i think that was me, i remember your name. If so, sorry, i just press buttons and things happen.

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

i think that was me, i remember your name. If so, sorry, i just press buttons and things happen.

Ha! Yes, you smeared the floor with me. Did the fear hit you at all? You must be pushing the buttons perfectly because I could never find a hole in those shields. It really was a tragedy. What did you kill me with if you don't mind me asking.

Well, I have my Hardened ward on my main dps bar so I can keep it up as often as I notice it goes down. I did get the fear, but I've gotten into a habit of streaking away as soon as I break it. You had the right idea, drain the sorcs stamina and you will have free reign to drop CC on them.

As for what I killed you with...it really comes down to timing my burst. Wait for my frags to pop, notice when block isn't up, charge a heavy attack + crushing shock animation cancel then throw the frag. Huge burst when it goes off right

My downfall as a sorc who has a similar play style to pancake is when I run out of stamina and get CC 'd without maximum shields up. I always run out of stamina too as I don't chug tripots.

Big magicka pool + good magicka regen + cost reduction enchants + spamming the hell out of hardened ward = LOL

Chances are good, however, that sorc has a thin stamina pool. Try to force some knockdowns/cc breaks and see how that goes. Good chance hes gonna have to bail after 2 or 3 because you just made him vulnerable.

Then again I sorta know this player on the field, and thats the experience I have had vs him. Hard as hell to wear down directly, but the moment im on my dk popping talons and shield charges on him he has to bail out. =D

Youd get much the same result vs my sorc actually.

That being said, the same magicka spamming build that can tank all that damage, can also run away a bit too good >=/

Anyone tried destructive mage set plus mage light? Bet that makes a huge freaking shield with sorcs scaling off magicka for shields.

As a DK I kind of feel like the global 15% shield nerf was a little too global if you know what I mean. My shields are based on health so if I boost them my dps goes down. A sorc can boost their shield and dps simultaneously. Light armor is complete crap making shields our only means of defense and it's globally nerfed.

Lets face it the global Cyrodiil nerf was a bandaid to push 1.6 out but it really seems too disproportionate to be so global.

You can't burst down a good sorcerer as a magicka NB in 1.6.5 lol. It's not possible after recent nerfs. Lost gap closer, lost sneak dmg on magicka class skills and light armor being bad in general. If you want burst you're forced to use a stamina build.

Not saying that you cant beat a sorcerer as a magicka built NB. In a 1v1 dragged out duel you can obviously win by spamming similar tools like Harness Magicka and Healing Ward to absorb all the sorcerers spells. Strife to self heal more, than something to drain the sorcerer stamina like Shades and Fear. But mele magicka NB, assassin types, are utter crap now. Doubt you can even burst down a mudcrab.

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So I am tired of getting killed by sorcs. It usually goes like this. I jump a sorc and burst as hard as I can only to end up out of magicka. My last one went like this in a space of about 10 secs

3938 Damage Hardened Ward Teleport Strike
3086 Damage Hardened Ward Concealed Weapon
834 Hardened Ward Light attack
Shadowy Disguise
4555 Harness Magicka Concealed Weapon
834 Hardened Ward Light Attack
3644 Harness Magicka Concealed Weapon
3152 Harness Magicka Concealed Weapon
834 Hardened Ward Light Attack
2953 Hardened Ward Concealed Weapon
3152 Hardened Ward Concealed Weapon
Fear - he might have been just out of reach....damn bolty sorcs
3152 Hardened Ward Concealed Weapon
559 Hardened Ward Light Attack
Shadowy Disguise
6496 Hardened Ward Soul Harvest
3934 Hardened Ward Concealed Weapon

Out of Magicka switch to restro staff Heavy Attack at range
1317 Hardened Ward Heavy Attack Staff
1317 Hardened Ward Heavy Attack Staff
1317 Hardened Ward Heavy Attack Staff
1317 Hardened Ward Heavy Attack Staff

I take 11,276 and am dead. I had taken damage here and there before but never more than 2 or 3k a pop.

So obviously you cannot burst down a sorcs shields. I have been trying like an idiot to do this for months. So anybody have any good strategies that wouldn't require me to completely change my burst build?

In a 1 v 1 you're going to die every time trying to break a sorc's shields and kill him. The only way you'll kill a Sorc is to drain him of stamina. Watch the glowing circles at the sorc's feet, once those are gone, fear him (and actually hit him with it), then play defensively and roll around like a barrel full of monkeys until those circles are gone then fear him again. Each time you successfully fear him attack *hard* forcing him to break free or die. Once he doesn't have the stamina to break free it is GG sorc.

There are a lot of other things both sides can do here but that is the basic gist of it.

Or you can just go bow spec and spam lethal arrow until he falls over.

Armitas wrote: »

Anyone tried destructive mage set plus mage light? Bet that makes a huge freaking shield with sorcs scaling off magicka for shields.

