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Low population bonus - AD population bug
NerZhulen89
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In last month on thornblade EU, only one who ever gets the bonus is AD, they even get it f their population is on high and others are on medium. The devs say, that the population has to be lower for few days, well now they got it second time within 24 hours.
One guildie who playes on AD told me, that there is a que for cyrodiil even when the AD population is not locked (just when its high). The extremely frequent population bonus may be connected to this.
One guildie who playes on AD told me, that there is a que for cyrodiil even when the AD population is not locked (just when its high). The extremely frequent population bonus may be connected to this.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeah, the low population bonus trouble is still around, but I think most people have already given up on any kind of solution.2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS said on their live show in the Q&A they will be looking at making some changes for 1.6
No information on what that will be yet and still no official reply in the forums thread about the issue.
So many people could be made happy with a simple post about how they're planning to do something in 1.6 and they will give us more information close to the time. Not everyone watched the show after all.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Its almost like the people in the show who mentioned the upcoming fix have forgotten to inform the 'community' and 'manage' their expectations of the fix. I said almost... not exactly like...
Wonder if the post will be updated soon
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rsciw✭✭✭1.6 is not before mid - end January earliest I'd guess, by which time we (AD) will likely get more of that crappy bonus...
I feel bad for DC who had a much larger gap to us than what it's now, makes all effort quite pointless really
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭1.6 is not before mid - end January earliest I'd guess, by which time we (AD) will likely get more of that crappy bonus...
I feel bad for DC who had a much larger gap to us than what it's now, makes all effort quite pointless really
huh? AD are within a 1000 points now having been 12000 points down a few days ago. A very small amount of that came from the low pop bonus. The rest has just been a lot of effort and coordination on ADs part.Edited by pmn100b16_ESO on 22 December 2014 17:513 -
rsciw✭✭✭1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.0 -
Katanaq72Soul ShrivenNot really possible. Yesterday evening the gap was 9k. Today evening when I logged on the gap was 1k. 8k in one night and day!?!?
Makes me really want to give up and quit because I only PvP in ESO
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.0 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.0 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
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Thudunblundur✭✭✭If you take out the low population bonuses from this campaign and the last that have been documented then AD would have lost by many thousands of points. Add this to the fact that AD are not usually the low population faction then you have to wonder how an why they are getting this bonus at all. In addition suddenly all the AD we know and many we don't are in Thornblade EU - just in time to make the most of the bonus. What a coincidence.
Add to that a sudden new group who won't talk to the rest of us in zone chat and won't be persuaded to attack anything but Chalman and reds...when did we last see that? Oh about the time yellow got a big push organized last campaign. Coincidence again I'm sure.
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.1 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭I don't give a toss about internal yellow politics. I do care that the pvp campaign is made pointless by this mechanism and by yellow ability to take advantage of it whether that be by luck or judgement.
edit: typoEdited by Thudunblundur on 22 December 2014 19:040 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
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Thudunblundur✭✭✭The way it LOOKS to players of DC and EP is that AD are cheating their way to a win again, and it LOOKS as though Zenimax don't care in the slightest as long as our dollars come in.
That's how it LOOKS.2 -
pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.1 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
If you can't remember the exact count, how am I making anything up?
Your only point seems to be 'respect us because we will soon be winning due to being awesome'. Something that is both meaningless ego-stroking and blinding you to what's preventing EP/DC from wanting to continue to be your opponents in the future.
It doesn't matter what your perception of the low score bonus is -- you're the beneficiary -- it's what their perception is. And it's pretty consistent that they think it's being intentionally abused and despise it.
Why would they keep playing? Worse yet, why would they keep paying?
You want to keep your opponents, you want to have a fun game, you need to work with them to mitigate it.Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on 22 December 2014 19:34Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!2 -
Thudunblundur✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
You've cleared a 10,000 point lead in about 18 hours. And lost respect in proportion.1 -
pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
If you can't remember the exact count, how am I making anything up?
Your only point seems to be 'respect us because we will soon be winning due to being awesome'. Something that is both meaningless ego-stroking and blinding you to what's preventing EP/DC from wanting to continue to be your opponents in the future.
It doesn't matter what your perception of the low score bonus is -- you're the beneficiary -- it's what their perception is. And it's pretty consistent that they think it's being intentionally abused and despise it.
Why would they keep playing? Worse yet, why would they keep paying?
You want to keep your opponents, you want to have a fun game, you need to work with them to mitigate it.
More strawman.1 -
pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thudunblundur wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
You've cleared a 10,000 point lead in about 18 hours. And lost respect in proportion.
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Thudunblundur✭✭✭3,000+ in 2 hours as recorded in a screenshot showing low population bonus, and including a new record of 1577 (sadly not screenshotted).Edited by Thudunblundur on 22 December 2014 19:390
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
If you can't remember the exact count, how am I making anything up?
Your only point seems to be 'respect us because we will soon be winning due to being awesome'. Something that is both meaningless ego-stroking and blinding you to what's preventing EP/DC from wanting to continue to be your opponents in the future.
It doesn't matter what your perception of the low score bonus is -- you're the beneficiary -- it's what their perception is. And it's pretty consistent that they think it's being intentionally abused and despise it.
Why would they keep playing? Worse yet, why would they keep paying?
You want to keep your opponents, you want to have a fun game, you need to work with them to mitigate it.
More strawman.
Enjoy the empty Cyrodiil.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
If you can't remember the exact count, how am I making anything up?
