johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Can you really not see why EP and DC think this stinks and are now suspicious of yellow players?

Hmm. Things you won't know about unless you were involved: A group of "blue" players who wouldn't respond in zone chat and that no-one knew who would do nothing but attack red usually at Chalman. Just coincidence? Maybe...but it's very convenient timing. Yellow spies in zone chat are accepted as the norm. Troll camping when forward camps existed was associated mostly with yellow - oh, you have a reputation for dirty tricks.

Wow you just get more and more deluded each day dont you? You dont think we have people stuck on Allesia bridge all day long, giving replys that they are only guesting and not giving a ***? Dont you think EP and DC activly trollcamped us aswell? Hell i even know that a certain DC guild had a seperate AD account to easily find AD camps / read zone / be involved on AD guilds teamspeaks.

Get a grip, its a flawed system, it have nothing to do with AD as a faction itself, get real.

Yeah, of course we do. But you always get some sort of reply eventually, even if it's only, "Sorry, I don't understand," or, "Eff off." This was different.

As to the rest, people wished to understand why AD's reputation stinks, and that isn't only down to the low population bonus. There is no doubt that if one faction starts abusing the system in a particular way the other two factions will do it eventually just to stay competitive (though some individuals will never succumb). Rightly or wrongly, the impression is that if it's dodgy AD do it first and/or worst.

Taking troll camps as an example, many pictures were produced showing the map covered with yellow troll camps (ie blue camps). Everyone does it said yellow. Eventually, after much abuse of yellow, one picture showing one blue troll camp (ie a yellow camp) was produced. People just laughed and said fake. Vampires and batswarm spamming - created and used by yellow. Perfectly legal. Pissed everyone off.

Perhaps most telling of all is that in zone chat it is completely taken for granted that yellow are cheating. There is no doubt about this. Maybe yellow have done nothing to deserve it - just bad luck, Zenimax, all the devs playing for your faction and coincidence. But if you want to understand why there is considerable hostility towards yellow, this sort of thing is why.

Edit: clarity

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Can you really not see why EP and DC think this stinks and are now suspicious of yellow players?

Hmm. Things you won't know about unless you were involved: A group of "blue" players who wouldn't respond in zone chat and that no-one knew who would do nothing but attack red usually at Chalman. Just coincidence? Maybe...but it's very convenient timing. Yellow spies in zone chat are accepted as the norm. Troll camping when forward camps existed was associated mostly with yellow - oh, you have a reputation for dirty tricks.

Wow you just get more and more deluded each day dont you? You dont think we have people stuck on Allesia bridge all day long, giving replys that they are only guesting and not giving a ***? Dont you think EP and DC activly trollcamped us aswell? Hell i even know that a certain DC guild had a seperate AD account to easily find AD camps / read zone / be involved on AD guilds teamspeaks.

Get a grip, its a flawed system, it have nothing to do with AD as a faction itself, get real.

Yeah, of course we do. But you always get some sort of reply eventually, even if it's only, "Sorry, I don't understand," or, "Eff off." This was different.

As to the rest, people wished to understand why AD's reputation stinks, and that isn't only down to the low population bonus. There is no doubt that if one faction starts abusing the system in a particular way the other two factions will do it eventually just to stay competitive (though some individuals will never succumb). Rightly or wrongly, the impression is that if it's dodgy AD do it first and/or worst.

Taking troll camps as an example, many pictures were produced showing the map covered with yellow troll camps (ie blue camps). Everyone does it said yellow. Eventually, after much abuse of yellow, one picture showing one blue troll camp (ie a yellow camp) was produced. People just laughed and said fake. Vampires and batswarm spamming - created and used by yellow. Perfectly legal. Pissed everyone off.

Perhaps most telling of all is that in zone chat it is completely taken for granted that yellow are cheating. There is no doubt about this. Maybe yellow have done nothing to deserve it - just bad luck, Zenimax, all the devs playing for your faction and coincidence. But if you want to understand why there is considerable hostility towards yellow, this sort of thing is why.

Edit: clarity

I think you should clarify once more.. That did not make sense to me. It just seems like a deluded madmans ranting

AD is given the pop bonus due to one and only single reason.


That single reason is ........................


















AD really has a low population !!!

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD is given the pop bonus due to one and only single reason.


