LoL Option Gone?!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

DanielMaxwell

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

removing all of the buttons would be fine with me , but then I'm not a forum moderator so that has little impact on me.

bringing back the "Disagree" button will help to reduce the number of posts that do not add to the conversation , and (for some posters) reduce the chance of people getting their forum accounts sanctioned by the forum moderators .

true you disagreeing does not make somebody wrong , but it does imply that you think they are wrong . Thinking somebody is wrong does not make them wrong or you right , it just expressing an opinion on the expressed viewpoint .

DeLindsay

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

There never was a Disagree button, LOL was meant by ZoS at it's face value, that is the Player thought the comment was funny. ZoS removed it because it ended up being a way to troll posters.

Disagree as an option IS being looked into by ZoS as per @ZOS_GinaBruno recently. Here's an example of why your argument doesn't hold weight.

I make a post saying I want Children added to ESO like they are in TES games to increase the realism of the game. Some posters hit Agree and some hit Disagree. Neither side needs to explain why they Agreed or Disagreed as it's taken on face value. Those who Disagree I immediately think that they are saying they don't want Children added to ESO. That's all the explanation I need. Those who hit Agree I immediately think that they are saying they want Children added to ESO. Again, that's all the explanation I need.

Another example. I post my top 10 most wanted things to be added to ESO. Someone hits Agree even though they don't like #7, but they Agree more than they Disagree so that was the correct option for them. That poster might feel inclined to quote it and say why they don't like #7 or they might not. Maybe another person hits Disagree but they actually like #1-3 and #10, but since they Disagree more than they Agree then that was the correct option for them. They may also choose to quote and state why they Disagree with #4-9 or they may not.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

DeLindsay wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

There never was a Disagree button, LOL was meant by ZoS at it's face value, that is the Player thought the comment was funny. ZoS removed it because it ended up being a way to troll posters.

Disagree as an option IS being looked into by ZoS as per @ZOS_GinaBruno recently. Here's an example of why your argument doesn't hold weight.

I make a post saying I want Children added to ESO like they are in TES games to increase the realism of the game. Some posters hit Agree and some hit Disagree. Neither side needs to explain why they Agreed or Disagreed as it's taken on face value. Those who Disagree I immediately think that they are saying they don't want Children added to ESO. That's all the explanation I need. Those who hit Agree I immediately think that they are saying they want Children added to ESO. Again, that's all the explanation I need.

Another example. I post my top 10 most wanted things to be added to ESO. Someone hits Agree even though they don't like #7, but they Agree more than they Disagree so that was the correct option for them. That poster might feel inclined to quote it and say why they don't like #7 or they might not. Maybe another person hits Disagree but they actually like #1-3 and #10, but since they Disagree more than they Agree then that was the correct option for them. They may also choose to quote and state why they Disagree with #4-9 or they may not.

You just wasnt around when the disagree button was here.

Rosveen

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DeLindsay wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

There never was a Disagree button, LOL was meant by ZoS at it's face value, that is the Player thought the comment was funny. ZoS removed it because it ended up being a way to troll posters.

We had a Disagree button, but it was removed during beta.

Samadhi

BlueIllyrian wrote: »

LOL was abused, for example Mr. Firor posts how the new and exciting change to ESO was demanded by the community and people LOL.

lol.

Good point; now instead of loling at things like this we can have people quote the text and respond with "Lies."

DeLindsay wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If I disagree with an idea you have it doesnt make you wrong. Typing /signed or /agree for a response is not appropriate. Face it the disagree button isnt coming back (hopefully isnt coming back). The only future I see is them removing all the buttons because people cannot be bothered to act as an adult.

There never was a Disagree button, ...

So there wasn't a disagree button that got removed and prompted players to resort to LOL instead?

Tamanous

Discussion threads are about DISCUSSIONS!

If you disagree you reply and explain your opinion. Hiding behind buttons responses is for anonymous pansies. Join the community and stop acting like children. It is a mature rated game.