As a DK I kind of feel like the global 15% shield nerf was a little too global if you know what I mean. My shields are based on health so if I boost them my dps goes down. A sorc can boost their shield and dps simultaneously. Light armor is complete crap making shields our only means of defense and it's globally nerfed.

Lets face it the global Cyrodiil nerf was a bandaid to push 1.6 out but it really seems too disproportionate to be so global.

Sorc shield boosting comes at the cost of health. 1.6 tried to force many people *not* to wear light armor.

Most people feel much squishier mainly because the 40% Health stat nerf. (What used to be +50% is now only +10%).

Everything has bonus against shields, shields have 0 armor and 0 spell resist.

Francescolg wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Most people feel much squishier mainly because the 40% Health stat nerf. (What used to be +50% is now only +10%).

The HP nurf + the 15% shield nurf combined result in a much stronger shield nurf, as is the case for templar's 26% blazing shield. A blazing shield under 800 isn't even worth casting in pvp.

Does hardened ward have a base-def value or is it based on hp?

It is based on Magicka and is increased by 33% then your Bastion Champion Level, then reduced by 15%.

sorry double post

I find it odd that there is a thread about how bad sorcerers are http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155048/sorcerers-were-over-nerfed-again/p1 and then this thread about how difficult they are to kill. Which is it?

Observant wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I find it odd that there is a thread about how bad sorcerers are http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155048/sorcerers-were-over-nerfed-again/p1 and then this thread about how difficult they are to kill. Which is it?

Both.

Bad sorcerers are bad.
Good sorcerers are good. Very good. Definitely not underpowered

A well played sorc is usually the difference maker in any engagement. But I find the sorcs that actually are the difference makers are few and far between and are not the solo build types that most people identify with.

Mad respect for guys like Ezareth and Teargrants, for they are absolutely lethal out there if youre caught by yourself, but in group play (in my experience only, mind) they can be mostly ignored. Its the ones that set up streak/negate area denial and so on that I am referring to. For as much as I razz on Crystalized being the most killed player by me, I have to mention he is also the most dangerous sorc I know of, because whenever he shows up you know you have less than 2 seconds before a group of nasty is about to smash into you and your group with him setting it up for them to come through. (He as an individual is incredibly easy to kill, but the role he brings to his group more than makes up for that, is what I mean. Same is true for most group-play specs really)

A skilled group play sorc can absolutely be the one and only cause of an organized group wiping. Ive done it, and ive been the victim of it.

That being said, sorc as a class is quite difficult to play well nowadays having gone through in my estimation the most massive change from what they were at launch. Used to be very flexible and able to fill multiple on demand roles with just some minor gear/skill changes. Now the class is getting more and more relegated to niche one-job roles and it kinda sucks.

As other posters have suggested do not attack the sorceror's shields, attack their stamina pool.

Rylana wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I find it odd that there is a thread about how bad sorcerers are http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155048/sorcerers-were-over-nerfed-again/p1 and then this thread about how difficult they are to kill. Which is it?

Both.

Bad sorcerers are bad.
Good sorcerers are good. Very good. Definitely not underpowered

A well played sorc is usually the difference maker in any engagement. But I find the sorcs that actually are the difference makers are few and far between and are not the solo build types that most people identify with.

Mad respect for guys like Ezareth and Teargrants, for they are absolutely lethal out there if youre caught by yourself, but in group play (in my experience only, mind) they can be mostly ignored. Its the ones that set up streak/negate area denial and so on that I am referring to. For as much as I razz on Crystalized being the most killed player by me, I have to mention he is also the most dangerous sorc I know of, because whenever he shows up you know you have less than 2 seconds before a group of nasty is about to smash into you and your group with him setting it up for them to come through. (He as an individual is incredibly easy to kill, but the role he brings to his group more than makes up for that, is what I mean. Same is true for most group-play specs really)

A skilled group play sorc can absolutely be the one and only cause of an organized group wiping. Ive done it, and ive been the victim of it.

That being said, sorc as a class is quite difficult to play well nowadays having gone through in my estimation the most massive change from what they were at launch. Used to be very flexible and able to fill multiple on demand roles with just some minor gear/skill changes. Now the class is getting more and more relegated to niche one-job roles and it kinda sucks.

@Rylana I understand if you don't want to give away your own guild's strategy, but I'm curious just what type of gameplay these group oriented Sorcs are doing. Do you still find Streak to be useful in 1.6 now that it gives CC immunity? I still find Negate to be fairly powerful even with the 1.6 nerfs, but I'm wondering what else a group Sorc brings to PVP. Is his job just to Streak around and Encase, Negate, Lightning Flood the appropriate locations?

Personally in my experience, the most disruptive Sorc when it is a large group encounter is the one that pushes through our line and draws the attention away from the incoming push.