That single reason is ........................


















AD really has a low population !!!

Evidence other than a bonus many feel you are manipulating? A guildmate who plays AD confirmed today he'd heard one AD guild leader begging another in zone chat a few nights back not to activate the low population glitch. I am glad to know that some AD leaders are concerned about this, but it would be helpful if they admitted to the devs at least that there is a problem.

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Jaerlach wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Can you really not see why EP and DC think this stinks and are now suspicious of yellow players?

Hmm. Things you won't know about unless you were involved: A group of "blue" players who wouldn't respond in zone chat and that no-one knew who would do nothing but attack red usually at Chalman. Just coincidence? Maybe...but it's very convenient timing. Yellow spies in zone chat are accepted as the norm. Troll camping when forward camps existed was associated mostly with yellow - oh, you have a reputation for dirty tricks.

Wow you just get more and more deluded each day dont you? You dont think we have people stuck on Allesia bridge all day long, giving replys that they are only guesting and not giving a ***? Dont you think EP and DC activly trollcamped us aswell? Hell i even know that a certain DC guild had a seperate AD account to easily find AD camps / read zone / be involved on AD guilds teamspeaks.

Get a grip, its a flawed system, it have nothing to do with AD as a faction itself, get real.

Yeah, of course we do. But you always get some sort of reply eventually, even if it's only, "Sorry, I don't understand," or, "Eff off." This was different.

As to the rest, people wished to understand why AD's reputation stinks, and that isn't only down to the low population bonus. There is no doubt that if one faction starts abusing the system in a particular way the other two factions will do it eventually just to stay competitive (though some individuals will never succumb). Rightly or wrongly, the impression is that if it's dodgy AD do it first and/or worst.

Taking troll camps as an example, many pictures were produced showing the map covered with yellow troll camps (ie blue camps). Everyone does it said yellow. Eventually, after much abuse of yellow, one picture showing one blue troll camp (ie a yellow camp) was produced. People just laughed and said fake. Vampires and batswarm spamming - created and used by yellow. Perfectly legal. Pissed everyone off.

Perhaps most telling of all is that in zone chat it is completely taken for granted that yellow are cheating. There is no doubt about this. Maybe yellow have done nothing to deserve it - just bad luck, Zenimax, all the devs playing for your faction and coincidence. But if you want to understand why there is considerable hostility towards yellow, this sort of thing is why.

Edit: clarity

Talk about dodgy if you want to, but you lose a lot of credibility when you start to claim some strategies are more or less wholesome than others. If its in the game and legal, its fair game (see: batswarming vampires). Its currently the thing to do (because negate), and everyone does it. Doing legal character things isn't cheating, even if it sucks for you or is overpowered.

Source: NA DC player.

I even specifically said it was legal. I'm explaining why there is a lot of hostility towards AD, and this was a part of it: the Batswarms annoyed a lot of people, and it's just another little thing that makes people dislike yellow, even if it is legal. Add that to all the thoroughly dodgy stuff they are widely believed to have done and well, they haven't many admirers.

If what I heard today is true - AD leaders know what is going on, they just won't admit it.

And I'm saying that including batswarms in accusations of being 'dodgy' or 'unreliable' is as stupid as including lethal arrow. Just because something is OP and someone else uses it better than you do doesn't reflect on their character in any way, shape or form.

Accuse them of troll camping, night capping, or anything else that is dodgy or frowned on in the community.

You're basically saying their character is questionable because they built better characters than you did. O NO BATS.

Cody wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

rsciw wrote: »

1k already? sheesh, that went fast.

1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.

I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.

And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.

Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.

If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.

1544 ticks are not that.

So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.

If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.

NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.

No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.

What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.

But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.

Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.

Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.

And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.

There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.

But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.

the fact you are defending this garbage mechanism astounds me.

You are acting no better than the pathetic AD on Haderus NA. Stop thinking about only AD and think about the stability of the entire server for a change. If Ad continues to get this bonus, there will be no PvP on whatever server this is. Trust me, I'v seen similar things happen over the last 7+ months.

If you want an empty cyrodiil, then keep going down the path you are going. Don't give me that "Strawman" crap you gave Agrippa; You and I both know I am right.

