Remove crouching stealth

Phantorang · May 2014

Pewpie wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

I freaking love this system !! It gives a lot of tactical gameplay, stop whining and use it to your advantage

The skills i propose would make it even MORE TACTICAL.

Use magelight to your advantage. Or is the issue that you dont want to spend an ability slot on that ability?

Keep it as it is!

It makes it possible to go far behind the enemy lines and take scrolls etc.

Again, use magelight.

Knootewoot · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

The PvP in this game is basically zerg based, with some poor v10 sobs trying to gank people joining up on the zergs. Making a zerg completely stealth and sneak around on the map is laughable.

Doesn't magelight cancel out stealth, just have to cast it strategically, and voila.

Exactly. I have been in many groups (which didn't stealth much either but run on horses) who found smaller enemy groups who where stealthing using mage light. Also i have lots of detection potion up to 24 m away and i mark the 1st target i see and the entire stealthgroup was killed.

I get ganked too when i try to meet up with my group. But it doesn't need to get removed/nerfed or be a class specific skill

isengrimb16_ESO · May 2014

No. For PvE, it's nice to be able to sneak around if you don't want to fight everything.

I would NOT like sneak to be changed just because of PvP BS garbage. I got sick of WoW because of all the nonsense that goes on over there because of people whining about PvP. Maybe you should go to their forums, and talk about how much you hate to see other people fly away from your ganking.

Zabus · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

All classes having sneak/stealth is ridiculous. Remove crouch stealth! It is a LOL in pvp that anyone can stealth so easily on the maps. One of the most powerful abilities to become INVISIBLE should NOT be a FREE ability on the CTRL button!

Um you do realise that if they did that they would have to redo the Khajiit racials as well, since Khajiit get a boost to stealth.

As a NB Khajiit, a nerf like this would further break my already broken class.

Lazarus_Long · May 2014

Pewpie wrote: »

...fangirls...fangirls...FREE FOR EVERYONE...

I get free fangirls? RIGHT ON! Do they come with pompoms or do I need to supply those?

Pewpie wrote: »

...AN ARMY MARCHING UP TO YOU 12m ON A FIELD...fangirls: I DID NOT GET GANKED and this is not a whine. I am a NB that can sprint in stealth myself....

Instead of abusing your fellow gamers and calling them names you really should try writing up your arguments essay style. Then ask someone you know to poke holes in your arguments so you don't have to be angry when strangers do it for you. Once you plug those holes then come back and post the finished product and we will happily poke any holes we can in it. If we can't then you will have convinced me and quite a few others that your concerns are valid and that things need to change.

As it is now, this thread is a few pages long and all you are doing is repeating yourself and calling us names. I don't think there will be much more in the way of constructive dialog here.

Volla · May 2014

jesus ... be glad all can sneak. no one has the advantage to sneak or not.
it is tactical. and is just as i love it and like it.

i love the whole pvp system, tho shield needs little bit of nerf on the bash still

Volla · May 2014

for all you poor broken NB out there. the game isnt broken you just dont play it right. look at this guy

http://youtu.be/cOdWMYVQIVo
my friend meet him a week ago. he took 6 ppl in total.

IIxGH0STxII · May 2014

Stealth is fine as it is. There is absolutely no need to change it. Making it a skill and take away one of the valuable slots in the ability bar is just plain stupid. My guess is you're just getting killed too often in PVP by sneaky players. My tip: communicate with other players in PVP. In most situations, they can tell you where these gankers are. And when you get killed by a solo, don't try to get past the same spot on your horse again, because he will probably still be there and kill you again.

SwampRaider · May 2014

OP your thread is rediculous.

As a hardcore PVPer I can tell you a secret:

Having trouble with stealth players? pop a damn detection potion

Still having trouble with players? Have mage light from the mages guild on your bar.
Those are some great anti stealth tactics.

In order to combat zergs, a smaller group NEEDS to be stealthed so they can execute abilities in tandem at the right moment.

This thread is totally ridiculous. Stealth is an essential part of this game now, and is built within the tactics that people use.

I'm betting that you got owned by a stealthed raid group.

OP, you do realize if stealth was removed, khajit/bosmer racials will have to be reworked and that opening attack stealth crits will be gone. A few item sets will need to be reworked and changed too.

This is clearly a Learn 2 play issue. Move along people!

Spiritreaver_ESO · May 2014

Pewpie wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Hear hear, i also disagree with OP.

If you don't like the PvP/PvE with these mechanics then maybe Wildstar is more your game.

1)Because I dislike one thing (AN ARMY MARCHING UP TO YOU 12m ON A FIELD) i should try some *** wow-clone, or go play wow since "i am obviously" a wow player?

2)And for you fangirls: I DID NOT GET GANKED and this is not a whine. I am a NB that can sprint in stealth myself. I have never had problems with anyone stealthing around, they probably have more problems with me. It is a straight idea to remove a really idiotic single player mechanics from ES that shouldn't have been in a multiplayer pvp game.

3)The PvP in this game is basically zerg based, with some poor v10 sobs trying to gank people joining up on the zergs. Making a zerg completely stealth and sneak around on the map is laughable.

Classy, more than a few call you on putting forth a bad idea and you go straight to name calling.

That said, moving on

@1-Personally, i don't care what you like or don't like. Where i speak up is when you or anyone else makes an ill-conceived proposal based on purely personal preference without any thought as to the consequences if that suggestion were actually implemented.

You can throw out as many silly ideas as you like, but you better be prepared when ppl call you on them.

@2-My main is a Nightblade as well, which really has me confused. Why would you put forward bad ideas like this in the first place if NB is your main? Seriously, why would you? You'd be shooting yourself in the foot.

