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LoL Option Gone?!
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That's cute.IrishGirlGamer wrote: »I always assumed people were laughing with me, not at me
For a second there I felt robbed. I can't earn the 500 LOLs badge anymore, other forum members will forever be more accomplished than me. :'( Disgusting favoritism towards older beta players, I say.
But seriously, I sometimes missed the Disagree button before and I think with LOL gone, we should get one. Otherwise, people will just hijack another button to serve this function. I'd rather avoid a situation when every button has a double meaning.Edited by Rosveen on 19 February 2015 13:372 -
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✭Insightful the new button on the endangered species listing. Get your insightful on while you can.PUG Life - the true test of your skill
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Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭I have found out the "lol" button has just been hidden, but you can still send lols.
You have "just" to see the post number and append it to an URL.
In example, you could send a lol to a post on this thread as follows:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/react/comment/lol?id=1568630
where id is the post unique id.
To get the post unique id all you have to do is to hover your mouse over the permalink (the little number above the post time, in example: #120.
You can see that code by hovering the mouse over the surviving buttons too.
Finally, for the nerdy types, you could right click and "Inspect element" so you can easily see, grab, copy and paste the ID with the clipboard.
For the "nerdiest" types, you could do the above (right click and "Inspect element") then select the "buttons bar" that includes Insightful, Agre and Awesome, then "Edit at HTML" and copy - paste one of those buttons plus the URL I have written above. You'll see the lol button "revive" on your screen in all his glory!
A short glory, as it'll go away if you reload the page...
Legit insightful! Now let's see if it works and I still can get the badge...
"You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"1 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭The Day The Laughter Died
No more LOL? Must everything we say about ESO be Serious Business™ from now on? Will I have to use my serious face for every post?
See this? This is my serious face:
And what about the children? Won't somebody please think of the children?
Please, please, I beseech thee. Bring the laughter back!
LOL, ESO. LOL!
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Avatar1109✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »Sadly public forums always gravitate to the lowest common denominator. People couldn't think for themselves or respond in an intelligent manner to points with counterpoints. It was easier for them to ask 50 of their friends on team speak or vent or whatever to log into forums and press the troll button 50 times..then the disagree button..then the LOL button. If you want to disagree do so..participate...debate..stop trying to sway public opinion with your drive by LOLs
So what you're saying is I can't laugh and now @Zenimax is feeding the trolls?1 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have found out the "lol" button has just been hidden, but you can still send lols.
You have "just" to see the post number and append it to an URL.
In example, you could send a lol to a post on this thread as follows:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/react/comment/lol?id=1568630
where id is the post unique id.
To get the post unique id all you have to do is to hover your mouse over the permalink (the little number above the post time, in example: #120.
You can see that code by hovering the mouse over the surviving buttons too.
Finally, for the nerdy types, you could right click and "Inspect element" so you can easily see, grab, copy and paste the ID with the clipboard.
For the "nerdiest" types, you could do the above (right click and "Inspect element") then select the "buttons bar" that includes Insightful, Agre and Awesome, then "Edit at HTML" and copy - paste one of those buttons plus the URL I have written above. You'll see the lol button "revive" on your screen in all his glory!
A short glory, as it'll go away if you reload the page...
I repeat what I told you 6 months ago. You confuse the hell out of me. At times I can't agree with a word you say and then all of a sudden, you come up with the most brilliant posts on the forums.
I keeps happening....
Thanks for this mr Vahrokh.
Ps, I do not have pink sunglasses anymore.
ds.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"2 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭LOL was abused, for example Mr. Firor posts how the new and exciting change to ESO was demanded by the community and people LOL.3 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭BlueIllyrian wrote: »LOL was abused, for example Mr. Firor posts how the new and exciting change to ESO was demanded by the community and people LOL.
Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"5 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭LOL badges are still here though haha.
But yeah, I find it disappointing that it was probably removed because someone had their feelings hurt...House Nyssara (NA)
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BlueIllyrian✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »LOL badges are still here though haha.
But yeah, I find it disappointing that it was probably removed because someone had their feelings hurt...
Very nice ZOS employee explained to me that it constitutes "bashing and slanderous comments".
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✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.2 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭It's more like voting than discussing, obviously. Neither the Nays nor the Yays have to explain themselves, why they agree or disagree. Nonetheless it is an often use mechanic to gauge the opinion of larger groups.
You'll never know, if the agrees nor disagrees are indifferent, convinced, fully or partly, if they are glowing supporters or just wouldn't mind a change. All they show is a general public agree or disagreement with a certain idea.
Providing just the option to vote Yay, without counting the Nays, well, that's something that really doesn't make any sense."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"3 -
RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭BlueIllyrian wrote: »Very nice ZOS employee explained to me that it constitutes "bashing and slanderous comments".
Damn o.0 if they cant handle a little number next to LOL under their post, god knows what they are going to think of the comments people will now be forced to type instead xD
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because when you agree with someone, there's generally no need to re-post what they said and say, "I agree with that." It would just flood the forums with "+1" posts.