/facepalm, another idiot who can't read. The second sentence of the post of mine you quoted says "not once have I defended the low pop bonus". Then you say "the fact you are defending this garbage mechanism astounds me."

Go and get some reading lesson with that other dude.

I've even made a post on another thread saying DC deserve to win the campaign because of the effort and time they have put in. Yes, I couldn't give a rats who wins the campaign, the rewards are garbage for the average player. Everyone should experience a win once in a while, maybe then they wouldn't take it all so seriously.

And yes, you're creating another strawman, because you're fabricating an argument from my posts, and fabricating lies that I am in some way desperate to win campaigns and I'm biggin myself up as an AD member. Not once have I stated anything like this. I don't care where AD comes, never have, I simply want credit shown where its due. In this case, AD made a comeback (low pop bonus aside), that was worthy of report. DC pulled away by 12000 recently and I also said they've done well and should win the campaign.

So take your fail reading comprehension skills somewhere else. Idiot.

Turelus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

rsciw wrote: »

1k already? sheesh, that went fast.

1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.

I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.

And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.

Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.

If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.

1544 ticks are not that.

So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.

If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.

NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.

No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.

What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.

But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.

Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.

Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.

And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.

There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.

But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.

the fact you are defending this garbage mechanism astounds me.

You are acting no better than the pathetic AD on Haderus NA. Stop thinking about only AD and think about the stability of the entire server for a change. If Ad continues to get this bonus, there will be no PvP on whatever server this is. Trust me, I'v seen similar things happen over the last 7+ months.

If you want an empty cyrodiil, then keep going down the path you are going. Don't give me that "Strawman" crap you gave Agrippa; You and I both know I am right.

/facepalm, another idiot who can't read. The second sentence of the post of mine you quoted says "not once have I defended the low pop bonus". Then you say "the fact you are defending this garbage mechanism astounds me."

Go and get some reading lesson with that other dude.

I've even made a post on another thread saying DC deserve to win the campaign because of the effort and time they have put in. Yes, I couldn't give a rats who wins the campaign, the rewards are garbage for the average player. Everyone should experience a win once in a while, maybe then they wouldn't take it all so seriously.

And yes, you're creating another strawman, because you're fabricating an argument from my posts, and fabricating lies that I am in some way desperate to win campaigns and I'm biggin myself up as an AD member. Not once have I stated anything like this. I don't care where AD comes, never have, I simply want credit shown where its due. In this case, AD made a comeback (low pop bonus aside), that was worthy of report. DC pulled away by 12000 recently and I also said they've done well and should win the campaign.

So take your fail reading comprehension skills somewhere else. Idiot.

@pmn100b16_ESO uses constructive debating and logic

....

It's super effective!

And as long as I'm miss quoted by idiots who's braincell has malfunctioned, I'll continue to debate in the same way.

And for clarification, if there is a low pop bonus error, it needs to be rectified, preferably points deducted manually whenever it occurs.

#ADbestestAllianceYouAllLosers

Rhakon wrote: »

#$FACTIONLagZergCuddlers

#$FACTIONTrollcampDorks

Every faction does that, or did regarding troll camps, but whatever floats your boat...

In regards to low pop, if there's an exploit for that indeed, and if any of my guild members were involved in it, they'd be the first to fly out of the guild by my hand.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

You actually think we are manipulating this? lol.

No you exploit this!

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Subtomik wrote: »

All that effort to get a few k extra gold and some sullied bragging rights? Lol gg EU AD

You actually think we are manipulating this? lol.

I have been told by an AD player that you are. He overheard one guild leader asking another NOT to manipulate the low pop glitch.

I actually feel kinder towards AD in general now I believe the leadership are concerned about this and trying to combat the rogue elements; I do appreciate that me being convinced about something proves nothing in itself.

I should add again that if any Zenimax employee who's concern it is wishes to contact me I'll pass on the names I was given. I believe that the decent AD guild leader would actually be pleased to have this boil lanced.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

AD guild leaders of the main guilds on thorn = Shido, Phoenix, Ilmariell.

I highly doubt any of them are exploiting so please pass your info onto ZOS and they can tell you not to waste both their time and ours on the forums and get back to a positive discussion about the campaign.

there is nothing positiv
lowpop is demotivating nightcapping in superior numbers and than get 1600 points in one evaluation is ***


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