Best PVE Tank post 1.6?

yodased · March 2015

What we bring for bad groups is igneous shield, magma armor, engulfing flame and talons.

Basically we can hold every mob in one place and mitigate their damage while upping their susceptibility to fire. When they are about to wipe pop magma and they get an 85% health shield. which is amazing.

Boss enrages? Magma armor. Dps aggroed entire room with aoe? chains and talon. Healer can't keep you up? Magma with battle roar then GDB way up.

We have the ability to soak up damage, do damage and shield the party while controlling all the mobs in the room.

For good groups, well we are DK's nuff said.

rhubbert_ESO · March 2015

I have an alt that plays DK healer and I find myself off-tanking a lot. The utility of obsidian shield and magma armor is amazing.

GreyRanger · March 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

No one else thinks something is wrong here when DK/Templar are the clear choices for best tank while also doing the top DPS in a stamina spec (which is better than magicka DPS) and Templar is also the best heals?

Yep. Obviously it is a disappointment that ZOS has such a hard time with balance between 4 classes. It is disappointing that 2 classes are so superior to the other two. Hopefully some time this year that will pull NB and Sorcerers into balance with DKs and now Temps.

DeLindsay · March 2015

GreyRanger wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

No one else thinks something is wrong here when DK/Templar are the clear choices for best tank while also doing the top DPS in a stamina spec (which is better than magicka DPS) and Templar is also the best heals?

Yep. Obviously it is a disappointment that ZOS has such a hard time with balance between 4 classes. It is disappointing that 2 classes are so superior to the other two. Hopefully some time this year that will pull NB and Sorcerers into balance with DKs and now Temps.

NB is already on par with Templars (short of BoL) for Healing in 1.6. NB Tanks are perfectly fine in 1.6, in fact all Tanks are because Tanking is now very easy. Magicka DPS was king of ESO until 1 week ago, it's ok that Stamina DPS gets to shine for a while. At least it's not Sticks-n-Skirts anymore for all Content (joking, no not really). I do feel bad for Sorcs though, I don't know wtf ZoS has against the Class to be continually doing stupid nerfs and odd changes that make little sense all while saying "We think Sorcerers are in a good place right now", that's a direct quite from Eric W lol.

EDIT: Also, I don't give a flying F that DK is the "go-to" Tank or Templar is the "Go-to" Healer, I'm good with my NB in all my Roles (good enough at least) that I enjoy the game and don't get kicked from groups for being bad, that works for me.

GreyRanger · March 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

(1) Magicka DPS was king of ESO until 1 week ago, it's ok that Stamina DPS gets to shine for a while. At least it's not Sticks-n-Skirts anymore for all Content (joking, no not really).

(2) I do feel bad for Sorcs though, I don't know wtf ZoS has against the Class to be continually doing stupid nerfs and odd changes that make little sense all while saying "We think Sorcerers are in a good place right now", that's a direct quite from Eric W lol.

EDIT: Also, I don't give a flying F that DK is the "go-to" Tank or Templar is the "Go-to" Healer, I'm good with my NB in all my Roles (good enough at least) that I enjoy the game and don't get kicked from groups for being bad, that works for me.

(1) I agree that it is reasonable that stamina got on par, but I wish they had not over shot quite so much. I feel bad for Sorcerers too, but by full disclosure my mains are a NB and a sorcerer.

(2) In 1.5 I was able to enjoy my NB in all 3 roles, but since the hard caps came off it feels like I need to pick: (Stam DPS & Tank) or (Magicka DPS & Heals); it doesn't seem to me that I can cross those combinations (the old all points pretty much in health use gear to get to soft caps.

Have you found a way to have one character who can play all roles or do you have multiple NB or do you have to respect and gear if you want to switch roles?

Panda244 · March 2015

GreyRanger wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

(1) Magicka DPS was king of ESO until 1 week ago, it's ok that Stamina DPS gets to shine for a while. At least it's not Sticks-n-Skirts anymore for all Content (joking, no not really).

(2) I do feel bad for Sorcs though, I don't know wtf ZoS has against the Class to be continually doing stupid nerfs and odd changes that make little sense all while saying "We think Sorcerers are in a good place right now", that's a direct quite from Eric W lol.

EDIT: Also, I don't give a flying F that DK is the "go-to" Tank or Templar is the "Go-to" Healer, I'm good with my NB in all my Roles (good enough at least) that I enjoy the game and don't get kicked from groups for being bad, that works for me.

(1) I agree that it is reasonable that stamina got on par, but I wish they had not over shot quite so much. I feel bad for Sorcerers too, but by full disclosure my mains are a NB and a sorcerer.