On the other hand, if you disagree with someone, it behooves you to explain why. Simply stating, "I disagree," doesn't actually contribute to any kind of discussion, which is what forums are for.----
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because what you're saying just doesn't make any actual sense.
Agree = I agree w/ what was just said. No further explanation needed, because it was just said.
Disagree = I disagree w/ what you said. Clearly your view is NOT what was written, so now you should explain what YOUR views are, why they differ, or why you feel that way.
You can keep repeating yourself all you like, but it still won't make any more sense because your argument here is logically flawed.
It's like saying that the sky is paisley colored. You can try to explain to me that the sky is paisley all you like, but I will still know that simply isn't true.2 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because when you agree with someone, there's generally no need to re-post what they said and say, "I agree with that." It would just flood the forums with "+1" posts.
On the other hand, if you disagree with someone, it behooves you to explain why. Simply stating, "I disagree," doesn't actually contribute to any kind of discussion, which is what forums are for.DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because what you're saying just doesn't make any actual sense.
Agree = I agree w/ what was just said. No further explanation needed, because it was just said.
Disagree = I disagree w/ what you said. Clearly your view is NOT what was written, so now you should explain what YOUR views are, why they differ, or why you feel that way.
You can keep repeating yourself all you like, but it still won't make any more sense because your argument here is logically flawed.
It's like saying that the sky is paisley colored. You can try to explain to me that the sky is paisley all you like, but I will still know that simply isn't true.
If you agree , but provide no reason for why you agree that is as useless as a disagree with out any reason given for disagreeing .
The reasons for disagreeing , and the reasons for agreeing , are both valid and important. To claim that one is greater then the other indicates that you do not want a real debate , just to have your viewpoint accepted without contest.
if the forums support a anonymous agree then they should also support an anonymous disagree since both actions do not provide any constructive feedback (neither option answers the question of why do you agree/disagree with the posted viewpoint ).1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because when you agree with someone, there's generally no need to re-post what they said and say, "I agree with that." It would just flood the forums with "+1" posts.
On the other hand, if you disagree with someone, it behooves you to explain why. Simply stating, "I disagree," doesn't actually contribute to any kind of discussion, which is what forums are for.DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because what you're saying just doesn't make any actual sense.
Agree = I agree w/ what was just said. No further explanation needed, because it was just said.
Disagree = I disagree w/ what you said. Clearly your view is NOT what was written, so now you should explain what YOUR views are, why they differ, or why you feel that way.
You can keep repeating yourself all you like, but it still won't make any more sense because your argument here is logically flawed.
It's like saying that the sky is paisley colored. You can try to explain to me that the sky is paisley all you like, but I will still know that simply isn't true.
If you agree , but provide no reason for why you agree that is as useless as a disagree with out any reason given for disagreeing .
The reasons for disagreeing , and the reasons for agreeing , are both valid and important. To claim that one is greater then the other indicates that you do not want a real debate , just to have your viewpoint accepted without contest.
if the forums support a anonymous agree then they should also support an anonymous disagree since both actions do not provide any constructive feedback (neither option answers the question of why do you agree/disagree with the posted viewpoint ).
I'm not sure how this isn't clear yet.
If I agree with your post and don't have anything to add, then there's no need for me to post about it. All I would say is, "I agree," which fills up the forum with pointless spam, as mentioned.
Disagreeing is different. If I disagree with your post, then I have to have something to say that you didn't cover. Notice that in order to express your disagreement with me (and others), you've had to post why you disagree and actually make an argument. Similarly, when I disagree with you, I've had to post why. So you've inadvertently shown why any kind of "disagree" button is insufficient.----
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Awdwyn✭✭✭My 2 cents - we don't need a LOL button ... implied sarcasm or passive aggressive disagreement does not promote a healthy adult forum community. Idiocy is usually obvious - let it speak for itself.
If we disagree - well, quote and comment! Disagreement should be accompanied with an explanation anyways.
Lets use the buttons for what they clearly show they're for.7 -
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✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »If you agree , but provide no reason for why you agree that is as useless as a disagree with out any reason given for disagreeing .
This is just flat out wrong. If you agree w/ a poster who has already stated your opinion for you, then you need provide no "reason" for agreeing. You agree w/ what was said, it's as simple as that. Your "reason" was already written.
Certainly there are cases where you agree w/ a poster's sentiment, but not for the reasons stated, and in that case you should always post what differing opinions you may have on the matter.
If your opinion does NOT differ and you still agree, then there is no further explanation necessary as to why you agree.DanielMaxwell wrote: »The reasons for disagreeing , and the reasons for agreeing , are both valid and important.
This is true, however that does not mean that if you fully agree w/ somebody, you need to somehow come up w/ exactly what was already said in other words to show your support. That is just forum clutter.DanielMaxwell wrote: »To claim that one is greater then the other indicates that you do not want a real debate , just to have your viewpoint accepted without contest.
There IS no debate when you agree w/ someone. That is literally the opposite of a debate.
When you DISAGREE, there is a debate, and by your own sentiment, you're saying that there should not be a real debate because those who disagree should just click the "Disagree" button w/out any further input in the discussion.