Samadhi

Quite like envisioning the people who used to click LOL as now taking the O, turning it into a monocle, and engaging in highly productive and enthralling debate.

Clearly the only thing inhibiting such individuals from being enlightened posters was their ability to click the LOL button; with this dreaded enemy of philosophical discourse culled from the forums we will now move into a utopia of thoughtful debate and meaningful discussions.
If only it had been thought to remove it sooner, perhaps the forums could have been a warm and welcoming place that encouraged people to play, and we would have never seen the game go b2p because people would be subscribing just for the benefit of being part of the forums.

ZOS_AlanG

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

IrishGirlGamer

Rosveen wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

I always assumed people were laughing with me, not at me

That's cute.

Well, I was being facetious.

Rosveen

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Turelus

Damnit I didn't grind hard enough for my 1000 LOL's before it was gone.

Roechacca

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

Was it really hurting people ? Was it truly disruptive ? Did it hamper anyone from posting further information ? C'mon . I have no idea why this a rated M Title . The community complainers can't even handle "PG" at this point . If this was the Disney Network I could see protecting children under 6 from LOL abuse , but here we are on a rated M game . M for Mouseketeer's

Cody

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

YOU MONSTERS!!!! NOW HOW CAN I DEFEAT RYLANA IN THE LOL WAR; WITH NO LOLs?????????

this is worse than damage shield spam/stacking, block casting, and impulse blobbing combined!!!!!!

why have you forsaken us!!!!! Por que?????????


/cry

RainfeatherUK

I mean, the horrors of basically not being able to choose anything remotely close to negative on posts was bad enough.. now humour is banned too?

I think this change has pretty much defiled the last part of Cody's signature block lol

DanielMaxwell

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Samadhi

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

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LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. ...

Rosveen wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Wondering the same thing.
Were there a bunch of people complaining about getting LOLs racked up on poorly thought-out posts?
Was it devastating to the well-being of the community for people to know that others disagreed with their posts but did not feel the post was worth the time to reply to?

Cannot really think of a legitimate issue that was caused by these buttons, unless there was something going on behind the scenes where players that were receiving LOLs and Disagrees were backing up moderation by spamming moderators and the support team with complaints.

If this is the case, feel bad for the moderators more than anything.

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Yeah, we might as well get rid of the buttons all together if they are just there for the purpose of giving out feel-goods rather than giving feedback on a post. Might as well strip the whole system down to a simple +1 button, or eliminate it completely.

At current rate, Insightful will slowly seep into community consciousness as the new "LOL/Disagree"; posts will start going up asking "what does it mean to get an Insightful on the ESO forums" where the replies will come in "it's sarcastic, it means your post sucks"; players who receive Insightfuls will become insecure over their tally, and the complaints will arise again. After Insightful gets removed for causing the same issues, it will be on to Awesome until Agree is all we have left anyway.
It does not even actually matter what words mean; communities can assign new meanings to words simply through repetition.

Majic

The Best Medicine

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

While it's true that a high LOL count confers significant in-game advantages, it's also true that LOL-farming confers significant community-wide benefits in the forums.

I'd post a lolcat image macro to prove all this scientifically, but I'm a lazy, lazy man.

Jeremy

roechacca wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

Was it really hurting people ? Was it truly disruptive ? Did it hamper anyone from posting further information ? C'mon . I have no idea why this a rated M Title . The community complainers can't even handle "PG" at this point . If this was the Disney Network I could see protecting children under 6 from LOL abuse , but here we are on a rated M game . M for Mouseketeer's

You're missing the point.

No it didn't hamper the posting of information. It didn't abuse anyone in any significant way. But it did end up being used as a childish tick for tac among posters.

If you want to make fun of a post or disagree with it you can simply quote the offending post and then challenge it. That's the better way to debate anyway.

Vyle_Byte

I find it quite amusing that this thread is still going and people are still arguing over their opinions on the matter.

Too bad I cant LOL it

Valen_Byte

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I find it quite amusing that this thread is still going and people are still arguing over their opinions on the matter.

