Dragonknight - Dual Weild vs. 2Hander

Mricci1988 · October 2014

Hey all!

Rerolled my main Templar to DK (yes yes yes flame me if you want for that).

The Templar output was not high enough for me and I prefer being a melee DPS in your face type of player.

So DK...Seems to have less burst then my Templar at early levels...(Puncturing Sweep was a lot of front loaded burst at the early levels I guess..)

Right now I am stuck with 2 decisions (my weapon swap will be Sword and Board 100%).

Dual Wield seems to have moderate AOE / Single Target but no gap closer:
- Unstable Flame
- Indigenous Weapons
- Flurry
- Steel Tornado
- ??? (no idea for a 5th skill...Empowering chain? Molten Whip? other?)

2Hander Doesn't seem like a lot of AOE:
- Critical Rush
- Indigenous Weapons
- Unstable Flame
- Carve
- Rally

I will be rolling 5 heavy 2 Medium (Stamina enchants and 0/49/0 attributes)

Race is Imperial.

Can someone help me decide between these 2 weapons....I really only want to do melee DPS.

My preference is DW for just personal reasons (I do Kendo and fight with 2 Shinai's) but I feel like everyone is going with 2Hander (Yes Kendo uses a single Shinai modeling 2 handed weapons in this game)

What is everyones thoughts

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO · October 2014

My DK runs DW, my first bar looks like your example there, and my 5th skill swaps depending on situation. Usually I run either Flame Lash or Blood Craze there. Talons is very useful for DW also, as you do 15% more damage against immobilized enemies

Stannum · October 2014

Mricci1988 wrote: »

Dual Wield seems to have moderate AOE / Single Target but no gap closer:
- Unstable Flame
- Indigenous Weapons
- Flurry
- Steel Tornado
- ??? (no idea for a 5th skill...Empowering chain? Molten Whip? other?)

1. ??? = GDB, imho with stamina weapon build - must have.
2. You want to use that skill on one bar? Usually it's more usefull to have AoE bar and singl target focus bar separately. Steel Tornado should be used with burning breath and burning talons.
3. Flurry is good in the begining for PvE but Flying blade is more universal and is deffinitely better for PvP (and you also don't need to gap close).

Mricci1988 · October 2014

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Mricci1988 wrote: »

Dual Wield seems to have moderate AOE / Single Target but no gap closer:
- Unstable Flame
- Indigenous Weapons
- Flurry
- Steel Tornado
- ??? (no idea for a 5th skill...Empowering chain? Molten Whip? other?)

1. ??? = GDB, imho with stamina weapon build - must have.
2. You want to use that skill on one bar? Usually it's more usefull to have AoE bar and singl target focus bar separately. Steel Tornado should be used with burning breath and burning talons.
3. Flurry is good in the begining for PvE but Flying blade is more universal and is deffinitely better for PvP (and you also don't need to gap close).

Hey bud,

that's cool I will try it out....

So lets go with something like this then:

Single Target DPS:
- Indigenous Weapons
- Unstable Flame
- Molten Whip
- Flurry (Rapid Strike)
- Green Dragon Blood

AoE DPS:
- Indigenous Weapons
- Burning breath
- Steel Tornado
- Green Dragon Blood
- Shrouded Daggers

tinythinker · October 2014

Mricci1988 wrote: »

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Mricci1988 wrote: »

Dual Wield seems to have moderate AOE / Single Target but no gap closer:
- Unstable Flame
- Indigenous Weapons
- Flurry
- Steel Tornado
- ??? (no idea for a 5th skill...Empowering chain? Molten Whip? other?)

1. ??? = GDB, imho with stamina weapon build - must have.
2. You want to use that skill on one bar? Usually it's more usefull to have AoE bar and singl target focus bar separately. Steel Tornado should be used with burning breath and burning talons.
3. Flurry is good in the begining for PvE but Flying blade is more universal and is deffinitely better for PvP (and you also don't need to gap close).

Hey bud,

that's cool I will try it out....

So lets go with something like this then:

Single Target DPS:
- Indigenous Weapons
- Unstable Flame
- Molten Whip
- Flurry (Rapid Strike)
- Green Dragon Blood

AoE DPS:
- Indigenous Weapons
- Burning breath
- Steel Tornado
- Green Dragon Blood
- Shrouded Daggers

Igneous Weapons lasts well over a minute, so it would be easy to swap to reset it. That would free up a slot on one your bars.

xarguideb17_ESO · October 2014

Which would be the better choice for single target dps for DK? DW or 2H?
Is 2H better in PVP?

Mricci1988 · October 2014

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

Which would be the better choice for single target dps for DK? DW or 2H?
Is 2H better in PVP?

2H I find has more AOE and buff...as well as a decent execute (Reverse Slash morphed into Executioner)

- Critical Charge (Gap Closer)
- Uppercut knock down
- Rally (weapon damage buff etc.)
- Swap to something else
- do damage
- Swap back
- Use Critical Charge
- Spam execute

xarguideb17_ESO · October 2014

I think DW aoe is way better with steel tornado:
* it has more range
* goes all around you
* has no dot, all damage is instant
* damage increased vs low health enemies

I just like the style, the look of 2H, so I'm trying to convince myself to use it :-P
Uppercut is cool, but the casting delay is very annoying.
At vr3 with softcapped weapon damage I can stealth attack NPC-s for 2.2k dam.
But I guess this isn't as viable in PVP, very hard to stealth attack another player with a delayed attack I suppose.
The thing I like the least, is that 2H has one weapon slot less than DW. So that means one item less from an item set.

Stannum · October 2014

DW also grants you one more set bonus and one more enchantment bonus.

Khivas_Carrick · October 2014

Why I think ALL two handed slot weapons such as bows and the like should give more with their enchants and count for two pieces of a set.

Ok that second one is a bit much perhaps but the increased damage and enchant effect isn't much at all to ask for.

Stannum · October 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Ok that second one is a bit much perhaps but the increased damage and enchant effect isn't much at all to ask for.

If you have 2slot weapon in PvP you have to choose to enchant it for crushing to suppres enemy armour or for disease or poison to suppres enemy healing. With DW you can enchant main for crushing and secondary for disease so enemy will have both debuffs.

spryler · October 2014

Mricci1988 wrote: »

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

Which would be the better choice for single target dps for DK? DW or 2H?
Is 2H better in PVP?

2H I find has more AOE and buff...as well as a decent execute (Reverse Slash morphed into Executioner)

- Critical Charge (Gap Closer)
- Uppercut knock down
- Rally (weapon damage buff etc.)
- Swap to something else
- do damage
- Swap back
- Use Critical Charge
- Spam execute

Could you elaborate on the "do damage" part. You said 2H has more AOE, but Critical Charge and Uppercut are single target. What do you use to do AOE damage with a 2 hander, splash damage only? Cleave?