Just how do I die in pvp in 1 second ?

jrkhan · May 2015

Yes, I totally agree that what you are saying might be possible.
I think there's an old saying for this though (Hanlon's razor):
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I'd have to go to quite a bit of time and effort to work out exactly what packets to delay and by how much.
Is it possible I (or someone less scrupulous) would do that? Sure...
But is it more likely that someone would go to the trouble of doing so (and these wily persons also covering their tracks), vs it just randomly happening?
I'm not sure if that's a question that can easily answered one way or the other.

Some of the same arguments you made for macros apply here: Lets assume I alter time stamps/delay certain packets (or whatever) to try to create a burst of attacks that bypass client side checks.. the same things that could randomly cause this to occur, could just as easily randomly cause my scripted sequence to fail. Latency being random is a real thing.

So, not only do we have a clever, patient, and immoral hacker.. they also have to deal with the same ISP/Public Internet/Server lag the rest of us do.. so their hacks (at least the theoretical 'trying to string together burst attacks' hack) would be unreliable anyway.

I think we are mostly in agreement though. Some things are not checked server side (in particular, some in game physics, and timing between events within a certain threshold).

k2blader · May 2015

Armitas wrote: »

This is the second thread reporting the same thing. I have not experienced this yet but those who have should download the addon CLS (combat log statistics), go into the settings and turn on the time stamp and put CLS in it's own window. When you die take screenshot of your CLS with the time log and the death recap and post it with the names rubbed out.

Below is an example of CLS and how you can use it to timestamp the death recap. (this is not a pic of what people are experiencing.)

I really need to remember to do this with the death recap still on the screen. I always hit "E" too fast-- probably due to a learned behavior to rez before the keep flags. Sometimes I could've sworn the death recap showed different numbers than CLS but I couldn't prove it. :-P

trimsic_ESO · May 2015

Yesterday, we've reported a player multiple times as s/he was probably using a hack to hit people several times in the same second.

The scenario was always the same: 5 lethal arrows fired by the same player in just one second.

It has happened multiple times, on different players, when the server did not lag, the ping was correct (100 ms), and 50+ FPS client side.

It's not the first time that I can see people using multiple attacks in a row. I can understand that we can get hit 2 or 3 times in a row with a cancel animation technique, but 5 times in the same second... Same for people launching 2 or 3 meteors in the same second, and I'm not talking about the proc version of the meteor.

The problem is not that some people use cheat programs; the problem is that more and more people use them, thus encouraging other people to do so, while at the same time ZOS seems to have no serious plan to put an end to all this mess.

This is obviously compromising the equity of the combats in Cyrodiil, and therefore compromising the future of Cyrodiil if nothing is done to stop that.

BrassRazoo · May 2015

It's easy .. Wrecking Blow from Stealth then anything else. Boom Dead.

Saft · May 2015

crowfl56 wrote: »

This problem seems to becoming more and more common.

In pvp only, I am attacked by an enemy player, we fight for a small amount of time, they win or I win.

Next encounter with a different player and I don't even get a hit in, just see the attack and up pops the window telling me I was hit with 2 wreaking blows, a shield charge, and a few other attacks, all within 1 second.

How is this done ?

2 WB and other attacks between within 1 second should be impossible.

Jitterbug · May 2015

Sindala wrote: »

You really don't know?
Then you don't belong in PvP.
3:)

You really answer like that?
Then you don't belong on forums.

technohic · May 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

This is obviously compromising the equity of the combats in Cyrodiil, and therefore compromising the future of Cyrodiil if nothing is done to stop that.

lol Isn't the first thing nor the only thing that is doing that and likely wont be the last. Game is buggy and always has been. Then they go and on top of things already being bugging, make dramatic combat changed in animations and removal of skill caps while tweaking armor values and traits. What could possibly go wrong?

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

Maybe we could get some kind of official response here, is this the new as intended, and since almost everyone is running around with two handers what is broken with them, masses of players don't migrate to one type of weapon or skill unless it is over powered or has some kind of advantage..

Come on Dev's throw us a little info here please.

Sensesfail13 · May 2015

Heh I said something in guild chat yesterday, that I dont believe any of my guild thought they would ever hear from my mouth... I was one shotted, standing up, unmounted, shield blocking, and one shotted. I have always been one of those players that could wade into battle and just cause general chaos as a DK tank... although this has been very much nerfed since 1.5 I do enjoy being able to support other players by charging into 1vXXX situations. 35khp/23kstam/13kmagicka, 32k spell resist/25k armor with a ridiculous amount of block cost reduction and just general tankiness and I was hit with 37k dmg entirely bypassing all of my mitigation with a focused aim and ambush... and the focused aim never even had an animation, the guy just bolted out of nowhere while I was blocking hit me with ambush and BAM dead.
Although I love this game I am so ridiculously sick of all of the 1.6 changes that came about. I see that a few changes, such as the champion point system etc., have a lot of promise, however, the mechanic changes and general character builds have become way too chaotic as people gain more and more champion points (not to mention the face numbingly painful amount of time it takes to grind out levels and champion points by doing quests in this game). I feel that I would be a lot happier as a PVPer AND a PVEer if they would just revert many of the changes in 1.6 back to 1.5 statistics, fix buggy class skills, have CAPS on our wep/spell dmg and crit ( oh and many other things like spell resist/spell erosion caps actually working ) than to keep floundering away with the horritastic changes that have made this game what it is today.

