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EskimoBrother · March 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Except that's not what Pancake said. He/she is claiming people in "zone" complain they're getting wrecked. Frankly I have never seen that and I play a lot. And if your claim is Pancake is referring to people in a group is he/she referring to LB then?

Please explain solo build to me. I find this fascinating this claim that everyone needs to rework their build to dance to someone else's tune. No group held my hand when I built my NB. And frankly, many people don't have 24 hours to devote to the game to tailor make a whole new build to suit what someone else thinks they should be. A lot of us on DC have jobs and kids and businesses and other commitments. We play this game to have FUN. Not to be elitist snobs who pick apart one another and try to dictate their build.

Games by nature are supposed to be fun. Appreciate the variety in builds and try to use them for the benefit of the group. That's what teamwork is about-finding out what build and what player works here or there. Got a stealthy archer? Send him to 50/50 a keep or take a resource. Got some good healers? Direct them to pop siege bubbles and heal with all their might. It's not that complicated.

DC does work together from time to time. But yeah sometimes we are outnumbered and we do wipe. My goodness doesn't everyo
ne?? And the negative nitpicking against one another serves no purpose. Calling your own faction out on a forum and trying to shame them also serves no purpose.

The group comment was my own, not pancakes.

Not looking to write out novels on my phone so ill be short here. My comment about solo builds has nothing to do with elitism or holding hands or whatever other crap you call it. Im simply talking about the players that you have to ask to run purge/maneuvers/caltops/CCs so they can help the group and they are unwilling to do so because it ruins their wonderful builds. You dont have to play 24 hours a day to run one of these abilities. You have to be able to adapt to the situation, not just keep doing the same *** over and over.

Jauriel · March 2015

Nukeem, Forgive me but this comment:

""No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"

appears to be a direct slam on YOU since you're one of the most vocal about the cheating/exploiting.

No person is above challenge. Even Pancake. And I am merely saying the infighting within DC is our biggest downfall.

Jauriel · March 2015

EskimoBrother wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Except that's not what Pancake said. He/she is claiming people in "zone" complain they're getting wrecked. Frankly I have never seen that and I play a lot. And if your claim is Pancake is referring to people in a group is he/she referring to LB then?

Please explain solo build to me. I find this fascinating this claim that everyone needs to rework their build to dance to someone else's tune. No group held my hand when I built my NB. And frankly, many people don't have 24 hours to devote to the game to tailor make a whole new build to suit what someone else thinks they should be. A lot of us on DC have jobs and kids and businesses and other commitments. We play this game to have FUN. Not to be elitist snobs who pick apart one another and try to dictate their build.

Games by nature are supposed to be fun. Appreciate the variety in builds and try to use them for the benefit of the group. That's what teamwork is about-finding out what build and what player works here or there. Got a stealthy archer? Send him to 50/50 a keep or take a resource. Got some good healers? Direct them to pop siege bubbles and heal with all their might. It's not that complicated.

DC does work together from time to time. But yeah sometimes we are outnumbered and we do wipe. My goodness doesn't everyo
ne?? And the negative nitpicking against one another serves no purpose. Calling your own faction out on a forum and trying to shame them also serves no purpose.

The group comment was my own, not pancakes.

Not looking to write out novels on my phone so ill be short here. My comment about solo builds has nothing to do with elitism or holding hands or whatever other crap you call it. Im simply talking about the players that you have to ask to run purge/maneuvers/caltops/CCs so they can help the group and they are unwilling to do so because it ruins their wonderful builds. You dont have to play 24 hours a day to run one of these abilities. You have to be able to adapt to the situation, not just keep doing the same *** over and over.

Yeah you edited your original comment to dumb it down to "run caltrops and maneuvers". I pst'd you so we don't have to continue to air our dirty laundry here. DC takes enough crap and we don't need to dish it out on one another as well.

But I will state publicly part of what I pst'd to you. Maybe it's because I am a woman and I ask nicely and have fun with my groups but I have NEVER EVER encountered one DC player who refused to run alliance skills to help the group. And I pick up and train pugs by the dozens. Hundreds even if you go back as far as November. Never has a DC player refused to run siege bubble when I asked or Mage runes or what have you. 99% of the DC people I encounter are eager to participate and very enjoyable to have in TS. Never have I encountered a DC player who came in my group and said "you don't pay my sub fee so screw you I won't play as a team member".

