DMG Shields - Working as intended?

Zubba · September 2014

I'm having problems killing shield spammers in my magicka build too. I usually do around 5-10 percent damage (from their total health) to them Before I am dead or try to escape.

DDuke · September 2014

Tankqull wrote: »

sounds to me more like you met a guy abusing the vamp mist exploit than a problem regarding shields.

No, that was just one instance of where the shield spamming can kill you, even if you do everything correctly as a stamina player. There is simply nothing that can counter it, when you need to spend 2x the stamina/magicka to get rid of the shield than your opponent spent casting it. If players were able to crit on dmg shields, that would fix one of the problems atleast.

Tankqull wrote: »

and beside that the 2 most usefull shields are up to every one... and would have saved your a.. if you would have used them aswell

Pick up a shield skill as stamina user, and you'll find that the shield that protects you for 1k is 400-500 dmg instead and costs 1/3 of your magicka. Not that I'd pick one anyhow, as I'm playing a "rogue" archetype with DW/Bow, whom I'd expect to destroy cloth wearing class cannons (unless they CC me & kill me first) & struggle against heavily armoured tanks.

I won't be forced to use a certain playstyle again. I already have to do that for Trials/PvE.
I've found stamina to be fine in PvP against anyone but dmg shield spammers. Even when starting fights out of stealth I can go 1vX no problem.

Zubba wrote: »

I'm having problems killing shield spammers in my magicka build too. I usually do around 5-10 percent damage (from their total health) to them Before I am dead or try to escape.

Yes, I should be more clear that it isn't a problem only for the stamina builds. Magicka builds cannot crit on shields either and magicka vs magicka fights become eternal fights when both are spamming dmg shield. If the other guy isn't, he loses. I've seen this happen so many times...

Rune_Relic · September 2014

1. What amazes me is the shield blocks 50% damage regardless of the amount of damage. When you look the other way the attacker would be having a higher damage% with a better weapon. So say 50% damage cap with one and 75% damage cap with another. A 50% shield should pass 0% of 50% damage and 25% of 75% damage (as opposed to 25% of 50% damage and 37.5% of 75% damage).

Still haven't got my head around this system yet....anyone have the complete ins and outs of the combat maths ?

2. If I get a CRIT.....I get a CRIT. If the crit is blocked for some reason....I DONT get a CRIT. So yes I agree with the OP. Either I have a crit or I don't. If I do have a crit then it bypasses shields. Otherwise its a bit like saying I stabbed the guy through the armour into the armpit...but he was fine cos he had his shield up ???

HeroOfNone · September 2014

You'very got me curious now if brawler on a 2 hander would be better than most sword and board builds or magicka shields on resto. The shield is near instant cast, increases with how many you hit, and will now make you immune to crit as long as it holds. Forget getting defense, g stack medium, stamina, stamina regen, green dragon blood, and spam brawler any time a major hit is coming. And in either that armor that gives a shield on low health, or lower cc, or one of the sets that damages others when hit and you just need to charge in and swing to attrition down single or small crit build groups

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · September 2014

Everyone using impen makes the damage shield anti crit irrelevant, I still use impen, believe it or not I can't keep it up infinantly and do die; I likely along with everyone else want crit resist in between shields. Also irrelevant is the very difficult to pull of blazing shield exploit which I don't use because its an exploit. Look up how it works its not easy and impractle. My b shield is procing for around 450.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · September 2014

There are Templar builds capable of achieving 1,4k DPS in trials. In PvP, you can hit people for 10k dmg with blazing shield or stunlock them with Biting Jabs. The fact that you havent figured out how to get the most out of your Templar doesn't mean they aren't viable. I have 3 alts, one Templar, one DK & one Sorcerer.

you dont measure DPS with aoe on mobs, measure it single target, my healer can easily hit 2+k dps on a mob of 6+ with an ult + blazing spear+ puncturing sweep. nobody cares about that. when it comes to a boss with no adds templars cant pull their weight in the sense that other classes with the type of build your suggesting can do more/easier/more sustainably.
yes blazing spear into biting jabs is very good in pvp and I use it, but the dps is not very good single target, the stunlock makes it viable, measure that combo's dps on a boss, its laughable.

sorry for keeping it about templars, but to me its an important issue, I personally think that in the character design they gave us the most powerful shield for balance purposes. I dont care if they take crit resist away that much because i run impen anyway, but it still makes sense not to crit a shield.

