Twin Sisters - what a marvelously dumb idea.

Baphomet · October 2014

So, I've noticed that this set bonus feat seem pretty broken and overpowered - for a number of reasons @ZoS.

1. It delivers way more damage than the description states. I've had it tick on me for up to 320 dmg per second. And in general, it always ticks for more than it is supposed to.
2. The damage cannot be mitigated and doesn't take resistances into account, it seems.
3. You can have multiple twin sister DoTs on your character at the same time should you be unlucky enough to trigger it on multiple enemies in a cluster****.
4. If you're fighting someone with the set, due to the block+attack mechanics of the game, you are almost guaranteed to trigger it at some point, and that's 1/4 to 1/3 of your health bar gone, right there. Nothing you can do about it. That is not balance dear devs.
5. I am fairly certain that I've had it trigger on me by persons I have not hit in combat - could it be that you can somehow trigger it from attacking if you're wearing the set?

This DoT effect from the Twin Sisters armor set needs some adjustment. The proc chance or the damage should definately be looked at.

Darthryan · October 2014

Also its still in affect after u kill that person. But I doubt this has been reported or if it has, obviously there been nothing done about it. But maybe that's working as intended. I don't know anymore about what's supposed to be working correctly.

Varicite · October 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

5. I am fairly certain that I've had it trigger on me by persons I have not hit in combat - could it be that you can somehow trigger it from attacking if you're wearing the set?

Twin Sisters will proc from some AoE effects, like Caltrops, etc.

Could it be possible this may have happened to you?

Also, should probably note that multi-hit attacks will trigger the Twin Sisters proc 100% on every single hit. Flurry will basically kill you if you try to use it against anyone wearing the set.

I know Surprise Attack also procs it 100% of the time.

This set definitely needs to be looked at. The thing is just buggy and more and more people are starting to exploit it.

ZOS, this set is a problem. Please fix.

Saet · October 2014

I've died to this damn set lately more than anything else when I'm running with small groups.

Gilvoth · October 2014

the only reason its hitting you is because YOU are a dragonite, useing reflective wings

nothing about it is stacking and nothing about it is overpowered or out of balance, especialy when it only works rarely and it even says 20% chance to work right on the description.
just because you are starting to finally die to other people now as a dragonight when you have had a free ride now for over a year does not mean things are broken, it just means that finaly things are starting to become balanced and working properly

Gilvoth · October 2014

oh and by the way, you mention that you lost 1/3 of your health?
haha, dont you remember that you dragonights have a skill that instantly heals you and recovers 30% of any lost health.

Varicite · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the only reason its hitting you is because YOU are a dragonite, useing reflective wings
nothing about it is stacking and nothing about it is overpowered or out of balance, especialy when it only works rarely and it even says 20% chance to work right on the description.
just because you are starting to finally die to other people now as a dragonight when you have had a free ride now for over a year does not mean things are broken, it just means that finaly things are starting to become balanced and working properly

Uh, no.

The set is bugged. I thought this was common knowledge by now, but apparently not.

It's not a 20% chance to proc, it's a 100% chance to proc on many abilities. That's why it's bugged.

Sounds like somebody's been exploiting this set w/out realizing it, perhaps.

Gilvoth · October 2014

uh, no..
as a matter of fact i was the guy killed him and i know for a fact why he died and it was not from the twin sisters set

Gilvoth · October 2014

the only reason you think it is 100% is because every single time you attack me there is a 20% chance its going to proc. thats alot of hits and alot of dice rolling, it is bound to take effect eventually

Varicite · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

uh, no..
as a matter of fact i was the guy killed him and i know for a fact why he died and it was not from the twin sisters set

This really has 0 bearing on whether the set is bugged or not.

I don't honestly care who killed who or how. I'm in this thread because the set has a very noticeably bugged proc rate.

Or are you trying to tell me that my Surprise Attack proc'ing it 100% of the time, every time, every day is somehow every single opponent wearing Twin Sisters "beating the odds"? Yeah, no.

I didn't say anything about the DoT "stacking" or anything else mentioned in the OP. I'm just here to let ZoS know my own experiences w/ this set, which has been bugged since the last patch at least.

Gilvoth · October 2014

oh, and by the way
you guys now i notice have started to not hit me and just stand there with mass buble and huge stacked shields cheat, well i have decided to now just stand there with you as you hold block
when you guys finally decide to start using actual skills that zen has provided on your skill line instead of constant fire ring, whip lash and bat swarm and impulse then maybe youll realize that the game is fun and has alot more to offer then just those buttons.
but if you continue to use them against me then this is where my "twin sisters set" is going to be used and working as intended

Varicite · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

oh, and by the way
you guys now i notice have started to not hit me and just stand there with mass buble and huge stacked shields cheat, well i have decided to now just stand there with you as you hold block
when you guys finally decide to start using actual skills that zen has provided on your skill line instead of constant fire ring, whip lash and bat swarm and impulse then maybe youll realize that the game is fun and has alot more to offer then just those buttons.
but if you continue to use them against me then this is where my "twin sisters set" is going to be used and working as intended

Again, none of that has anything to do w/ anything....

I'm not even sure who you're talking to anymore. I don't use any of those things, lol.

Gilvoth · October 2014

the twin sisters set only proc's 20% of the time just as it says it does.
i have tested it and i know for a fact its only 20% chance to work

many many times it does not work

Gilvoth · October 2014

have you ever considered the fact that you are not bleeding from the twin sisters set? and perhaps you are bleeding from some other skill i am using?
haha, i specialize in bleed effects my friend, why not take a few moments and look into the nightblade bleeding skills and see that you might be bleeding from somthing that is not related to the twin sister set

Varicite · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

have you ever considered the fact that you are not bleeding from the twin sisters set? and perhaps you are bleeding from some other skill i am using?
haha, i specialize in bleed effects my friend, why not take a few moments and look into the nightblade bleeding skills and see that you might be bleeding from somthing that is not related to the twin sister set

I'm not sure if you realize this, but I'm not the OP....