Sensesfail13 · May 2015

Also, although I thought it was macro users or cheaters in PVP, as I play more and more recently out of a hopeless desire for anything other than PVE quest grinds over and over, it is becoming increasingly apparent that there are just TOO MANY people doing these things for it to be a cheat and not leak out to the public. It is definitely something server/client side that is not being addressed, and needs to be. But that is just my two-cents.

sadownik · May 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Also, although I thought it was macro users or cheaters in PVP, as I play more and more recently out of a hopeless desire for anything other than PVE quest grinds over and over, it is becoming increasingly apparent that there are just TOO MANY people doing these things for it to be a cheat and not leak out to the public. It is definitely something server/client side that is not being addressed, and needs to be. But that is just my two-cents.

I really think that macros have something to do with it. And since its allowed (or at least it seems so) it is propably spreading.

cozmon3c_ESO · May 2015

i kept having this happen to me last night, i would be instant killed by a lethal arrow from sneak. on my death recap it says lethal arrow, lethal arrow. how the hell are both lethal arrows hitting me at the same time to where i cant cc break and dodge the next one?

or this one, ambush, incapacitating strike instantly with no global cooldown in between. cool game zos.........

ambush soul harvest no global cool down in between, maybe, nightblades can couple instant damage skills while during the teleport of there ambush?

Armitas · May 2015

1.6 is by far the worst update I have ever experienced in the PvP of any game. And the best part is, and by best I mean worst, they dropped it on our door step like a problem child and walked away to work on console for months. So we get to enjoy... all of this... until console gets released, and then likely even later because console is going to come out with a bunch of bugs that need to be fixed.

rfennell_ESO · May 2015

I've been seeing this as well, and being that it's from the same people over and over and never from some random person during "lag" it's very likely another exploit.

Quite a few nightblades doing this.

You will see a death log of:
attack1
attack1
attack2
attack2

and it's all bam you're dead.

If you have ever seen the dude whose name is the 5th song of side 2 from the Beatles Abbey Road album, it's obvious it's an exploit as he spams all these attacks at once and there is nothing you can do at all.

Mostly EP, and it don't take a lot of effort to figure what guild it's likely part of.

sadownik · May 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

I've been seeing this as well, and being that it's from the same people over and over and never from some random person during "lag" it's very likely another exploit.

Quite a few nightblades doing this.

You will see a death log of:
attack1
attack1
attack2
attack2

and it's all bam you're dead.

If you have ever seen the dude whose name is the 5th song of side 2 from the Beatles Abbey Road album, it's obvious it's an exploit as he spams all these attacks at once and there is nothing you can do at all.

Mostly EP, and it don't take a lot of effort to figure what guild it's likely part of.

Same here. NB EP on EU server. I get knocked down and then 1 sec or less - im dead. Death recap 3-5 melee skills and attacks. Strange.

trimsic_ESO · May 2015

technohic wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

This is obviously compromising the equity of the combats in Cyrodiil, and therefore compromising the future of Cyrodiil if nothing is done to stop that.

lol Isn't the first thing nor the only thing that is doing that and likely wont be the last. Game is buggy and always has been. Then they go and on top of things already being bugging, make dramatic combat changed in animations and removal of skill caps while tweaking armor values and traits. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, I don't care if some attempts to balance the game or if some attempts to give more depth to the combat system do not always give the results the designers expected. Changes can be made and the game be fine tuned.

But I do care when more and more people use hacks and cheats to gain an unfair advantage in Cyrodiil. These people must be banned or the game will die.

technohic · May 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

This is obviously compromising the equity of the combats in Cyrodiil, and therefore compromising the future of Cyrodiil if nothing is done to stop that.

lol Isn't the first thing nor the only thing that is doing that and likely wont be the last. Game is buggy and always has been. Then they go and on top of things already being bugging, make dramatic combat changed in animations and removal of skill caps while tweaking armor values and traits. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, I don't care if some attempts to balance the game or if some attempts to give more depth to the combat system do not always give the results the designers expected. Changes can be made and the game be fine tuned.

But I do care when more and more people use hacks and cheats to gain an unfair advantage in Cyrodiil. These people must be banned or the game will die.

Oh, I agree. But it will take them way to long to do anything about any of it to make a difference before the next thing shows up. Right now, they probably are not doing anything because no one who can reproduce it is reporting it. Or maybe someone has and the fix just isn't in but it always takes a long time around these parts to see results.

Dark Synergy · June 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

FENGRUSH received PMs from AD members that he will be reported for the higher powers for using macros yesterday.

They clearly have no experience with the Lord FENGRUSH and his indomitable fury.

I fought you quite a bit yesterday(and the word indomitable never came to mind) and never saw anything shady from you but a member of your alliance who I presume you were grouped with was one of the people who was doing something to me and members of my group that isn't possible by any game mechanics I'm aware of.

From full shields/health to dead in a second all from melee attacks in the 5-7K range and no stealth involved. I wasn't recording and didn't bother with a screenshot since I'll need to experience something continually and inexplicably before I'll accuse anyone due to the insane amount of bugs in this game. However, when my DK wearing heavy armor dies in less than a second to 5+ melee attacks from a single person along with myself and several other members of my guild something isn't right.

Heavy armor isn't worth it, too much armor pen if you stack right. I've already tested my burst against full heavy armor stacking resistance and my numbers barely change.

Bouvin · June 2015

Let me count the ways...