That is just flat out absolutely fictitious. Most nights I am super proud of my teams and overall I think DC tries hard when we aren't fighting amongst each-other.

Sacadon · March 2015

Generally, between those I've played and interacted with in-game, as well as the tone of their forum posts I've definitely observed some different personality-related themes for each faction.

For example, regarding a scale from casual (positive version), easy going and laid back to most hardcore extreme in terms of competitive gameplay-mindset, I would order the factions: DC, AD then EP respectively. Of course this doesn't mean there's no one laid back in EP or someone extremely competitive-minded in DC. That's why I'm calling these themes.

I believe this particular example theme does translate pretty consistently for how the organized guilds conduct themselves while in Cyrodiil.

The point I'm trying to make is... I believe that 2/3 of the organized PvP guilds in Cyrodiil are highly competitive-minded and naturally will always use any/all known advantages in order to accomplish their version of a "win" above and beyond making it a priority to reduce lag. I understand and am at peace with this because I'm part of the 2/3.

Ever wonder why EP seems ok playing in ping responses of 500+... It's not because they're always winning... I speculate it's because they care about winning over the play experience itself. Emphasis on the speculation with this specific one.

Jauriel · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

skarvika wrote: »

It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.

Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.

When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"

Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.

Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.

You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?

Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.

If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.

First I want to say, I don't speak for LB at all and this is purely coming from me.

It sounds like I struck a nerve here. That comment wasn't directed at you but if the shoe fits...

Now, I feel that it is stupid that I have to explain myself with that comment but here it goes. If you found a build that is working for you, then use it. I'm not saying anything about people that come up with builds instead of using the meta-builds, my comment is directed towards the players that are getting wrecked over and over and refusing to learn from their mistakes.

Everything I'm saying here isn't anything I haven't said in /zone before and I find it ironic that you have this strong of a stance against what I said since I also see you in caps all the time calling DC worthless when they weren't where ever your group was at the time and you wiped.

What happens in zone should stay in zone. I think you need to keep our dirty laundry there. What struck a nerve is your fallacious claim that DC never works together. We do and when we do we rock the map.

Do you think this whole "you wiped" thing is a huge insult, pancake? EVERYONE wipes. Even you. Even LB. Even LOM. Even tom hanks and crew. All wiping means is you're out there trying and playing.

Jauriel · March 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Generally, between those I've played and interacted with in-game, as well as the tone of their forum posts I've definitely observed some different personality-related themes for each faction.

For example, regarding a scale from casual (positive version), easy going and laid back to most hardcore extreme in terms of competitive gameplay-mindset, I would order the factions: DC, AD then EP respectively. Of course this doesn't mean there's no one laid back in EP or someone extremely competitive-minded in DC. That's why I'm calling these themes.

I believe this particular example theme does translate pretty consistently for how the organized guilds conduct themselves while in Cyrodiil.

The point I'm trying to make is... I believe that 2/3 of the organized PvP guilds in Cyrodiil are highly competitive-minded and naturally will always use any/all known advantages in order to accomplish their version of a "win" above and beyond making it a priority to reduce lag. I understand and am at peace with this because I'm part of the 2/3.

Ever wonder why EP seems ok playing in ping responses of 500+... It's not because they're always winning... I speculate it's because they care about winning over the play experience itself. Emphasis on the speculation with this specific one.

I have to agree with most of what you said. I do think it is important to try to find a healthy balance between organization and fun, though. If you run your guild like the gestapo but win all the time-you win at what cost? I remember a few months ago I pst'd an ep player and found out he was a 14 year old kid. I wanted to hear his perspective and his experience. You know what he said to me? "I am chopped liver here, pretty much cannon fodder". But yet he still runs with ep and he's on every night in Cyrodiil. Guess he's having fun but that's not my idea of fun.

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

skarvika wrote: »

It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.

Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.

When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"

Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.

Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.

You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?

Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.

If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.

First I want to say, I don't speak for LB at all and this is purely coming from me.

It sounds like I struck a nerve here. That comment wasn't directed at you but if the shoe fits...

Now, I feel that it is stupid that I have to explain myself with that comment but here it goes. If you found a build that is working for you, then use it. I'm not saying anything about people that come up with builds instead of using the meta-builds, my comment is directed towards the players that are getting wrecked over and over and refusing to learn from their mistakes.

