Can we talk about the undodgeable attacks?

SRIBES · April 2015

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Skafsgaard · April 2015

I think it's ok that you cannot roll out of everything, but it needs balance and attention like everything else

Soulac · April 2015

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Surprise Attack is dodgeable, but not out of cloak.
Jabs is an "AoE" if i remember right, so Whip is just buggy in my opinion.
But I don´t mind if DKs can ignore dodge, it´s not like they have other options to catch a Stamina enemy (besides petrify)

Skafsgaard · April 2015

Soulac wrote: »

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Jabs is an "AoE" if i remember right, so Whip is just buggy in my opinion.

Yes, jabs/sweeps is a cone like aoe.

TheBucket · April 2015

You will not dodge my CW. Ive had it go through dodge %95 of the time

Kypho · April 2015

Use ward... ohh nm...

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Roll dodge is too powerful? dont joke. There are several thing what too powerfull, and roll dodge is at the bottom end.

Derra · April 2015

Kypho wrote: »

Use ward... ohh nm...

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Roll dodge is too powerful? dont joke. There are several thing what too powerfull, and roll dodge is at the bottom end.

I guess that really depends on which side of the fence you are standing.

Gorthax · April 2015

Kypho wrote: »

Use ward... ohh nm...

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Roll dodge is too powerful? dont joke. There are several thing what too powerfull, and roll dodge is at the bottom end.

tell that to the perma roll dodgers who spin in circles around you well dodging only to WB between EVERY roll dodge lol but you are right, perma dodge rolling is not OP as *** right now........everything is fine!

Domander · April 2015

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

I don't think it's a bug.

also don't forget to add curse and other spells, and those are ranged.

roll dodge is so powerful though, that dodge spam needs a counter and these are it.

Sypher · April 2015

Soulac wrote: »

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

Surprise Attack is dodgeable, but not out of cloak.
Jabs is an "AoE" if i remember right, so Whip is just buggy in my opinion.
But I don´t mind if DKs can ignore dodge, it´s not like they have other options to catch a Stamina enemy (besides petrify)

Concealed Weapon is not dodgeable in all shapes and forms. Surprise Attack is, besides out of cloak.

Both whip morphs are not dodgeable.

Jabs is an aimed single target attack that hits everything in front of you, it shouldn't be dodgeable.

Soulac · April 2015

Yap, tested it a while ago with a Magicka NB.
While he dodged my attacks, all I could dodge were his light attacks.
Not even Shuffle works against concealed weapon.
If I remember right, teleport Strike also ignores dodge, not quite sure about it tho.

Cody · April 2015

If players in LA can stack shields relentlessly with no viable counter other than insane burst damage, roll dodging should have that same luxury.

If not that, then make all the skills that hit players while roll dodging go thru damage shields.

Balance must be achieved.

OdinForge · April 2015

People dodge my surprise attacks all the time.

Ezareth · April 2015

ChannelTribes wrote: »

There are several 'single target' skills in PvP that you can not roll dodge. I understand that roll dodge is a little bit to powerful in it's current state but that conversation is for a different thread. The fact that people can cast these skills for less than the cost of a roll dodge and hit anyone roll dodging is pretty broken and needs a fix.
Examples of some skills that do this:
Whip (DK)
Jabs (templar)
Surprise attack (NB)
What do you think about this bug?

The last thing templars need is another nerf.

I get hit through dodge roll all the time with Wrecking Blow, Crit charge, Ambush and Invasion. These abilities are supposedly dodge-able yet they often are not.

I think if ZoS focused on fixing all of these bugs first, and then focused on finding ways to prevent people from exploiting unlimited resources, balance would be a much easier thing to achieve than it is otherwise.