(2) In 1.5 I was able to enjoy my NB in all 3 roles, but since the hard caps came off it feels like I need to pick: (Stam DPS & Tank) or (Magicka DPS & Heals); it doesn't seem to me that I can cross those combinations (the old all points pretty much in health use gear to get to soft caps.

Have you found a way to have one character who can play all roles or do you have multiple NB or do you have to respect and gear if you want to switch roles?

NB Sap Tank, Magicka Based, swap around gear sets and you can Heal or DPS on one character. It's a pain in the ass at times because I have several different sets in my inventory but it works.

Panda244 · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

What we bring for bad groups is igneous shield, magma armor, engulfing flame and talons.

Basically we can hold every mob in one place and mitigate their damage while upping their susceptibility to fire. When they are about to wipe pop magma and they get an 85% health shield. which is amazing.

Boss enrages? Magma armor. Dps aggroed entire room with aoe? chains and talon. Healer can't keep you up? Magma with battle roar then GDB way up.

We have the ability to soak up damage, do damage and shield the party while controlling all the mobs in the room.

For good groups, well we are DK's nuff said.

@yodased I think what you meant to say was...

To Smite With Dragon Claws
"We are Dragon knights. We are Dragons. (Yes. Yes. We Are.)

If you attack us, you will meet Talons. (Talons)

If you strike us, you will eat Spikes. (Spiked Armor)

If you injure us, our wounds will close. (Dragon's Blood)

If you anger us, you will burn. (Every Ardent Flame Ability Ever?)

If you run from us, we will pounce upon you. (Take Flight Bruh!)

You cannot win. We cannot lose. (Undeniable Fact.)

We are dragon knights. We are Dragons."(Oh Yeah. We Totally Are.)

DeLindsay · March 2015

GreyRanger wrote: »

(1) I agree that it is reasonable that stamina got on par, but I wish they had not over shot quite so much. I feel bad for Sorcerers too, but by full disclosure my mains are a NB and a sorcerer.

(2) In 1.5 I was able to enjoy my NB in all 3 roles, but since the hard caps came off it feels like I need to pick: (Stam DPS & Tank) or (Magicka DPS & Heals); it doesn't seem to me that I can cross those combinations (the old all points pretty much in health use gear to get to soft caps.

Have you found a way to have one character who can play all roles or do you have multiple NB or do you have to respect and gear if you want to switch roles?

#1 - There is no middle with ZoS it's either extreme left or far right unfortunately.

#2 - I am a very competent Tank / Healer and a (reasonable) Magicka DPS as well as (not scrub but not pro) Support-Healer for PvP on my NB. My Att spread is 40/22/0 and I adjust Glyphs to compensate. Mind you I also use Passives to my benefit like Magicka Controller in Mage's Guild and Undaunted Mettle to help balance my Attributes for each Role, they help The Mage Mundus scale really high. It took a ton of tweaking and far too much money burning through Kutas changing my Gear since 1.6 hit Live but I'm in a really good spot now. I also thoroughly tested this on PTS so I at least had a good idea where I needed to be and changed most of my gear beforehand.

Normally Magicka DPS is frowned upon now in 1.6 unless you are one of the few pushing ~11K DPS ST, and even then that pales in comparison to the ~15K Stamina DPS are seeing ST. I fill a niche with my build and am given some slack for that. As a FunnelBlade build my (up to) 10.5K HPS via Funnel Health helps to make up for my ~8.5K DPS (highest sustained I've reached so far in Trials, but I'm still working on my rotation and I'm terrible at weaving). I'm still certain with practice I can get up to ~10K DPS and I know for a fact I can get my HPS up with Funnel Health because a few Boss pulls in AA I saw over 13K HPS and that's nothing compared to what I've seen some doing with FH. The thing is I was never top DPS as it's my OS so I'm not worried about it.

As for Tanking in 1.6, it's very easy once you get your Magicka/Stamina issues under control, especially if you're hard capped Armor/SR (with Major+Minor Wards). It took me several days trying different things to get to the point where I am now and I'm a happy camper and rarely run out of either pool even having less Stamina than most (Wood Elf NB FTW). Ofc I can't play the Immortal role like DK's can or the off-Healer while Tanking like Templars can but I'm not at all worried about that.

Play as you like is actually becoming a reality (of sorts) now without soft caps. I've seen some very strange builds that I thought could never work and Players pull them off well wince 1.6 hit Live. I think in the coming months we're going to see all kinds of niche builds that work better than "The Standard" this or that build for the content that Player is in.

Vrathak · March 2015

I am currently uploading a video of a lvl 40 NB tank build soloing Selene`s web Longclaw boss ( that archer with his tigers

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I will give you the link shortly. In my opinion... this is probably the best tanking build :P

Vrathak · March 2015

there you go guys! as promised.

Enjoy and hate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbk9MrwcxGg&feature=youtu.be