I must admit it is a little annoying, not that they gave people their spell crit back, that was good that they listened, but that they removed the 4% heal bonus at 4 set as it was very useful as a tank.
Looks like i will have to transfer my twilight embrace for the vampires kiss set 4 pieces, so not the end of the world as the set bonus is still available, albeit on another set

You're now looking at 5 crafted sets with +spell damage and 3 with +% spell crit chance. There are 3 with +% healing taken, (one of the better tank bonuses) and the strongest healing taken is a DPS set.

To keep it in-line with what it was, put
3: +4% healing taken
4: +4% spell crit

You'll still get the spell crit (earlier now than the 5), and more of the survuivability without the errant spell damage. As well, people who grabbed the 3 piece healing taken still get some +% healing there.

The problem is there are plenty of spell casting dps sets and plenty of melee dps sets that are really nice. This game lacks any decent tanking set, that gives good survivability. Most of the tanking 5 set bonuses are lame and not worth it. Twilights embrace was nice, it increase healing taken and increased health. It was great, then they gave into dps and gave them more of what they wanted. Thanks.

Anastasia wrote: »

Streiter wrote: »

The problem is there are plenty of spell casting dps sets and plenty of melee dps sets that are really nice. This game lacks any decent tanking set, that gives good survivability. Most of the tanking 5 set bonuses are lame and not worth it. Twilights embrace was nice, it increase healing taken and increased health. It was great, then they gave into dps and gave them more of what they wanted. Thanks.

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Good point Streiter.

"This game lacks any decent tanking set, that gives good survivability."

And what does this say to you?? It certainly wasn't done haphazardly -- its an issue they have been hard at work on for awhile now. Pretty sure the exact stats they moved around were looked at fairly closely.

So yes, its making a statement that is in line with the way ZOS wants melee to function. Period. ;o/

Solid point to you.

This is true ZOS has an idea on how they want melee to function. Not sure how I feel about this, on how they want tanks to work. But its still a good game, I love the way this game looks and feels. I doubt I will be leaving this game for another anytime soon. However I have fitted a few sets together, taking 5 peices of Hist Bark and 2 or 3 peices of whitestrake. Seems solid so far.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Streiter wrote: »

The problem is there are plenty of spell casting dps sets and plenty of melee dps sets that are really nice. This game lacks any decent tanking set, that gives good survivability. Most of the tanking 5 set bonuses are lame and not worth it. Twilights embrace was nice, it increase healing taken and increased health. It was great, then they gave into dps and gave them more of what they wanted. Thanks.

Hist Bark is an amazing tanking set.

This, I'm lost. Between Hist Bark and Whitestrake's, just WHY was Twilight's Embrace better? Neither being sardonic nor so much as mildly cynical, I'm honestly interested.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Hist Bark is an amazing tanking set.

Hist Bark is one of the two decent tanking sets.

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

This, I'm lost. Between Hist Bark and Whitestrake's, just WHY was Twilight's Embrace better? Neither being sardonic nor so much as mildly cynical, I'm honestly interested.

Twilights Embrace gave bonuses to health and how much you are healed for. Which means as a tank you become much easier for the healer to heal. Which is amazing. But they changed it so it was meh and more fit for spell casters and not tanks.

PBpsy wrote: »

Because it was perceived as a Magicka build nerf which in truth is what all these guys really care about.

By "these guys" are you speaking of me and others? or the devs? I am not sure how it works for me, but I can see how it goes for the devs, as dps magicka users are the most loved or so it seems, and they have a lot of solid and good sets to choose from.
DPS Stamina users are getting some much needed love and are having some nice sets made, which is good they needed it. I hope this continues.
As for tanks, honestly there is only two really good sets for them, there is a few ok sets but no where near as many tanking sets as there are dps sets.
Best two tanking sets in my opinion are Hist Bark and Footman

Streiter wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Hist Bark is an amazing tanking set.

Hist Bark is one of the two decent tanking sets.