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✭✭Back when LOL was still in, insightful could be used as a joke in itself. Something so stupid, you click insightful instead of LOL. Now that it's the default option, everyone around here is going to have their insightful count skyrocket. We sure are a perceptive and analytical bunch.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job0 -
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✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
Still doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Fact is if someone agrees there is no need to simply repeat what the poster said. Whereas a disagree the developers would like to know WHY you disagree. If you agree they already know that. You are saying you support the post for the reasons listed in the post.1 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because when you agree with someone, there's generally no need to re-post what they said and say, "I agree with that." It would just flood the forums with "+1" posts.
On the other hand, if you disagree with someone, it behooves you to explain why. Simply stating, "I disagree," doesn't actually contribute to any kind of discussion, which is what forums are for.DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Agree doesn't explain why you agree. Only that you didn't care enough to bother posting why you agree... See I can do that too, your argument is invalid.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
The LOL button told them nothing either as you had no idea what the meaning behind the person clicking LOL on your post. At least 'Disagree' is obvious.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think they should reconsider. There is no real use for a disagree button. It tells them nothing.
Disagree doesnt explain why you disagree. Only that you didnt even care enough to bother posting why you disagree. So it gives literally no feedback whatsoever. Hence why they got rid of it. Be crazy to bring it back after the mess it caused originally.
There is no need for a "why" you agree. You agree thats it. If you disagree why do you disagree?
Your wrong , your reasons for agreeing or disagreeing with what any other person posts are equally valid and important . If you agree completely with a post then you would use the agree button , but if you have different reasons for agreeing with a post then you would post your reasons for agreeing with some ones post .
If you disagree with a post you can post your reasons if you have the time to do so , have the desire to , or are prepared to debate why your view is valid . Sometimes it is just better to click a "Disagree" button due to knowing the other poster will try to provoke you into doing something that causes the forum moderators to action your account.
This post makes no sense. If I agree with what you said what should I do? Copy and paste it as a response? The reason I agree is because I agree. I support what you said. If I dont support it then there should be some kind of explanation so they know what you dont like.
I'll try to simplify it for you ,
An anonymous agree is as valid as an anonymous disagree , neither one provides any constructive feedback or reason for there view beyond them either agreeing or disagreeing with the post .
does that make sense to you ?
No, because what you're saying just doesn't make any actual sense.
Agree = I agree w/ what was just said. No further explanation needed, because it was just said.
Disagree = I disagree w/ what you said. Clearly your view is NOT what was written, so now you should explain what YOUR views are, why they differ, or why you feel that way.
You can keep repeating yourself all you like, but it still won't make any more sense because your argument here is logically flawed.
It's like saying that the sky is paisley colored. You can try to explain to me that the sky is paisley all you like, but I will still know that simply isn't true.
If you agree , but provide no reason for why you agree that is as useless as a disagree with out any reason given for disagreeing .
The reasons for disagreeing , and the reasons for agreeing , are both valid and important. To claim that one is greater then the other indicates that you do not want a real debate , just to have your viewpoint accepted without contest.
if the forums support a anonymous agree then they should also support an anonymous disagree since both actions do not provide any constructive feedback (neither option answers the question of why do you agree/disagree with the posted viewpoint ).
I'm not sure how this isn't clear yet.
If I agree with your post and don't have anything to add, then there's no need for me to post about it. All I would say is, "I agree," which fills up the forum with pointless spam, as mentioned.
Disagreeing is different. If I disagree with your post, then I have to have something to say that you didn't cover. Notice that in order to express your disagreement with me (and others), you've had to post why you disagree and actually make an argument. Similarly, when I disagree with you, I've had to post why. So you've inadvertently shown why any kind of "disagree" button is insufficient.
Agree button = I think your right
Disagree button = I think your wrong
Neither one answers the question of why you think the viewpoint is right or wrong , if the forums will support the agree button then there should also be an equally useless disagree button , since agreeing or disagreeing with out posting a reason for your view adds nothing constructive to the debate for either side.
if you agree with a post but do not state your reasons for agreeing (use the agree button) you have not added anything to the debate or conversation.
If you disagree with a post but do not state your reasons for disagreeing (use the disagree button) you have not added anything to the debate or conversation .
if those who wish to agree have the ability to do so with out stating why , then so should those who disagree . This would help to reduce the posts to those who wish to actually add something to the conversation or debate .1 -
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Agree doesn't mean you think someone is right. It only means you Agree with whatever idea etc is being presented... I can do this all day man.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Disagree doesnt mean you think someone is wrong. Where do you get that from? It only means you dont agree with whatever idea etc is being presented.
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Disagree doesnt mean you think someone is wrong. Where do you get that from? It only means you dont agree with whatever idea etc is being presented.
if you disagree with a viewpoint you think it is wrong in some manner , how much you wish to say about why you think it is wrong can range from a simple I disagree to a 6000 word essay on the subject .
I personally would rather see those who simply wish to say " I think your wrong" and leave it at that , to be able to do so without having to make a post that adds nothing to the conversation beyond them thinking the viewpoint is wrong , just like those who think a viewpoint is right are able to do with the "Agree" button since they can just say "I think your right" by clicking it and add nothing to the conversation.0
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