Everything I'm saying here isn't anything I haven't said in /zone before and I find it ironic that you have this strong of a stance against what I said since I also see you in caps all the time calling DC worthless when they weren't where ever your group was at the time and you wiped.

What happens in zone should stay in zone. I think you need to keep our dirty laundry there. What struck a nerve is your fallacious claim that DC never works together. We do and when we do we rock the map.

I never said DC doesn't work together.

Do you tbink this whole "you wiped" thing is a huge insult, pancake? EVERYONE wipes. Even you. Even LB. Even LOM. Even tom hanks and crew. All wiping means is you're out there trying and playing.

I was just pointing out how you have caps-lock-induced rage fits in zone about how bad DC is when you do wipe but then you can call me a "traitorous scrub" when I say something negative about DC on the forum. Read my comment again.

Sacadon · March 2015

Also, how a guild conducts itself in terms of gameplay integrity is still relevant and is of high importance to me. I prefer PvP because it is specifically gameplay both against and with real people vs. an opportunity to be an a-hole without consequences. It would be interesting to see how a games dynamics changed if guilds were required to meet each other face-to-face after a month of gameplay and all the impressions had a chance to settle.

Sacadon · March 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

Generally, between those I've played and interacted with in-game, as well as the tone of their forum posts I've definitely observed some different personality-related themes for each faction.

For example, regarding a scale from casual (positive version), easy going and laid back to most hardcore extreme in terms of competitive gameplay-mindset, I would order the factions: DC, AD then EP respectively. Of course this doesn't mean there's no one laid back in EP or someone extremely competitive-minded in DC. That's why I'm calling these themes.

I believe this particular example theme does translate pretty consistently for how the organized guilds conduct themselves while in Cyrodiil.

The point I'm trying to make is... I believe that 2/3 of the organized PvP guilds in Cyrodiil are highly competitive-minded and naturally will always use any/all known advantages in order to accomplish their version of a "win" above and beyond making it a priority to reduce lag. I understand and am at peace with this because I'm part of the 2/3.

Ever wonder why EP seems ok playing in ping responses of 500+... It's not because they're always winning... I speculate it's because they care about winning over the play experience itself. Emphasis on the speculation with this specific one.

I have to agree with most of what you said. I do think it is important to try to find a healthy balance between organization and fun, though. If you run your guild like the gestapo but win all the time-you win at what cost? I remember a few months ago I pst'd an ep player and found out he was a 14 year old kid. I wanted to hear his perspective and his experience. You know what he said to me? "I am chopped liver here, pretty much cannon fodder". But yet he still runs with ep and he's on every night in Cyrodiil. Guess he's having fun but that's not my idea of fun.

Absolutely agreed, it's important to find that balance. Yep, interesting how the spectrum of maturity levels plays a factor as well. It means much more to me to know I won with skill and intelligence vs. unfair advantage. To be clear though, I didn't replace my nirhoned 2H sword when I heard of the bug. So I'm not going to such extreme efforts to be straight, just not going extreme to be crooked either.

Jauriel · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

skarvika wrote: »

It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.

Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.

When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"

Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.

Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.

You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?

Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.

If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.

First I want to say, I don't speak for LB at all and this is purely coming from me.

It sounds like I struck a nerve here. That comment wasn't directed at you but if the shoe fits...

Now, I feel that it is stupid that I have to explain myself with that comment but here it goes. If you found a build that is working for you, then use it. I'm not saying anything about people that come up with builds instead of using the meta-builds, my comment is directed towards the players that are getting wrecked over and over and refusing to learn from their mistakes.

Everything I'm saying here isn't anything I haven't said in /zone before and I find it ironic that you have this strong of a stance against what I said since I also see you in caps all the time calling DC worthless when they weren't where ever your group was at the time and you wiped.

What happens in zone should stay in zone. I think you need to keep our dirty laundry there. What struck a nerve is your fallacious claim that DC never works together. We do and when we do we rock the map.

I never said DC doesn't work together.

Do you tbink this whole "you wiped" thing is a huge insult, pancake? EVERYONE wipes. Even you. Even LB. Even LOM. Even tom hanks and crew. All wiping means is you're out there trying and playing.