Too bad I cant LOL it

Yes...this is the funniest...I mean, most insightful thread ever!

Jeremy

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

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LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. ...

Rosveen wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Wondering the same thing.
Were there a bunch of people complaining about getting LOLs racked up on poorly thought-out posts?
Was it devastating to the well-being of the community for people to know that others disagreed with their posts but did not feel the post was worth the time to reply to?

Cannot really think of a legitimate issue that was caused by these buttons, unless there was something going on behind the scenes where players that were receiving LOLs and Disagrees were backing up moderation by spamming moderators and the support team with complaints.

If this is the case, feel bad for the moderators more than anything.

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Yeah, we might as well get rid of the buttons all together if they are just there for the purpose of giving out feel-goods rather than giving feedback on a post. Might as well strip the whole system down to a simple +1 button, or eliminate it completely.

At current rate, Insightful will slowly seep into community consciousness as the new "LOL/Disagree"; posts will start going up asking "what does it mean to get an Insightful on the ESO forums" where the replies will come in "it's sarcastic, it means your post sucks"; players who receive Insightfuls will become insecure over their tally, and the complaints will arise again. After Insightful gets removed for causing the same issues, it will be on to Awesome until Agree is all we have left anyway.
It does not even actually matter what words mean; communities can assign new meanings to words simply through repetition.

I disagree.

Insightful is a word that has no negative connotations where as lol could easily be interpreted to mean the poster was making fun of any given post.

If posters try to mock other posts by calling them insightful they will likely succeed at doing the exact opposite of their intentions.

RainfeatherUK

Haha with some of the things i've seen tagged as 'Insightful' people must have a very low grasp of sarcasm lol

Audigy

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

@ZOS_AlanG first of all sorry that I reported your post, new layout playing tricks with me haha, You might should remove the ability to report Mods, I wonder how many others already made that mistake

Anyways, here is what I wanted to write as an reply

"Alan you should just give every user a spare amount of points every day and those points they can use to rate other comments. Keep the amount of points low, so that maybe 10-15 ratings a day are possible. This should limit the excessive abuse of "LOL & Co".

I believe that the important posts could get those "ratings", either because they were funny, insightful or just good in general. We as users don't need to rate everything I think, so that a limit should work fine.

In the past some people went through threads like a knife through butter, downvoting everyone they didn't like or agree with. I find that silly and childish, but it is what it is you know So if you really want to bring back the "abusive buttons" then add a limitations so that they can no longer be spammed

Nazon_Katts

Ultimately, I agree that we're better off without any up/down vote feature. This should be a discussion board and no popularity contest. If one really needs to know how the community feels about a certain topic, we can just have polls, like we always used to prior to this brownie and troll post madness.

In this open and broad environment, there's little to no benefit from it, anyways. In a more confined group, it could possibly be put to good use, but not with so many different folks and even more different mind sets around.

Let's just get rid off of the flags altogether and just settle for a report button as our means to hunt down the furry bridge dwellers.

firstdecan

I was well on my way to 500 lols, most of which were from sarcastic comments. Now I'll never get that achievement in the forum meta game.

Slurg

A disagree button would be more civil than using the LOL or any other button as the defacto disagree button. It is possible to politely disagree with an idea without laughing at it in a mocking fashion, which is how some people stated they were using it in the "what does LOL mean" threads. And sometimes it just isn't necessary to type a missive detailing one's disagreement when it's already been said by others in the thread. Sometimes a button is enough to register how you feel. I don't see anyone in here arguing everyone should back up your insightful or agree or awesome votes with a comment.

I suppose if anyone presenting an idea cares to find out how much of the community agrees with they are proposing using these buttons they can always do a poll with disagree as an option.

But I don't think a disagree button is necessarily evil. And if we had one maybe people who genuinely like to laugh can have their LOL button back.

Samadhi

Jeremy wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

...
LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. ...

