The higher the rise, the harder the fall.

"Class Skill" is closest answer in this poll, but Werewolf never should be reduced to just a skill line. It should affect much more than combat style.

Whatever it is, I think we can agree that the recent "buff" to werewolves is barely that (especially with the reduction in timer) and it is still a long way from being viable or worth its very high skill point cost.

I brought up in a previous forum the problem with the new werewolf timers' duration's. I am content with the new abilities. You can attack with Infectious Claw (which cleaves multiple targets), followed up by Piercing Howl (knock down one target at at time quickly while they are taking poison damage), and some melee on the targets that has been knocked down. Hircine's Bounty is awesome for returning health instead of blowing potions. I took down a basic Solo Dungeon boss in seconds with the new abilities and it didn't have a chance to hit me once.

As i said, the werewolf abilities are good. BUT when they lowered the Ultimate Timer the lowered Devour cool-down it doesn't compliment the new abilities, it degrades their value by only being an essentially Burst Attack overall. Before the patch you could attack a mob, feed, and carry on for a long time. While leveling once i was able to stay in werewolf form for an hour and a half in a mob rich area. The new timers make that impossible. I've tried.

As for the skill line: Since there are only two weapon bars i don't think they'd add a third for the werewolves. Instead the player would have to choose to equip Werewolf Abilities on the second bar. I also feel, that on that particular bar, the Ultimate Cost should be placed to Change into wolf form. That way the player can choose when to turn into a wolf and turn back. If we want to be werewolves as a separate skill line, that's the only fair way. Otherwise vampires would demand a third bar and then ZOS would really have a problem.

The other option for this and i know its been posted before is having it work like the sorc ultimate overload so that it will still cost ult but so long as you don't run out of ultimate you can stay in form which will make the rpers happy. Light and heavy attacks will cost ult and devour can restore some ult rather then the timer... This would also solve the problem of your ult resetting when exiting form.

I believe they really didn't make the update just. I haven't tested the new dps, but overall I found bleed damage horrible especially in pvp as it just doesn't do enough damage over time. If this has changed great, but means nothing to me right now. Straight up, werewolf should be toggled, there is no reason to create a full skill tree to only be able to use it for a few seconds after you ult off, I also still believe that I like the fact that it uses ultimate as I believe what should happen is this: The basic skills should be superior to that of skills on your original character, I don't care what class or character you are, it should be superior. Yes I agree they should have a weakness in this form if it is to be toggleable. Which a weakness in itself is the fact melee and heavy stamina base is required strictly. The way they are creating it right now, makes me think it should be more less like an avatar style ultimate, short duration but when you do you should absolutely ***, similar to vamps swarm ultimate, it needs to be worth doing and only way I can see it being used the way it is is if you got huge bonuses to defence+damage and gained immunity to slow/stun/hold effects as well as a speed bonus to run. If I'm going to use an ultimate, I need it to do something properly and that thing would be at least to be able to destroy any mob of npc style things easily as well as be able to outright force a single player in pvp to panic trying to fight. Werewolves were always supposed to be superior in 1v1 combat and sometimes even 1v3/4 if the opponents aren't prepared. As vampire they have the capability to pillage with huge aoe and life regen, I'm glad they nurfed vamps ultimate for the life regen, but I have no idea how huge this effect actually is as the last time I played vamp I didn't even see my life go down after the ult was cast, so 30% less might still do the same?
If this is their idea of a ww balance or buff, I'm not at all for it and better luck next time. If a vampire can be a vampire at all times with no consequence other than it's basic weakness to fire, werewolf should be the same. If they want werewolf to be a basic new skill tree only capable of rp, then make it toggle-able with skills to hold its own in dungeons etc at least comparable to that of their build outside of werewolf form.

Would like if they gave us a humanoid passive while the Ultimate was slotted, like +8% Stamina. That way it still has utility as an Ult when you really can't use it.

(I know we have the regen bonus from Lycanthropy, but I still feel they should have something rolled into the slotted Ult.)

Get rid of that timer... let us transform whenever with the use of the ultimate. Dps is on par with others using class and weapon skills.

I just watched the ESO Live #4 where they talked about Update 5 WW changes. I found it interesting how the Dev stated that they had a lot of positive feedback about shortening the time and making it feel more like an Ultimate. Well from all that I have read on these forums, he was lying. I have seen no positive feedback for shortening the timer. And this is why I don't think it will change in our favor. They are bent on making it short, regardless. All the other stuff they have given us is wonderful, don't get me wrong I love the new abilities. But they went the wrong way with the timer.

The timer needs to be gone.

I take pisses longer than ww form. At least if it was a class skill we would be able to use it and not have to give up the ultimate. It really isn't worth the ultimate it cost so it's just a novelty skill to say hey im a WW look at me! then 30 sec later your out of ultimate and not a ww anymore.

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Sounds like you want it to be more like a class skill?

I know it would probably be too "difficult" for the devs ('cause gods know LOTS of things are!) but what would be awesome is a toggle ability for the werewolf form that was only available during the full moon and to one day either side of it. THAT is when it makes sense to see werewolves running amuck everywhere and people should be cowering in their homes! LOL Cyrodiil would be overrun with werewolves during that time and the monster hunters would be SUPER busy! It could be epic!

risen1981 wrote: »

It should be treated as a skill line and nothing else (22 skillpoints)
The timer needs to go and to tell us it's a technical issue is a lie. If they can reduce or increase the timer they sure as hell can remove it as well.. !

Pretty sure I didn't have a timer in the hunting ground.

Prothwata wrote: »

risen1981 wrote: »

It should be treated as a skill line and nothing else (22 skillpoints)
The timer needs to go and to tell us it's a technical issue is a lie. If they can reduce or increase the timer they sure as hell can remove it as well.. !

Pretty sure I didn't have a timer in the hunting ground.

You're right forgot about that, also when near a shrine