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In defense of the console version
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I know it's hip to bash the console version around here sometimes. But let me tell you, I came over from the PC and am having an absolute blast on the PS4 (for now anyway). For one thing, it seems to be much more populated than the PC. I am currently in the final vet zone for Caldwell's Silver (Alik'r desert, for vet EP), and there are players EVERYWHERE. I never have to wait long for a group to tackle any world boss or dolmen. When I played PC, I would sit around waiting for someone to help with world bosses forever. It got to the point where I finally just stopped bothering. Now, on the PS4, as soon as a boss or dolmen is up, within minutes there will be multiple players there. Now that could change, of course, but for right now I'm seeing a lot more people in the PS4 vet zones that I had seen in a long time on the PC.
I'm also digging the built in voice chat. I had a long interesting conversation last night with some random dude in my guild who just happened to be on the guild channel while I was playing. He was new to ESO and I helped him out with some tips. We talked a lot about all the previous ES games (he has been playing ES since Daggerfall) Really nice guy. Great stuff.
Graphics wise, I don't really notice much of a difference from my maxed out PC settings (in 1080p anyway). The water doesn't look quite as good. The draw distances are shorter, and you see a little more pop-in. But the differences are really trivial. And the frame rate is pretty rock solid, even in mass chaos. Went through the Lost City of the Na-Totambu group delve last night with probably 10 people running through together, spells flying, enemies slaughtered, mass hysteria! And I never really noticed a significant fps drop.
The only thing I find annoying is the lack of zone text chat and the ridiculous prices that people are asking for at the guild traders. But IIRC we saw the same kind of pricing in the early PC days too, before things stabilized and prices normalized a bit.
I'm also digging the built in voice chat. I had a long interesting conversation last night with some random dude in my guild who just happened to be on the guild channel while I was playing. He was new to ESO and I helped him out with some tips. We talked a lot about all the previous ES games (he has been playing ES since Daggerfall) Really nice guy. Great stuff.
Graphics wise, I don't really notice much of a difference from my maxed out PC settings (in 1080p anyway). The water doesn't look quite as good. The draw distances are shorter, and you see a little more pop-in. But the differences are really trivial. And the frame rate is pretty rock solid, even in mass chaos. Went through the Lost City of the Na-Totambu group delve last night with probably 10 people running through together, spells flying, enemies slaughtered, mass hysteria! And I never really noticed a significant fps drop.
The only thing I find annoying is the lack of zone text chat and the ridiculous prices that people are asking for at the guild traders. But IIRC we saw the same kind of pricing in the early PC days too, before things stabilized and prices normalized a bit.
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Pman85✭✭✭✭30 fps max with a smooth 15 fps average everywhere else? C'mon man...
at what point to the human eyes start to notice FPS skipping?
and besides @nastuug are you bashing someone for having fun? C'mon man...Edited by Pman85 on 15 July 2015 13:17Guildmaster - Order of Stendarr [XB1] - Apply today!
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Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.4 -
Stormvessel✭✭✭That's all good any everything. Enjoy it while you can. But you do realize that eventually the console versions will be dead while the PC version will live on. That's how it works on consoles. Kids will get bored and move on. PC will stay relevant for a much longer time.3 -
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Then that means your PC was sporting the same hardware limitations as the console. If you can't notice the difference in frame rate from PC to console, then perhaps you made the right decision, lol.0 -
Stormvessel✭✭✭I thought about moving to console just a few days ago but the thing that kept me from doing it was the knowledge that while PC may not be as populated now, it has a brighter future whereas the console versions will burn out quick.1
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if you play 60fps constantly, and it drops to 50/40/30 you SEE the difference......but if you are already playing 30fps, you dont see a difference because your eyes are used to playing at 30.
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if you play 60fps constantly, and it drops to 50/40/30 you SEE the difference......but if you are already playing 30fps, you dont see a difference because your eyes are used to playing at 30.
http://30vs60.com/
His PC was probably just poo. Would explain why he can't see the difference.
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Then that means your PC was sporting the same hardware limitations as the console. If you can't notice the difference in frame rate from PC to console, then perhaps you made the right decision, lol.
I had a i7 with a R9 290 GPU PC. All settings maxed at 1080p. Is that not a good enough PC for you?0 -
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Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.
Ok Bill Nye. Whats the difference between a low FPS and a high refresh rate, and what if the FPS goes above the refresh rate, and while you type out your answer, please make sure to pay attention to how fast and what direction the objects are moving compared to the background, miliseconds or FPS for refrence is good with me.
EDIT: also, talking about the difference to the human eye particularly in the 20-40 range would be a good place to start.
Lets see who the video professional is and who is bashing everyone on the forums becuase they are having fun.Edited by Pman85 on 13 July 2015 14:24Guildmaster - Order of Stendarr [XB1] - Apply today!