Your only point seems to be 'respect us because we will soon be winning due to being awesome'. Something that is both meaningless ego-stroking and blinding you to what's preventing EP/DC from wanting to continue to be your opponents in the future.
It doesn't matter what your perception of the low score bonus is -- you're the beneficiary -- it's what their perception is. And it's pretty consistent that they think it's being intentionally abused and despise it.
Why would they keep playing? Worse yet, why would they keep paying?
You want to keep your opponents, you want to have a fun game, you need to work with them to mitigate it.
More strawman.
Enjoy the empty Cyrodiil.
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
If you can't remember the exact count, how am I making anything up?
Your only point seems to be 'respect us because we will soon be winning due to being awesome'. Something that is both meaningless ego-stroking and blinding you to what's preventing EP/DC from wanting to continue to be your opponents in the future.
It doesn't matter what your perception of the low score bonus is -- you're the beneficiary -- it's what their perception is. And it's pretty consistent that they think it's being intentionally abused and despise it.
Why would they keep playing? Worse yet, why would they keep paying?
You want to keep your opponents, you want to have a fun game, you need to work with them to mitigate it.
More strawman.
Enjoy the empty Cyrodiil.
Enjoy your reading lessons.
I can read just fine. Hope you find lots of new PvE content you haven't explored around Vlastarus and Cropsford. It'll keep you busy.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
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rsciw✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Thudunblundur wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »1k already? sheesh, that went fast.
1544 bonus for at least 1 hour if not two (as indicated by doggy in another thread) is not a small amount.
I know the effort and coordination we do, don't worry.
And how much of that would AD have genuinely had by having control of the map for that time. Not saying the low pop bonus is insignificant by any means, but I can already see the way this is going, and if we do win the campaign, it'll just be the 'low pop abuse' threads all over again. Just don't want the efforts of AD diminished in the discussion.
Considering that the maximum tick is usually +399 for controlling every single thing on the map, getting 1544 is nearly quadrupling that. So, AD was essentially gifted 4 hours of near full map control.
If that happens regulary, it will swing the scoreboard into their favor. No amount of coordination or effort can replicate that level of a swing. Good coordination and effort usually means beating your opponent's average score by a reasonable margin over a long period of time, cumulating in a win.
1544 ticks are not that.
So maybe 2000? Depending on it being 1 or 2 hour bonus. AD still closed the gap from 12000 to 1000 over a few days.
If it happened 1-2 hours a day, as seems to have been normal, then I can see that gap being erased in that time period easily.
NA servers have had similar occurrences, but our AD have a fairly respectable number of players and typically don't dip into that 'low pop' territory at night. It has happened though, where they've gotten 300+ point evalations for holding a few keeps and no scrolls.
No, our emp declared it last night, as far as anyone can tell it has only occured last night for maybe 2 hours.
What has happened over the past couple of days is pushing DC back to their gates and taking their scrolls. And from what I can tell, AD have been on since last night's emp crowning keeping control of the map. I logged on for the first time at lunch time today and could port to bleakers, which I've never done before because we still had control of the inner 6 and all 6 scrolls.
But lets forget about all that and talk about the low pop bonus.
Let's instead talk about how that population bonus is likely demoralizing the opposition.
Do you think you will continue to have a meaningful, competitive campaign if this continues? If its perceived as handing you the campaign? Stop thinking about how you should be owed your laurels and instead think about the health and stability of your community. If AD wins like this, why should EP/DC ever zone into Cyrodiil again? The outcome's predetermined.
And one day or two of owning the map and scrolls doesn't cover the 12K gap that's been reported.
There's the strawman. Not once have I defended the low pop bonus. I'd much rather be 3000 points behind now than 1000. And one to two days? Make more up why don't you. Its been at least 3, today the 4th, maybe even 5th I haven't been keeping exact count, you not being EU don't know either. And it is possible because DC were pulling away at the rate of ~2000 a day for a few days recently.
But I've made my point and you've proved it pretty well for me.
You've cleared a 10,000 point lead in about 18 hours. And lost respect in proportion.
Absolute rubbish
How's that rubbish? Last night we were 10-ish k behind DC, now we're almost on par?
What is rubbish about that? Other than the *** system itself?
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Thudunblundur✭✭✭Can you really not see why EP and DC think this stinks and are now suspicious of yellow players?
Hmm. Things you won't know about unless you were involved: A group of "blue" players who wouldn't respond in zone chat and that no-one knew who would do nothing but attack red usually at Chalman. Just coincidence? Maybe...but it's very convenient timing. Yellow spies in zone chat are accepted as the norm. Troll camping when forward camps existed was associated mostly with yellow - oh, you have a reputation for dirty tricks.
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✭Thudunblundur wrote: »Can you really not see why EP and DC think this stinks and are now suspicious of yellow players?
Hmm. Things you won't know about unless you were involved: A group of "blue" players who wouldn't respond in zone chat and that no-one knew who would do nothing but attack red usually at Chalman. Just coincidence? Maybe...but it's very convenient timing. Yellow spies in zone chat are accepted as the norm. Troll camping when forward camps existed was associated mostly with yellow - oh, you have a reputation for dirty tricks.
Wow you just get more and more deluded each day dont you? You dont think we have people stuck on Allesia bridge all day long, giving replys that they are only guesting and not giving a ***? Dont you think EP and DC activly trollcamped us aswell? Hell i even know that a certain DC guild had a seperate AD account to easily find AD camps / read zone / be involved on AD guilds teamspeaks.
Get a grip, its a flawed system, it have nothing to do with AD as a faction itself, get real.:]0
