look into some of the set ideas. With the awesome synergy between Argonian and Nightblades passives I will crush Ahh %@#^...

chevalierknight · July 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Will have to wait on Detonation until my NB is higher ranked, but I will look into some of the set ideas. With the awesome synergy between Argonian and Nightblades passives I will crush Ahh %@#^...

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tinythinker · July 2015

Well, I dropped another VR14 piece that was from the PvE gear and a VR13 test piece but also upgraded a few from VR11 to VR12 (crappy VR1 rings unchanged), and made sure the armor was all purple. The set up was 2 Torug, 2 Cyrodill's Light, 4 Martial Knowledge, which upped Spell damage to 1956. but the loss of magicka with purple food from 29K to 27K had a toll, and my damage amounts on the tooltips are slightly weaker than my previous mixed gear experiment. Doesn't look like I can afford a meaningful upgrade, so I will just go back to my all VR14 PvE armor.

EDIT: Weird, now my max magicka shows up as 27K or 28K when I weapon swap no matter which gear. Wonder if my add-on is screwing up. Hmm, /reloadui isn't making a difference. Oh well, either way, 500dmg increase is not what I was hoping for

PBpsy · July 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

Well, I dropped another VR14 piece that was from the PvE gear and a VR13 test piece but also upgraded a few from VR11 to VR12 (crappy VR1 rings unchanged), and made sure the armor was all purple. The set up was 2 Torug, 2 Cyrodill's Light, 4 Martial Knowledge, which upped Spell damage to 1956. but the loss of magicka with purple food from 29K to 27K had a toll, and my damage amounts on the tooltips are slightly weaker than my previous mixed gear experiment. Doesn't look like I can afford a meaningful upgrade, so I will just go back to my all VR14 PvE armor.

EDIT: Weird, now my max magicka shows up as 27K or 28K when I weapon swap no matter which gear. Wonder if my add-on is screwing up. Hmm, /reloadui isn't making a difference. Oh well, either way, 500dmg increase is not what I was hoping for

Magicka Flood or Magicka controller passives.

tinythinker · July 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Well, I dropped another VR14 piece that was from the PvE gear and a VR13 test piece but also upgraded a few from VR11 to VR12 (crappy VR1 rings unchanged), and made sure the armor was all purple. The set up was 2 Torug, 2 Cyrodill's Light, 4 Martial Knowledge, which upped Spell damage to 1956. but the loss of magicka with purple food from 29K to 27K had a toll, and my damage amounts on the tooltips are slightly weaker than my previous mixed gear experiment. Doesn't look like I can afford a meaningful upgrade, so I will just go back to my all VR14 PvE armor.

EDIT: Weird, now my max magicka shows up as 27K or 28K when I weapon swap no matter which gear. Wonder if my add-on is screwing up. Hmm, /reloadui isn't making a difference. Oh well, either way, 500dmg increase is not what I was hoping for

Magicka Flood or Magicka controller passives.

Didn't have Warlock on, might be because I took Swallow Soul off of the one bar to add Mark back on. Anyway, at some point when I as PvPing my spell power went up to 2100 for some reason and stayed that way for a long while (didn't see anything on buff track), so, who knows about that.

But I did at one point have a one on one with a magicka DK, and barely took any damage w/o stealthing. Got him low on health a couple of times but didn't have my execute (Impale) on the bar because I was using Structured Entropy. He eventually took off.