Creative Challenge: Argonian Dragonknight

tinythinker · November 2014

Premise: You are constrained to setting the race as Argonian and class to DK.

Caveats: What we already know...

Yes, there are races better for stamina or magicka heavy builds to min-max whatever angle you are using.
Yes, even non-optimal races can be relatively powerful playing as DKs.
Yes, Nightblade Argonians can use a class passive to greatly compliment their racial potion bonus along with jewelry to either boost potion effectiveness or reduce potion cool-down times.
Heavy armor also compliments the bonuses to health traits found in Argonian racial traits, yet many min-maxers eschew heavy armor as inferior to light and medium.

Challenge: Create a fun and powerful build for either PvP or PvE.

Is there anything you can really take advantage of (hmmm, native poison resistance...) to make a build that compliments being Argonian or would it just be a matter of trying to make up for deficiencies while cramming the character into a cookie-cutter FotM?

BTW, nothing is disallowed beyond the premise, and I'm not suggesting that finding a way for an Argonian DK to thrive in a FotM build is a bad thing, but kudos for any attempts at originality. Yes, yes, I happen to have an Argonian DK as one of my characters I like to play as, and he's had lots of builds. They have been fun, I'm just hoping to find something else to try, to offer other Argonian DKs a place to get or share ideas, and to provide a challenge to theory-crafters to make something really clever or effective (or both).

Thanks to all who chime in.

Sord · November 2014

An Argonian DragonKnight Juggernaut. Cap on the bonus to heals and the health regen from HA and the Draconic Power line with the argonian natural ability to heal. Take all Draconic abilities which will give a +30% to health regen (5% from each Draconic ability slotted including dragon leap) with Green Dragon Blood for the heal and the 40% regen factor that is 70% health regen stack that with the HA for another 28% that is near on 100% regen stack that with the 1h/b damage midigation you will be a beast to take down and when you need to dragon leap out of there. Oh and don't forget Battle Roar the passive from the earthen heart line this is why dragon leap is good when you leap you recover some health stam and magica (not a ton but it will come a lot quicker and more often then the others)

Then have the 2 handed Hammer for pounding some people down with the new 2h powers adding bonuses to damage from momentum (and a self heal) topped with your molten armament for some extra crit chance and damage, throw down your standard and buring talons, have cleave or reverse slash to dish out some extra damage via stam and get it done! Just something quick that came to mind plus you would look pretty badar$ in some daedric armor with Orgnum's Scales for more health regen, all black with some fire red trim with as dark skinned as you can get.

Could be fun, makes me want to roll him up LOL only got a lvl 20 DK maybe he will be the DK I roll up for fun. I love my Argonian NB.

tinythinker · November 2014

That sounds interesting Sord.

I did something vaguely similar with only two or three Draconic skills with HA and I've never unlocked Leap. It would need some magicka pool and regen support, even if only a couple of abilities were used as bread and butter, which is why I suppose that the one and only set I ever had made for my DK was HA Seducer with (weak) Magicka glyphs. Haven't used it in a long while.

If you want to try out the idea, why not roll it on the PTS with a template? Obviously you would be limited to the gear the template comes with unless you spent a bit of time crafting, but you might still get a feel for how well it works.

For a stamina build, to go for a moment in the other direction, I was thinking that the innate poison resistance might make for a decent werewolf, with a bar for rapid ultimate gain next to compliment the werewolf bar. Potion glyphs to keep up resources. Didn't get much further than that generic outline, though.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · November 2014

At what percent does increased healing received cap?

tinythinker · November 2014

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

At what percent does increased healing received cap?

Great question, but that's one of those stats that doesn't show up on the standard UI. Not sure if there is an add on that even shows the healing received bonus.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · November 2014

I recently made my Argonian templar LA healer a new build:
DW/2H 5M/2L Stam dps Argonian templar werewolf (challenge accepted)
its fun but dont think it will be that effective once I got everything lvl'd

Cody · November 2014

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

bertenburnyb16_ESO · November 2014

now I fot the full dwemer motif, and since I already have a tank set and light dps set on my DK, I'm thinking of making a 3th set for my argonian
5H/2L 1H+S/(Rstaff or 2H) Tank build, prob gonna use Histbark as main set (for the dodge, its to nice) could use some suggestions on the second set, still gotta grind some dwemer style maths

I call him Dwemgonian

spryler · November 2014

I wanted to roll a tank and chose Argonian Templer. The passives are actually quite good for a tank - health, resists, increased healing received and increased potion effectiveness. Plus I like being able to swim fast!

I wanted to do something different and I'm enjoying it so far. His name and Gives-and-gets (second bar is resto staff) !

Night-claw · November 2014

there not many argonain DK or at least i haven't seen any beside me and i claim to be the best pvp Argonain dk EU! it main i couldn't do without him and as said above

Cody wrote: »

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

this works well

i use 5 light 2 heavy Sword and board and resto staff and "yes just because you dk with dragonblood doesn't mean you don't need to be heal or use other heals" with passive ability's and my skill i just can't die due to my heal/purging of meatbags on less im extremely out numbered.

Argonain master race

tinythinker · November 2014

Night-claw wrote: »

there not many argonain DK or at least i haven't seen any beside me and i claim to be the best pvp Argonain dk EU! it main i couldn't do without him and as said above

Cody wrote: »

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

this works well i use 5 light 2 heavy Sword and board and resto staff and "yes just because you dk with dragonblood doesn't mean you don't need to be heal or use other heals" with passive ability's and my skill i just can't die due to my heal/purging of meatbags on less im extremely out numbered.