I was just pointing out how you have caps-lock-induced rage fits in zone about how bad DC is when you do wipe but then you can call me a "traitorous scrub" when I say something negative about DC on the forum. Read my comment again.

Nope. Not reading your belly aching again because truthfully I have a headache and you are exacerbating it.

Again with the wipe comment. Try some originality on for size some time, pancake. I seem to recall a time or two when my cappin achieved victories (with pugs being somewhat organized) and you praised me in zone. But whatev. Clearly you're knickers are in a twist. If DC is so awful why do you stick around??

Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.

Tragedy, this is beyond negative. It is inflammatory and straight up fictitious. Just apologize for it and amend it and let's move on.

Jauriel · March 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Also, how a guild conducts itself in terms of gameplay integrity is still relevant and is of high importance to me. I prefer PvP because it is specifically gameplay both against and with real people vs. an opportunity to be an a-hole without consequences. It would be interesting to see how a games dynamics changed if guilds were required to meet each other face-to-face after a month of gameplay and all the impressions had a chance to settle.

I am down for that. Heck even a DC wide Facebook page would be nice.

Jauriel · March 2015

here is a heart for you Pancake. Let's kiss and make up. Are you truly a guy because I always thought you were a girl?

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

If DC is so awful why do you stick around??

Because my favorite color is blue. I have no choice.

Jauriel wrote: »

here is a heart for you Pancake. Let's kiss and make up. Are you truly a guy because I always thought you were a girl?

you wot m8?

Editted to match your edit

Jauriel · March 2015

Roechacca · March 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Generally, between those I've played and interacted with in-game, as well as the tone of their forum posts I've definitely observed some different personality-related themes for each faction.

For example, regarding a scale from casual (positive version), easy going and laid back to most hardcore extreme in terms of competitive gameplay-mindset, I would order the factions: DC, AD then EP respectively. Of course this doesn't mean there's no one laid back in EP or someone extremely competitive-minded in DC. That's why I'm calling these themes.

I believe this particular example theme does translate pretty consistently for how the organized guilds conduct themselves while in Cyrodiil.

The point I'm trying to make is... I believe that 2/3 of the organized PvP guilds in Cyrodiil are highly competitive-minded and naturally will always use any/all known advantages in order to accomplish their version of a "win" above and beyond making it a priority to reduce lag. I understand and am at peace with this because I'm part of the 2/3.

Ever wonder why EP seems ok playing in ping responses of 500+... It's not because they're always winning... I speculate it's because they care about winning over the play experience itself. Emphasis on the speculation with this specific one.

At least you get it .

Cody · March 2015

I suck at PvP:D

Cody · March 2015

Sometimes i get annoyed at FOTM users. Its not because they use FOTM builds, its because some of them think they are the best in the world at ESO PVP due to it, and talk down to others because of their misplaced arrogance.

Its those kinds of people that tick me off, regardless of faction. Its a game for sithis sake, must one act like such a selfish inconsiderate arrogant piece of crap over a video game?

/sigh

frozywozy · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

Every patch AD and EP players all do their very best to run the same builds , blob up and spam what evers the FOTM ability ? You never see "OMG DC STOP !" Using what ever threads cause DC players just don't FOTM in the majority . Even when out numbered . Does faction choice have something to do with old pvp players being more independent and unique rolling DC ? Is it just new pvp players that join EP and AD that run these cookie cutter builds that spam lagtastic ultimates that ruin other enjoyment ? I just wonder if a lack of maturity or originality some how influences players into these "Guilds" that promote this behavior . Sure there's no "official rule" about any of it but aren't some of you old enough to have some loose code of fair fair play and community enjoyment ? Or are you just so wrapped up in "winning" a mmo (that's a 20 year old joke now) that you just don't care about anyone but the people in your chat channel ?

Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .

The constructive part ....

It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .

You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .

Just think about it .

So what you're trying to do is to convince people to do more ambushes / snipes / wrecking blows spam instead of aoe to help the performances ..?

Roechacca · March 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Also, how a guild conducts itself in terms of gameplay integrity is still relevant and is of high importance to me. I prefer PvP because it is specifically gameplay both against and with real people vs. an opportunity to be an a-hole without consequences. It would be interesting to see how a games dynamics changed if guilds were required to meet each other face-to-face after a month of gameplay and all the impressions had a chance to settle.