Kypho · September 2014

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

first of all, what skill is that? what is a 1000 point damage shield available to ANY magica build; oh ya, there isnt one. and if your talking about magica harness, which is heavily used, its only about 350 and you take 50% less SPELLDAMAGE so stamina builds can blow through that with almost any move.
If your talking about blazing shield then its only available to templars, all builds can use it, and besides, every class has a unique ability that frustrates everyone. Im sure i dont need to spell it out for you because everyone knows what they are.
or is a differnt class skill your confused about? im not sure but you dont seem to have a very good grasp on this issue.

and p.s. why would you critically hit a target when you havent even hit the target at all? It makes perfect sense to have no mitigation from either side; you cant further block from inside or cant crit a barrier, seems fine to me. how does that not make perfect sense?

"My" issue isn't with a particular class or skill, it is with dmg shields.

Why should there be certain abilities that render multiple builds (all stamina builds included) absolutely useless against them without having any kind of drawbacks? There is the concept of balance you should consider.

Every class has access to a strong dmg shield (restoration staff) and apart from that, there's Hardened Ward (sorcerers) & Blazing Shield (templars) both granting 1k+ shields for next to no mana.

You can easily just spam one of these shields on yourself, while an archer or dual wield character is throwing all his stamina nuking you, ending with the archer at 0 stamina & you at 50% magicka, while you're free to do whatever while the shield holds. Do I need to spell out how that ends? Of course the other option is for stamina user to run away, but how is that balanced PvP when the other can just press one button for dmg shield and win the fight?

I do not believe dmg shields are working as intended at the moment, and if they are, the devs have done a terrible job at balancing.

I completely disagree. No drawback? You have to spend resources and you are casting defense instead of attacking. Have you even played other classes. I love playing a Templar but its a well known fact that our DPs is a joke, the only thing we have is survivability. Our DPs moves have debuffs Or cc, holding back our DPs, but its good for PvP. The fact is that it Is about balance, its hard to get a Templar to get half the nb single target DPs, so we defend, that's the balance and that's why they gave us the best shield. Your just QQ.

Lol what a BS lie. My templar out dps and ofc out heal NB no need even to spam shield. on more vs me, ofc i stack shield and jab like a mofo. Temp is overpowered joke and easy to play. Dont lie to ppl here, most rolled DK and OPlar too, and know how OP they are compared to NB.

Kypho · September 2014

DDuke wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

every opener attack from stealth blow up any shield even triple sorc stacks so its a non issue

Let me tell you what happened the other day...

I've got 236 weapon dmg, 75% crit (was pre-patch) & 2,4k stamina. I see a sorcerer at 30% health. Oh, should be easy I think. Sorcerer has a dmg shield up. I snipe, sorcerer's shield is gone and he takes.. 100 damage. Another shield comes up, I start nuking him with light attack + venom arrow (animation canceling ofc), just to get another shield pop up.

I switch to melee, ambush him, fear him with Mass Hysteria, nuke that shield with flying blades (each hitting for 550~), he runs, shield holds. He's out of fear, pops another shield, I keep throwing knives & light attacks with animation cancel. I fear again with perfect timing when his CC immunity runs out, and the shield holds again... I pop a potion and keep going. This repeats a couple of times, with me throwing a couple Dark Cloak->Surprise Attack armor reduce+stun combos in between.

I'm at low health at this point, because I've been DoTted and hit by light attacks & a couple endless furys (crystal shards I dodge ofc). Finally, I'm out of stamina and magicka, the sorcerer crystal shards me once (no stamina for dodging at that point) and I'm dead.

Similar scenarios happen against other damage shields as well (Blazing Shield comes to mind), and the only way a stamina build can beat those is if the opponent decides to not use dmg shield.

I lose a little bit of faith in humanity every time I read someone trying to defend them.

Completly true. Best and funny stuff when NB ambushing my templar. popping shield, and awesomeheals, then charge, jab NB who tries to cloak LOL... but too late lol....
Just give up on crapblade and roll DK or Templar. No need for NB at all when you have 2 easymode classes. Just give up on that crapblade

Kypho · September 2014

500-800 jab ftw lol

Tankqull · September 2014

800-1400 surprise attacks ftw lol wich is insta on top allowing you to perma block mega lol ...