Argonain master race

I used to use sword/shield and resto all the time. Definitely a solid way to play a DK. I'm curious what specific sets you use for gear and about the skill bars that go with them. If you don't mind sharing, that is.

Night-claw · November 2014

tinythinker wrote: »

Night-claw wrote: »

there not many argonain DK or at least i haven't seen any beside me and i claim to be the best pvp Argonain dk EU! it main i couldn't do without him and as said above

Cody wrote: »

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

this works well i use 5 light 2 heavy Sword and board and resto staff and "yes just because you dk with dragonblood doesn't mean you don't need to be heal or use other heals" with passive ability's and my skill i just can't die due to my heal/purging of meatbags on less im extremely out numbered.

Argonain master race

I used to use sword/shield and resto all the time. Definitely a solid way to play a DK. I'm curious what specific sets you use for gear and about the skill bars that go with them. If you don't mind sharing, that is.

Sure

Race: Argonain : Werewolf

Class: Dragonknigh

Attributes: magicka 20 health 22 stamina 20

Gear/sets: i plan on using 2x footman jellewary 5x hist bark or willows path(switch ever suit my build the best) 3x pact sword and shield + neckless and 2x blood spawn set

PVP Build : http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mzoz9Rmii8fXGH8uzEd8Gsbb8utfq8uzEm8umHI8uELs8Gsdx8heaf8ugIa8uEI18jb3e8L7JcdoQr6MdoQC6MdoQF6MdoQJ6MdoQK8T7JLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7HrR3f6MfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI8v7HranW6Mhy3D6Mhx0n6Mhx0y6Mhx0l6Mhx0B8E7DLzmY6rzm16LzVS6MuciH6MuciS6Muci46Muchq8l7DLzoC6qzkA6rzky6Lzkg6MuvVB6MuvVD6MuvVJ6MuvVO8B7Jrzsb6rzsw6MGkXa6MGkXf6MGkXG6MGkXN8P7kcLncp6cLncn6zLyjz8U7RMTkTV6MTkTs6MTkTq8X7krfLW6zjs3S6Mjs3W6Mjs3X6Mjs3Y6zjs3Z6Mjs328zo7pcvbiW6zvbho6cvbhk6cvbhs8za7RrGF46MlNrt6MlNrE6MlNrB8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

none of this is set in stone but there ya go!
build made with tanking in pvp in mind

any question pm me

ps sorry if the thread is going of topic with this?.

tinythinker · November 2014

Night-claw wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Night-claw wrote: »

there not many argonain DK or at least i haven't seen any beside me and i claim to be the best pvp Argonain dk EU! it main i couldn't do without him and as said above

Cody wrote: »

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

this works well i use 5 light 2 heavy Sword and board and resto staff and "yes just because you dk with dragonblood doesn't mean you don't need to be heal or use other heals" with passive ability's and my skill i just can't die due to my heal/purging of meatbags on less im extremely out numbered.

Argonain master race

I used to use sword/shield and resto all the time. Definitely a solid way to play a DK. I'm curious what specific sets you use for gear and about the skill bars that go with them. If you don't mind sharing, that is.

Sure

Race: Argonain : Werewolf

Class: Dragonknigh

Attributes: magicka 20 health 22 stamina 20

Gear/sets: i plan on using 2x footman jellewary 5x hist bark or willows path(switch ever suit my build the best) 3x pact sword and shield + neckless and 2x blood spawn set

PVP Build : http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

none of this is set in stone but there ya go!
build made with tanking in pvp in mind

any question pm me

ps sorry if the thread is going of topic with this?.

Thanks. This couldn't be more on topic, so no worries.

Cody · November 2014

Night-claw wrote: »

there not many argonain DK or at least i haven't seen any beside me and i claim to be the best pvp Argonain dk EU! it main i couldn't do without him and as said above

Cody wrote: »

the poison resistance MAY make a good argonian werewolf. combine that with the powers of a DK and you may have you a good argonian DK

this works well i use 5 light 2 heavy Sword and board and resto staff and "yes just because you dk with dragonblood doesn't mean you don't need to be heal or use other heals" with passive ability's and my skill i just can't die due to my heal/purging of meatbags on less im extremely out numbered.

Argonain master race

argonians are the superior race. i dont understand why people keep on questioning this fact. it amazes me how foolish people can be

bertenburnyb16_ESO · November 2014

Dwemgonian

*masterrace

Jitterbug · November 2014

tinythinker wrote: »

Challenge: Create a fun and powerful build for either PvP or PvE.

Wouldn't it be the same as every other DK build?

Invasion, Talons, Whip, Dragon's Blood, Scales

Why would being an Argonian change that?

tinythinker · November 2014

Jitterbug wrote: »

Wouldn't it be the same as every other DK build?

Invasion, Talons, Whip, Dragon's Blood, Scales

Why would being an Argonian change that?

tinythinker wrote: »

Premise: You are constrained to setting the race as Argonian and class to DK.

Caveats: What we already know...
Yes, even non-optimal races can be relatively powerful playing as DKs.

Is there anything you can really take advantage of (hmmm, native poison resistance...) to make a build that compliments being Argonian or would it just be a matter of trying to make up for deficiencies while cramming the character into a cookie-cutter FotM?