Ya things would change alright . Everyone would have to put their cellphones in lead boxes and let my pal Jimmy run a wire tap and bug check squelchy over everyone while I look over my shoulder for the 5-0 and try to act like I'm paying attention to a guild summit . It be a hoot ....

Jauriel · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

If DC is so awful why do you stick around??

Because my favorite color is blue. I have no choice.

Jauriel wrote: »

here is a heart for you Pancake. Let's kiss and make up. Are you truly a guy because I always thought you were a girl?

you wot m8?

Editted to match your edit

Now now, no need to get confrontational, sweet cheeks.

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2015

Try going to a pvp server that isn't TB.

Jauriel · March 2015

Cody wrote: »

Sometimes i get annoyed at FOTM users. Its not because they use FOTM builds, its because some of them think they are the best in the world at ESO PVP due to it, and talk down to others because of their misplaced arrogance.

Its those kinds of people that tick me off, regardless of faction. Its a game for sithis sake, must one act like such a selfish inconsiderate arrogant piece of crap over a video game?

/sigh

I feel so much love in this short and sweet post. My headache might even be dissipating.

Roechacca · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Every patch AD and EP players all do their very best to run the same builds , blob up and spam what evers the FOTM ability ? You never see "OMG DC STOP !" Using what ever threads cause DC players just don't FOTM in the majority . Even when out numbered . Does faction choice have something to do with old pvp players being more independent and unique rolling DC ? Is it just new pvp players that join EP and AD that run these cookie cutter builds that spam lagtastic ultimates that ruin other enjoyment ? I just wonder if a lack of maturity or originality some how influences players into these "Guilds" that promote this behavior . Sure there's no "official rule" about any of it but aren't some of you old enough to have some loose code of fair fair play and community enjoyment ? Or are you just so wrapped up in "winning" a mmo (that's a 20 year old joke now) that you just don't care about anyone but the people in your chat channel ?

Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .

The constructive part ....

It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .

You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .

Just think about it .

So what you're trying to do is to convince people to do more ambushes / snipes / wrecking blows spam instead of aoe to help the performances ..?

No I'm not trying to convince or expect any change . Read the full post . But if you know that half your group has meteor slotted and you know the second they all cast it an the server backs up like a clogged toilet , don't thing I'm not gonna point at the toilet you just wrecked in our public bathroom Sir Clogsalot .

frozywozy · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Every patch AD and EP players all do their very best to run the same builds , blob up and spam what evers the FOTM ability ? You never see "OMG DC STOP !" Using what ever threads cause DC players just don't FOTM in the majority . Even when out numbered . Does faction choice have something to do with old pvp players being more independent and unique rolling DC ? Is it just new pvp players that join EP and AD that run these cookie cutter builds that spam lagtastic ultimates that ruin other enjoyment ? I just wonder if a lack of maturity or originality some how influences players into these "Guilds" that promote this behavior . Sure there's no "official rule" about any of it but aren't some of you old enough to have some loose code of fair fair play and community enjoyment ? Or are you just so wrapped up in "winning" a mmo (that's a 20 year old joke now) that you just don't care about anyone but the people in your chat channel ?

Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .

The constructive part ....

It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .

You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .

Just think about it .

So what you're trying to do is to convince people to do more ambushes / snipes / wrecking blows spam instead of aoe to help the performances ..?

No I'm not trying to convince or expect any change . Read the full post . But if you know that half your group has meteor slotted and you know the second they all cast it an the server backs up like a clogged toilet , don't thing I'm not gonna point at the toilet you just wrecked in our public bathroom Sir Clogsalot .

Allright so if I got it right this time, that means the following :

One massive group of EP and DC are fighting inside Bleakers. When it comes to flags, EP and DC start spamming ults like meteors on flags and the latency goes all the way up to 4-5k for most people and nothing work anymore.

People who read your post should stop spamming abilities and simply run out of Bleakers to decrease the lag ?

Is that what you're asking ?

Gl with that.

Meteor is bugged at the moment, devs confirmed it and it's under investigations.

Just have to wait until they find what's wrong with it.