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

This, I'm lost. Between Hist Bark and Whitestrake's, just WHY was Twilight's Embrace better? Neither being sardonic nor so much as mildly cynical, I'm honestly interested.

Twilights Embrace gave bonuses to health and how much you are healed for. Which means as a tank you become much easier for the healer to heal. Which is amazing. But they changed it so it was meh and more fit for spell casters and not tanks.

PBpsy wrote: »

Because it was perceived as a Magicka build nerf which in truth is what all these guys really care about.

By "these guys" are you speaking of me and others? or the devs? I am not sure how it works for me, but I can see how it goes for the devs, as dps magicka users are the most loved or so it seems, and they have a lot of solid and good sets to choose from.
DPS Stamina users are getting some much needed love and are having some nice sets made, which is good they needed it. I hope this continues.
As for tanks, honestly there is only two really good sets for them, there is a few ok sets but no where near as many tanking sets as there are dps sets.
Best two tanking sets in my opinion are Hist Bark and Footman

This is already pretty old news.
But for the sake of History.
Twilight's embrace original.
3 piece- 10%healing recieved
5 piece- 5%spell crit
-The set was nice entry level magicka DPS(although at 5 piece).
-It was great for magicka based self healing tanks in a mix of light and heavy since you more healing and critical healing also .I loved my Twilight's 5H/2L and 2H/5L Sap Essence NB tank.

Twilight's aberration in PTS.
-2-xxx- health
-3-xxx-health
-4-4%-healing taken-
-5-10%-healing taken.
-Nerf to magicka builds since 5% possible spell crit was lost outside of Aether set. Every stamina person was ecstatic on the forum even though the set was *** for stamina.
-Nerf to tanking also since if you only wanted extra healing you had to get 5pieces and +health wasn't that great with the caps.
-Truly unfair for people that already had this set since the majority of people were going for the 5 peice bonus.

Twilight now.
-2-xxx-health
-3-4%crit
-4-x-Spell damage
-5-10% healing received.
- Good set for people that want to do magicka DPS and do not have trial sets.
- Pretty good option for a self healing tanky build but there are better options now.
- it is almost equal to the PTS set anyway the crit and spell damage more then makes up for the 4% extra heals especially if you are also doing some self healing,

Willow's original
-3-5% crit
-5-20% regen in daytime in combat

A purely magicka dps set.DPS and sustain all in one. Although the sustain part was kind of crappy and most people had 3 pieces.

Willow's crap in PTS
2-3-4-x to H/M/S recovery
5-15% recovery
-just a crappy recovery set. It was a bad set compared to other sets period.

Willow's Path Now
2-x Magicka
3-4% spell crit
4-10% recovery
5-15% recovery
Remains primarily the same as the original with 3 piece giving spell crit.
Any tanking value the pts set had is mostly still there.

In conclusion the sets have maintained their original purpose. Magicka based DPS boost without the need for gear that one gets at the end of a trial . The value it had for some tanky builds is still there. For most tanks the other sets are better though. When I was speaking about 'they' I was referring to those that are all about nerfing magicka builds instead of actually making stamina and hybrids viable.They pretty much managed to make ZOS abandon the hope for viable hybrid builds already. We will soon have a game of purely stam tanks and magicka glass canons but that is another story...

And no, there isn't too much dps at the moment otherwise people wouldn't fail AA at Wisp mother because they do not have enough dps.

Nightreaver wrote: »

Streiter wrote: »

By "these guys" are you speaking of me and others? or the devs? I am not sure how it works for me, but I can see how it goes for the devs, as dps magicka users are the most loved or so it seems, and they have a lot of solid and good sets to choose from.

And by lots, you mean ONE?
Before the change was made there were 4 Crafted sets with Weapon Crit but only one with Spell Crit and that set favored Physical damage and Weapon Crit.
So yeah, I can see how you would think DPS Magicka users were much more loved.

Let's not forget that in order to get spell crit to a viable level we also have to sacrifice 2 skill slots.