Rosveen wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Wondering the same thing.
Were there a bunch of people complaining about getting LOLs racked up on poorly thought-out posts?
Was it devastating to the well-being of the community for people to know that others disagreed with their posts but did not feel the post was worth the time to reply to?

Cannot really think of a legitimate issue that was caused by these buttons, unless there was something going on behind the scenes where players that were receiving LOLs and Disagrees were backing up moderation by spamming moderators and the support team with complaints.

If this is the case, feel bad for the moderators more than anything.

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Yeah, we might as well get rid of the buttons all together if they are just there for the purpose of giving out feel-goods rather than giving feedback on a post. Might as well strip the whole system down to a simple +1 button, or eliminate it completely.

At current rate, Insightful will slowly seep into community consciousness as the new "LOL/Disagree"; posts will start going up asking "what does it mean to get an Insightful on the ESO forums" where the replies will come in "it's sarcastic, it means your post sucks"; players who receive Insightfuls will become insecure over their tally, and the complaints will arise again. After Insightful gets removed for causing the same issues, it will be on to Awesome until Agree is all we have left anyway.
It does not even actually matter what words mean; communities can assign new meanings to words simply through repetition.

I disagree.

Insightful is a word that has no negative connotations where as lol could easily be interpreted to mean the poster was making fun of any given post.

If posters try to mock other players by calling them insightful they will succeed at only doing the exact opposite of their intentions and will make that poster look good instead of bad.

LOL was initially used to mean a post was funny. Receiving a LOL on my post was a positive thing that made me look good instead of bad; ZOS gave me awards for it.
Then, after Disagree was removed, LOL was used by some people to mean a post was funny, and by some people to mean a post was stupid.
Then, LOL was used by so many people to mean that a post was stupid that it had to be removed for that reason.

This sort of thing happens with language. If enough of the community decides to twist the meaning of "Insightful" into sarcastic usage, until it is viewed as negative to receive one, it will happen.

Would very much go for a +1 option on posts instead; having 3 ways to say a post is "good" is redundant and will open itself to abuse in the same way it already apparently had in the past when there were 4 ways to say so.
Having a single, non-descript option to rank a post up as being "worth reading" would be better than the current system which was designed to have a contrasting means to rank a post as being "not worth reading" which was removed.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Samadhi wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

...
LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. ...

Rosveen wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Wondering the same thing.
Were there a bunch of people complaining about getting LOLs racked up on poorly thought-out posts?
Was it devastating to the well-being of the community for people to know that others disagreed with their posts but did not feel the post was worth the time to reply to?

Cannot really think of a legitimate issue that was caused by these buttons, unless there was something going on behind the scenes where players that were receiving LOLs and Disagrees were backing up moderation by spamming moderators and the support team with complaints.

If this is the case, feel bad for the moderators more than anything.

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Yeah, we might as well get rid of the buttons all together if they are just there for the purpose of giving out feel-goods rather than giving feedback on a post. Might as well strip the whole system down to a simple +1 button, or eliminate it completely.

At current rate, Insightful will slowly seep into community consciousness as the new "LOL/Disagree"; posts will start going up asking "what does it mean to get an Insightful on the ESO forums" where the replies will come in "it's sarcastic, it means your post sucks"; players who receive Insightfuls will become insecure over their tally, and the complaints will arise again. After Insightful gets removed for causing the same issues, it will be on to Awesome until Agree is all we have left anyway.
It does not even actually matter what words mean; communities can assign new meanings to words simply through repetition.

I disagree.

Insightful is a word that has no negative connotations where as lol could easily be interpreted to mean the poster was making fun of any given post.

If posters try to mock other players by calling them insightful they will succeed at only doing the exact opposite of their intentions and will make that poster look good instead of bad.

LOL was initially used to mean a post was funny. Receiving a LOL on my post was a positive thing that made me look good instead of bad; ZOS gave me awards for it.
Then, after Disagree was removed, LOL was used by some people to mean a post was funny, and by some people to mean a post was stupid.
Then, LOL was used by so many people to mean that a post was stupid that it had to be removed for that reason.