Roechacca · March 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Every patch AD and EP players all do their very best to run the same builds , blob up and spam what evers the FOTM ability ? You never see "OMG DC STOP !" Using what ever threads cause DC players just don't FOTM in the majority . Even when out numbered . Does faction choice have something to do with old pvp players being more independent and unique rolling DC ? Is it just new pvp players that join EP and AD that run these cookie cutter builds that spam lagtastic ultimates that ruin other enjoyment ? I just wonder if a lack of maturity or originality some how influences players into these "Guilds" that promote this behavior . Sure there's no "official rule" about any of it but aren't some of you old enough to have some loose code of fair fair play and community enjoyment ? Or are you just so wrapped up in "winning" a mmo (that's a 20 year old joke now) that you just don't care about anyone but the people in your chat channel ?

Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .

The constructive part ....

It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .

You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .

Just think about it .

So what you're trying to do is to convince people to do more ambushes / snipes / wrecking blows spam instead of aoe to help the performances ..?

No I'm not trying to convince or expect any change . Read the full post . But if you know that half your group has meteor slotted and you know the second they all cast it an the server backs up like a clogged toilet , don't thing I'm not gonna point at the toilet you just wrecked in our public bathroom Sir Clogsalot .

Allright so if I got it right this time, that means the following :

One massive group of EP and DC are fighting inside Bleakers. When it comes to flags, EP and DC start spamming ults like meteors on flags and the latency goes all the way up to 4-5k for most people and nothing work anymore.

People who read your post should stop spamming abilities and simply run out of Bleakers to decrease the lag ?

Is that what you're asking ?

Gl with that.

no

Jauriel · March 2015

Great now I will have the imagery of a doo doo filled clogged toilet in my mind every time my game locks up.

Sacadon · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

Also, how a guild conducts itself in terms of gameplay integrity is still relevant and is of high importance to me. I prefer PvP because it is specifically gameplay both against and with real people vs. an opportunity to be an a-hole without consequences. It would be interesting to see how a games dynamics changed if guilds were required to meet each other face-to-face after a month of gameplay and all the impressions had a chance to settle.

Ya things would change alright . Everyone would have to put their cellphones in lead boxes and let my pal Jimmy run a wire tap and bug check squelchy over everyone while I look over my shoulder for the 5-0 and try to act like I'm paying attention to a guild summit . It be a hoot ....

LMAO, yeah it might get a little tense.

Roechacca · March 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

Also, how a guild conducts itself in terms of gameplay integrity is still relevant and is of high importance to me. I prefer PvP because it is specifically gameplay both against and with real people vs. an opportunity to be an a-hole without consequences. It would be interesting to see how a games dynamics changed if guilds were required to meet each other face-to-face after a month of gameplay and all the impressions had a chance to settle.

Ya things would change alright . Everyone would have to put their cellphones in lead boxes and let my pal Jimmy run a wire tap and bug check squelchy over everyone while I look over my shoulder for the 5-0 and try to act like I'm paying attention to a guild summit . It be a hoot ....

LMAO, yeah it might get a little tense.

If the cops ask anything it's not a "Gang" it's a "Guild" an be quiet until my attorney arrives .

krim · March 2015

Cody wrote: »

Sometimes i get annoyed at FOTM users. Its not because they use FOTM builds, its because some of them think they are the best in the world at ESO PVP due to it, and talk down to others because of their misplaced arrogance.

Its those kinds of people that tick me off, regardless of faction. Its a game for sithis sake, must one act like such a selfish inconsiderate arrogant piece of crap over a video game?

/sigh

The way i see it is. If someone wrecks me i assume his build is better then mine. Now its up to me to go change my build so i dont get wrecked. I'm pretty sure thats how this game worked. I dont know about now since i just drop down siege, way stronger then anything i can do.

Roechacca · March 2015

krim wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Sometimes i get annoyed at FOTM users. Its not because they use FOTM builds, its because some of them think they are the best in the world at ESO PVP due to it, and talk down to others because of their misplaced arrogance.

Its those kinds of people that tick me off, regardless of faction. Its a game for sithis sake, must one act like such a selfish inconsiderate arrogant piece of crap over a video game?

/sigh

The way i see it is. If someone wrecks me i assume his build is better then mine. Now its up to me to go change my build so i dont get wrecked. I'm pretty sure thats how this game worked. I dont know about now since i just drop down siege, way stronger then anything i can do.

It's not always the build . I've killed VR 14's on my level 15 DK . Sometimes it's timing , using the environment and sometimes people are just having a bad day . You might be surprised at what can be done with different builds if you incorporate all these factors .