Nearly all templars offensive abilities either do nothing or can be avoided by anyone with 2 hands.

fare well Welkynd, i quit allready. Hope Templars may 1 day regain some strength but i doubt it.
Its not good PvP anymore when everything consists of 2 classes and tons of dodgrolls and chasing only.
Since 1.6 i spend 90% of the time running after sorcs for hours and get 1 shot as chasing a forever dodgerolling Nightblade that 1shots me too^^

We ARE the sun...although i think they took the "8 minutes for light to reach the earth" fact a bit to literally with the speed of some of our projectiles.

This is a really good discussion so far. Great points being raised all around. I have just a few points to add.

The really good Templars know how to utilize class skills that have unique capabilities. Just watch Divine Cross and you can see that he makes great use of abilities like Eclipse, when fighting sorcerors for example. People also greatly underestimate skills like Channeled Focus, which add 400 magicka regen to your sheet, and it costs practically nothing.

Also, Templars have access to the only magicka-based charge. Now that this ability is finally getting fixed, it allows for some interesting new magicka melee builds. I've been playing around with using Proximity Det and Toppling Charge, and it really catches people off-guard. When people get low and start trying to dodge, boom, Radiant Destruction. It can't be dodged or reflected, it's really a wonderful ability.

Zenimax indicated that they were looking into increasing the projectile speed of Dark Flare and Sun Fire. That would help significantly, particularly Dark Flare. As someone else mentioned, this ability has high burst potential, but it is too easily dodged or mitigated.

Good Templar builds are possible, but need to utilize unique class abilities to their advantage. If you are comparing your Templar to a Sorc using some cookie-cutter destro dps build, yes you will fail.

@DanTeales_Inferno Where is that *** LOL button!!

@Soris, I agree, I can dish out pretty solid damage and kill people easily, I lack defense agaisnt multiplie opponents. The screwing of sunshield really did us no favors; honestly my best way of surviving is just mashing my breath of life until someone else gets there to help lol.

I refuse to be a vampire just to have an escape/defense. Like we both said, we're supposed to be a stand-your-ground class like DK, but instead its sorc/NB=burst/escape classes, DK=stand your ground class, Templar... be-sure-to-have-allies class?

As for the people wanting to quit Temp... Honestly like I said originally I love this class, am still having loads of fun with it. I also enjoy being the underdog, and overcoming challenges. As fun as the other classes are its hard for me to spend time on my alts becuase I enjoy Temp so much.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Also, Templars have access to the only magicka-based charge.

http://esohead.com/skills/18342-teleport-strike

dont forget about chains

Soris wrote: »

Well, for me, dps is not much of a problem. Defence is the real problem.(1v1 dueling aside) When you got jumped by 2-3 enemy for example, you rarely can survive (without exceptions like nirn armor and dodge roll based builds)

It wasnt a problem before 1.6 where you can perfectly defend yourself in various ways.

Sure meta has changed and TTK decreased further for everyone. But it affects Templars and DKs more than other 2 classes since they have no escape. Originally they are "stand your ground" type of classes which is no longer possible due to the new meta.

Thus being a vampire for mist form or dodge roll build is kinda necessary for every templar solo roaming build. And that sucks hard imo

All you said is 100% true and is excatly the way i evolved just to survive in this Gankfest Cyrodil is.

Since Blazing shield is weak now compared to ppls dps it does not work against more then 1 enemy.

That force us into
A: Werewolf/vampire Stamina dodge roll defense.
B: Vampire magica + resto staff Ward.

I tested both, and i like vampire magica the most.

I am not sure what to do but making 1 of our sun shield morphs base on magica could help to prop magica templars defence. But still we would be sitting ducks in PVP, just like DK. So i dunno perhaps problem lies at NB and Sorcs, if Sorcs did't have a spammable BoL and NB could't cloak out of almost everything, PVP would be alot more balanced.

There is still one build that lets you survive. I'll call it the blazing-shield-detonation build but since I do not share my build, I won't describe it ;-)