This sort of thing happens with language. If enough of the community decides to twist the meaning of "Insightful" into sarcastic usage, until it is viewed as negative to receive one, it will happen.

Would very much go for a +1 option on posts instead; having 3 ways to say a post is "good" is redundant and will open itself to abuse in the same way it already apparently had in the past when there were 4 ways to say so.
Having a single, non-descript option to rank a post up as being "worth reading" would be better than the current system which was designed to have a contrasting means to rank a post as being "not worth reading" which was removed.

I would hope instead of removing the buttons they remove the users who abuse them instead.

nerevarine1138

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

...
LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. ...

Rosveen wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what problems did it cause? Did people actually contact the mod team about getting unjustified LOLs or being LOL-stalked (yes, that's a thing)? Tbh, I never cared.

Wondering the same thing.
Were there a bunch of people complaining about getting LOLs racked up on poorly thought-out posts?
Was it devastating to the well-being of the community for people to know that others disagreed with their posts but did not feel the post was worth the time to reply to?

Cannot really think of a legitimate issue that was caused by these buttons, unless there was something going on behind the scenes where players that were receiving LOLs and Disagrees were backing up moderation by spamming moderators and the support team with complaints.

If this is the case, feel bad for the moderators more than anything.

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We weren't sure if you'd find the removal of LOL humorous or not, and now we'll never know

LOL was removed because it caused more problems than any benefit it contributed.

We encountered the same problems with Disagree previously. However, we are looking at changes to the system overall, and may bring it back. Although there's the potential for abuse, it offers a more constructive contribution when used properly.

I would request that if Zenimax decides to not add the "Disagree" button back , to consider the removal of the remaining flag buttons(Agree , Insightful , and Awesome) since none of them actually add anything useful to the conversation .

IMHO not adding back the "Disagree" button will lead to a significant increase in the number of "trolling" , flaming , and out right demeaning posts from the less mature members of the forum community .

Yeah, we might as well get rid of the buttons all together if they are just there for the purpose of giving out feel-goods rather than giving feedback on a post. Might as well strip the whole system down to a simple +1 button, or eliminate it completely.

At current rate, Insightful will slowly seep into community consciousness as the new "LOL/Disagree"; posts will start going up asking "what does it mean to get an Insightful on the ESO forums" where the replies will come in "it's sarcastic, it means your post sucks"; players who receive Insightfuls will become insecure over their tally, and the complaints will arise again. After Insightful gets removed for causing the same issues, it will be on to Awesome until Agree is all we have left anyway.
It does not even actually matter what words mean; communities can assign new meanings to words simply through repetition.

I disagree.

Insightful is a word that has no negative connotations where as lol could easily be interpreted to mean the poster was making fun of any given post.

If posters try to mock other players by calling them insightful they will succeed at only doing the exact opposite of their intentions and will make that poster look good instead of bad.

LOL was initially used to mean a post was funny. Receiving a LOL on my post was a positive thing that made me look good instead of bad; ZOS gave me awards for it.
Then, after Disagree was removed, LOL was used by some people to mean a post was funny, and by some people to mean a post was stupid.
Then, LOL was used by so many people to mean that a post was stupid that it had to be removed for that reason.

This sort of thing happens with language. If enough of the community decides to twist the meaning of "Insightful" into sarcastic usage, until it is viewed as negative to receive one, it will happen.

Would very much go for a +1 option on posts instead; having 3 ways to say a post is "good" is redundant and will open itself to abuse in the same way it already apparently had in the past when there were 4 ways to say so.
Having a single, non-descript option to rank a post up as being "worth reading" would be better than the current system which was designed to have a contrasting means to rank a post as being "not worth reading" which was removed.

I would hope instead of removing the buttons they remove the users who abuse them instead.

You can't. Which is exactly the problem. There's no way to tell how someone is using their button votes, so it's not something that can be moderated.

One would hope that a good forum community could just be mature about their posting habits and not simply use some of the fun button features as a means of trolling, but that may be hoping for too much...