And if you weren't the victim of a mass-ganking what really prompted you to make this thread? Because i don't buy that you are in a huff because a game that is largely PvE with an isolated(large it may be, but it is still isolated) PvP area has game mechanics derived from its single-player series heritage.

@3-You have issues with PvP in this game? Welcome to the club. But just cause one part of the game currently isn't doing it for you, doesn't give you the ability throw out potentially game-wrecking suggestions in a vacuum devoid of any opposing views.

Spiritreaver_ESO · May 2014

DBL-post.

Vikova · May 2014

This will not happen. I do not understand why people insist on demanding things that are simply absurd.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

All classes having sneak/stealth is ridiculous. Remove crouch stealth! It is a LOL in pvp that anyone can stealth so easily on the maps. One of the most powerful abilities to become INVISIBLE should NOT be a FREE ability on the CTRL button!

Um you do realise that if they did that they would have to redo the Khajiit racials as well, since Khajiit get a boost to stealth.

As a NB Khajiit, a nerf like this would further break my already broken class.

I know, but OP was suggesting removing stealth from other classes, which would pigeonhole Khajiit's.

I was pointing out this flaw in his idea. Personally I think OP has a bee in his bonnet over PVP stealth, especially as Magelight is a counter.

Carnage2K4 · May 2014

Pewpie wrote: »

Remove crouch stealth!

Sithisvoid · July 2015

Carnage2K4 wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

Remove crouch stealth!

F7sus4 · July 2015

Pewpie wrote: »

Remove crouching stealth

SUGGESTION:
Instead add invisibility spell for mage guild

I rarely come across such utterly dumb ideas. The 2 obvious unacceptable consequences of that would include:
1) Prevent Stamina builds from being any good at stealth (Mages Guild abilities are Magicka).
2) Take away unique NB class ability away from them.

Really bad fan fiction.

Pewpie wrote: »

make it an aoe invis (for your group) and moving outside of the the spell range ("dome") will make you visible again.

Dude, this is not Dungeons & Dragons 3.0/3.5 RPG game.

Pewpie wrote: »

Add a "hide" ability into fighter/undaunted that works similar to the current crouching mechanics. Allow movement, but VERY slow. Much slower than current crouch speed.

Being hidden is a part of maneuver/escape mechanic. This idea would render the whole purpose of stealthing worthless.

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Sagarra05 · July 2015

bad idea..

Calluna · July 2015

Holy Necro. Why do people do this?

Blutengel · July 2015

Can we please stop asking to remove things? This one is just silly.

booker21 · July 2015

No way. This is elder scrolls game after all.

F7sus4 · July 2015

Blutengel wrote: »

Can we please stop asking to remove things? This one is just silly.

This is all you can do. If you ask to remove the short-sighted complainers, you'll infringe forum rules, even if it's the best actual solution.

Deadfinger6 · July 2015

*sneaks up behind OP* *whispers* "I luv ta sneak" *slides away*

King Bozo · July 2015

The answer to the question is NO. Next topic...let's take out sprint it drains to much stam

Sausage · July 2015

Its exactly why ESO is so great. They could however fix NB's stealth.

BlackEar · July 2015

Funniest thread in a while.

Thank you.

Dradhok · July 2015

Not only do I disagree with your post, you are being demeaning to women. Please make your point without name calling and making inappropriate gender specific statements.

Junipus · July 2015

*** necro trolls.

No.

Now go away.

ch.ris317b14_ESO · July 2015

Pewpie wrote: »

All classes having sneak/stealth is ridiculous. Remove crouch stealth! It is a LOL in pvp that anyone can stealth so easily on the maps. One of the most powerful abilities to become INVISIBLE should NOT be a FREE ability on the CTRL button!

SUGGESTION:

Instead add invisibility spell for mage guild, make it an aoe invis (for your group) and moving outside of the the spell range ("dome") will make you visible again. Making it possible to hide a bunch of people under a "dome" of invisibility on the map. Counter it with the possibility to see it when in range (longer range than stealth) for magelight ability.

Add a "hide" ability into fighter/undaunted that works similar to the current crouching mechanics. Allow movement, but VERY slow. Much slower than current crouch speed.

IMPORTANT thing is that if you wish to sneak/stealth, you should SLOT an ability for it!

Even NB should. It should be their shadow cloak. Make the cloak ability work infinite out of combat, and let it last until you get hit. If you are in combat it should work like now, only for 2.5s when activated.

EDIT:
For you "fangirls" (yes I call you all girls), since a BIG ISSUE for you is that everyone should be able to stealth and sneak around since it is some kind of ES "legacy" feature (I couldn't care less myself). How about let everyone crouch and sneak, BUT if you are too many people within a certain area, the range to detect you increase. So a zerg sneaking around with 50 people, might be detectable 100m, but a single person is harder to see. So if you want to hide and sneak, don't stand around an army of people.

LMAO

Somebody misses being a WoW Rogue....

Lnin0 · July 2015

I haven't played a lot of PVP yet as I just turned level 15. I've done a few visits with mu NB but found I am seriously underpowered and under knowledge to survive encounters on my own. I didn't help I had no idea what I was doing when I singed up for M home campaign and picked a DC slaughter house. Being DC, I realize my error now but without 1500 tickets have no recourse.

Anyway, can someone just explain hoe stealth currently works? I do try to stealth if I see someone approaching but have no idea if I am just dark to them or completely invisible. At what range can they see me and what is difference if I cast my NB invisibility spell? One time I did see a small crew of alliance sitting at our gate in stealth mode. Was odd because the were moving around, darkened characters, buy looked to be sitting in chairs and skeletons.

Also, at what range do I spot enemies who are stealthy and the than mage lite how can I improve this?