Sanct16 · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

have you ever considered the fact that you are not bleeding from the twin sisters set? and perhaps you are bleeding from some other skill i am using?
haha, i specialize in bleed effects my friend, why not take a few moments and look into the nightblade bleeding skills and see that you might be bleeding from somthing that is not related to the twin sister set

Noone gives a *** about YOU. Twin Sisters is bugged.

Aeratus · October 2014

The only change needed to the Twin Sisters set is that its death recap icon should be trollface.

Varicite · October 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Okay, there are two issues with Twin Sister currently that will be addressed in Update 5. The first, mentioned earlier, is that the proc isn't working properly. The second is that the bleed effect is stacking on your target, which is not intended.

Also @Ifthir_ESO‌, the next patch we have will be Update 5, and that's the soonest we can get this fix out!

Gee, look at that @dwemer_paleologist, you were wrong on both counts.

I did try to say that you were using a broken set and probably didn't realize it, but instead you rudely insisted on being right.

/shrug

TheBucket · October 2014

I've been using Twins since April, and I really hope they don't destroy this set because it's bugged. It was working fine before this little hiccup, and I only use it now because I don't want to spend gold or AP on new armor for just a patch

Baphomet · October 2014

Ha ha ha, hit a guy in Cyrodiil just now who quickly stealthed up and escaped after only one hit. I procced twin sisters and it ticked for 160 dmg a sec and continiued until it had dealt 1600 dmg to my character.

Riiight, this armor set is working as intended.

TheBucket · October 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

Ha ha ha, hit a guy in Cyrodiil just now who quickly stealthed up and escaped after only one hit. I procced twin sisters and it ticked for 160 dmg a sec and continiued until it had dealt 1600 dmg to my character.

Riiight, this armor set is working as intended.

It would of never done that much damage. Unless you hit him twice or three times and the proc stacked.

It happens rarely but is 100% on certain abilities.

So dont surprise attack anyone.

Baphomet · October 2014

Hmm, I was using crushing shock - maybe it tripple procs the ability then, seeing as the attack has three different components to it.

bosmern_ESO · October 2014

How about we fix the storm knight first, The 5 set for it is 5% chance to do AoE shock damage when hit, but in reality its a 100% proc rating. I found out today because I jumped a guy with it, decided to use flurry to drop his stamina, but every single one of my flurry pokes proced the lightning AoE and it was as if he was impulsing (though he wasnt because he had S/S)

Xsorus · October 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

How about we fix the storm knight first, The 5 set for it is 5% chance to do AoE shock damage when hit, but in reality its a 100% proc rating. I found out today because I jumped a guy with it, decided to use flurry to drop his stamina, but every single one of my flurry pokes proced the lightning AoE and it was as if he was impulsing (though he wasnt because he had S/S)

That's not storm knight, that's thunderous plate, and yes flurry will get you killed from it

Joy_Division · October 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

Hmm, I was using crushing shock - maybe it tripple procs the ability then, seeing as the attack has three different components to it.

Yep. Even funnier when your 28 meters away on a keep wall blasting away at a target below who is obvious...exactly how are the axes causing so much bleeding damage to me way up here?

Brasseurfb16_ESO · October 2014

Joy_Division wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

Hmm, I was using crushing shock - maybe it tripple procs the ability then, seeing as the attack has three different components to it.

Yep. Even funnier when your 28 meters away on a keep wall blasting away at a target below who is obvious...exactly how are the axes causing so much bleeding damage to me way up here?

80th magic!

Cody · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

oh, and by the way
you guys now i notice have started to not hit me and just stand there with mass buble and huge stacked shields cheat, well i have decided to now just stand there with you as you hold block
when you guys finally decide to start using actual skills that zen has provided on your skill line instead of constant fire ring, whip lash and bat swarm and impulse then maybe youll realize that the game is fun and has alot more to offer then just those buttons.
but if you continue to use them against me then this is where my "twin sisters set" is going to be used and working as intended

shut up! the set is bugged!!!

Cody · October 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

have you ever considered the fact that you are not bleeding from the twin sisters set? and perhaps you are bleeding from some other skill i am using?
haha, i specialize in bleed effects my friend, why not take a few moments and look into the nightblade bleeding skills and see that you might be bleeding from somthing that is not related to the twin sister set

NB bleeding skills???

just.... no.

michaelb14a_ESO2 · October 2014

Ah yes,
@dwemer_paleologist‌ chased from yet another twin sisters thread. Face it, ZOS has already stated its not working as intended... so much for your "tests" lol

capcody · November 2014

i threw caltrops down on a zerg of players and to get killed by twin sisters from several players just blocking and walking there way out of it.. and the amount of times it stacks is silly,like how can u block some spikes on the ground hitting your feet and reflect damage back at the player via set proc. beats me . logic is broken

oldRagespell · November 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the only reason its hitting you is because YOU are a dragonite, useing reflective wings
nothing about it is stacking and nothing about it is overpowered or out of balance, especialy when it only works rarely and it even says 20% chance to work right on the description.
just because you are starting to finally die to other people now as a dragonight when you have had a free ride now for over a year does not mean things are broken, it just means that finaly things are starting to become balanced and working properly

I'm a Sorc.