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✭Stormvessel wrote: »That's all good any everything. Enjoy it while you can. But you do realize that eventually the console versions will be dead while the PC version will live on. That's how it works on consoles. Kids will get bored and move on. PC will stay relevant for a much longer time.
Maybe. But I can tell you that there area I'm in right now is a LOT less dead on the PS4 than the PC version of it that I left behind when I transferred.1 -
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I wouldn't like that. Part of the reason (in fact, the only reason) in find Silver tolerable is that there aren't players everywhere, grabbing up resources and clogging dungeons.I know it's hip to bash the console version around here sometimes. But let me tell you, I came over from the PC and am having an absolute blast on the PS4 (for now anyway). For one thing, it seems to be much more populated than the PC. I am currently in the final vet zone for Caldwell's Silver (Alik'r desert, for vet EP), and there are players EVERYWHERE.
To each his own though ... good to see you're enjoying the crowds.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.
The difference exist, if your pc can run at 120 fps but you are using a 60 hz monitor well... i challenge you to notice the difference between 60 and 120...
Btw try play @ less than 25 frames for a couple of hours and then close your eyes. You'll see a noisy shuffle of light and i don't belive that is really healty if you see it...Signature0 -
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.
The difference exist, if your pc can run at 120 fps but you are using a 60 hz monitor well... i challenge you to notice the difference between 60 and 120...
Btw try play @ less than 25 frames for a couple of hours and then close your eyes. You'll see a noisy shuffle of light and i don't belive that is really healty if you see it...
Obviously if the FPS exceeds the refresh rate, you'll experience nasty screen tearing. That wasn't the point of the argument. The point was that PC runs a significantly higher quality, but OP claims little difference.0 -
Pman85✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.
The difference exist, if your pc can run at 120 fps but you are using a 60 hz monitor well... i challenge you to notice the difference between 60 and 120...
Btw try play @ less than 25 frames for a couple of hours and then close your eyes. You'll see a noisy shuffle of light and i don't belive that is really healty if you see it...
while i am not trying to start a big convo about FPS and the preception of it ( i might have already
) there is a big difference at that low of a FPS rate when it comes down to monitor type, display and the resoultion. If I may, what is your current settings? I am interested to see what you got going on over there. Guildmaster - Order of Stendarr [XB1] - Apply today!
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I wouldn't like that. Part of the reason (in fact, the only reason) in find Silver tolerable is that there aren't players everywhere, grabbing up resources and clogging dungeons.I know it's hip to bash the console version around here sometimes. But let me tell you, I came over from the PC and am having an absolute blast on the PS4 (for now anyway). For one thing, it seems to be much more populated than the PC. I am currently in the final vet zone for Caldwell's Silver (Alik'r desert, for vet EP), and there are players EVERYWHERE.
To each his own though ... good to see you're enjoying the crowds.
Being alone is fine in some respects, but not when you're trying to do group delves, dolmens, and world bosses. I'm sure some people are good enough to solo some of that, but I much prefer to do it in a group. It makes it a lot more fun (for me anyway) to run around with a group too.
I don't really need much in the way of resource nodes anymore, so I don't really notice that so much.
I do miss some of my add-ons. The skyshards add-on and Research Assistant in particular would be nice to have back again. But it's not the end of the world not to have them. And at least everyone is on an even playing field here. No one running around PvP with 300 add-ons giving them advantages over those with a vanilla UI.0 -
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I wouldn't like that. Part of the reason (in fact, the only reason) in find Silver tolerable is that there aren't players everywhere, grabbing up resources and clogging dungeons.I know it's hip to bash the console version around here sometimes. But let me tell you, I came over from the PC and am having an absolute blast on the PS4 (for now anyway). For one thing, it seems to be much more populated than the PC. I am currently in the final vet zone for Caldwell's Silver (Alik'r desert, for vet EP), and there are players EVERYWHERE.
To each his own though ... good to see you're enjoying the crowds.
Being alone is fine in some respects, but not when you're trying to do group delves, dolmens, and world bosses. I'm sure some people are good enough to solo some of that, but I much prefer to do it in a group. It makes it a lot more fun (for me anyway) to run around with a group too.
I don't really need much in the way of resource nodes anymore, so I don't really notice that so much.
I do miss some of my add-ons. The skyshards add-on and Research Assistant in particular would be nice to have back again. But it's not the end of the world not to have them. And at least everyone is on an even playing field here. No one running around PvP with 300 add-ons giving them advantages over those with a vanilla UI.
I miss those skyshards and research assistant add-ons as well. There are some rumors about them updating the console with a few "add-on" type features. would be interesting to see anything about this.Guildmaster - Order of Stendarr [XB1] - Apply today!
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CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭I also played on a decent spec'ed PC for beta and it still ran like crap, which is one of the reasons why I got the console version, besides not wanting to sit at the computer all the time. Its just a personal preference regardless of how long it lasts. (PC people: When quoting, insert expected rude put down comment here)
You'll have to wait for console people to chime in to get any welcoming or nice comments...
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✭✭✭✭✭I totally agree with the OP I am having a blast and will probably not be back to PC even though I have thousands invested in it.
Not for ESO anyway will still play other games on PC.
Yes it would be nice to have more info from the UI, but it is what it is.
Guild chat just works so well when in combat, even though area chat can be a pain.
The only real problems I have had is some fellow PC transfers acting like arsehats, but as time goes on
the new console players are getting stronger and starting to be able to give those VR14 DSA "champs" a run for their money.
Not all PC transfers are like that thank god, some are actively teaching how to take keeps, etc.
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I wouldn't like that. Part of the reason (in fact, the only reason) in find Silver tolerable is that there aren't players everywhere, grabbing up resources and clogging dungeons.I know it's hip to bash the console version around here sometimes. But let me tell you, I came over from the PC and am having an absolute blast on the PS4 (for now anyway). For one thing, it seems to be much more populated than the PC. I am currently in the final vet zone for Caldwell's Silver (Alik'r desert, for vet EP), and there are players EVERYWHERE.
To each his own though ... good to see you're enjoying the crowds.
Being alone is fine in some respects, but not when you're trying to do group delves, dolmens, and world bosses. I'm sure some people are good enough to solo some of that, but I much prefer to do it in a group. It makes it a lot more fun (for me anyway) to run around with a group too.
I don't really need much in the way of resource nodes anymore, so I don't really notice that so much.
I do miss some of my add-ons. The skyshards add-on and Research Assistant in particular would be nice to have back again. But it's not the end of the world not to have them. And at least everyone is on an even playing field here. No one running around PvP with 300 add-ons giving them advantages over those with a vanilla UI.
I never played ESO on the PC, but these sum up some major reasons I play on the PS4. I was somewhat surprised to hear that add-ons for showing damage and other unfair-ish advantages were not frowned upon. It would not be half the experience I wanted if I had to turn it into WoW to not be at a disadvantage to other players. Text chat is the only "feature" that I can remotely agree with being added, but even then the voice system is very capable.
I also won't be complaining if the game dies after several years once we all move on to different games, but with new content I could see this lasting for some time on consoles.
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✭I also won't be complaining if the game dies after several years once we all move on to different games, but with new content I could see this lasting for some time on consoles.
People are always saying how finicky console gamers are. But DCUO and FFXIV on the console seem to still be doing just fine. And Destiny players don't seem likely to be abandoning the game anytime soon. If a game is good, console players will stick with it just like PC gamers. There will always be those in the launch day crowd who move on, but that's true on the PC side too.
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✭Could see the game's population diminishing sufficiently over time to warrant merging all currently separate servers into one, including consoles with PC (if possible/feasible).Crotchety Old Man Guild
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RadicalSpirit✭✭✭Consoles are great all around, forget just console version of ESO, I really have no idea why PC guys try to degrade consoles so much other than trying to flex their e-peens.
The good thing about any MMOs on console currently is that, not only is the player base far bigger than PC, it's also less diversified as there are only a few MMOs, unlike PC where there's probably 100s of MMOs to choose from.
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Are you trying to claim that a human can't notice the difference between 15/30/60/120 fps? Very good joke, indeed.
http://xcorr.net/2011/11/20/whats-the-maximal-frame-rate-humans-can-perceive/0 -
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✭Could see the game's population diminishing sufficiently over time to warrant merging all currently separate servers into one, including consoles with PC (if possible/feasible).
It isn't. Microsoft is firm about not letting their players interact with PS4 or PC players (nor were they willing to wave their network fee to make sure the players aren't paying 30 a month for one game - one of the speculative reasons for ESO going B2P). This has been cited as a reason that xbox won't be getting FFXIV by their producer.1 -
Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭Stormvessel wrote: »That's all good any everything. Enjoy it while you can. But you do realize that eventually the console versions will be dead while the PC version will live on. That's how it works on consoles. Kids will get bored and move on. PC will stay relevant for a much longer time.
Uhh eso pc was on its last legs after what a year? B2p and failing to sell copies at a 75% discount is a pretty good indication of this...0 -
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✭Mighty_oakk wrote: »Stormvessel wrote: »That's all good any everything. Enjoy it while you can. But you do realize that eventually the console versions will be dead while the PC version will live on. That's how it works on consoles. Kids will get bored and move on. PC will stay relevant for a much longer time.
Uhh eso pc was on its last legs after what a year? B2p and failing to sell copies at a 75% discount is a pretty good indication of this...
The effect caused by PC development slowing into stagnation due to console development.1