I think the blind rune idea has a lot of merit. I would like to see it blind until it actually drops into your bag. The node simply says 'Rune', and after you gather it you can see what you got in your bag.

I don't do enchanting on my main, and I don't have the storage space to hoard piles of runes for my alt, so I simply take either the ones I need or the ones that might sell for a decent amount.

That list includes Kuta. If I find any blues, purples or golds; I'll loot them. Everything else I leave for someone else.

Thank you @Nestor and @Pseudonym for helping to make my point that there may be valid reasons for 'cherry picking' runes, or other nodes. Others may not like what you do, but that is their perception. As long as we play within ZOS code of conduct, everything is fair game. We are not playing "1984".

@milesrodneymcneely2_ESO, I don't know the zone progression for you since I'm DC, but Monumental glyphs will drop in only your very last/highest zone. For me, it is the Rift. However, Kude and Kura can be found in all of your last faction for sure, and I think maybe in all vet zones. Tips for advancing enchanting are posted in the forum, and web, but most important is get a trading partner. Trade those glyphs you can't sell.

The point that so few people seem to get is that the problem is not that you only want to take the stuff you need (that's perfectly reasonable). The issue is that, because of the game's mechanics, by leaving the useless crap behind, you are also preventing the node from respawning into something useful. Basically, if everyone on the server did this, and only took the good stuff, eventually every node in existence would only have Tas and worms.

This isn't entirely the fault of the people leaving the garbage, as this could easily be prevented by a change in the game's mechanics as well. For example, if nodes despawned automatically a short time after being viewed by a player, they could respawn fresh.

People aren't asking others to clear a node because they want you to take things you don't want, they are asking them to clear the nodes so they can respawn fresh for others. Due to the (unfortunate) way the game works, taking only what you want becomes essentially "littering" the nodes. And like littering, if just one person does it, it's not horribly detrimental. But if everyone did it, we'd be knee-deep in garbage everywhere.

Leaving only the crap in nodes is understandable, but the game's mechanics cause an issue with that. Knowing this, and doing it anyway, is considered selfish by many people.

I'm sorry, but the issue is entirely about node respawning (or the lack thereof). And no, logging in/out does nothing to crafting nodes. They don't work like containers do.

If someone goes through an area, and picks out everything except Tas, then all those Tas are going to sit there until someone else takes them, or they reboot the server (assuming that even resets them).

Once the nodes that did get picked respawn, if another person comes through and does the same thing, then all the previous Tas are still there, as well as all the new Tas that appeared during in the nodes that did respawn. So as I already explained, if everyone took the attitude of "I'm just going to leave all the Tas" then eventually every rune node will be a Ta.

And yes, some people may want the Tas. That's fine, except I'm sure that even those people don't want to get ONLY Tas every time they farm runes. Basically, the "cherry pickers" are relying on the other farmers that are willing to take their "garbage" to clean up after them. That's where it becomes selfish and rude.

Ourorboros wrote: »

I don't think the issue is about respawning nodes. That's a superficial excuse for trying to get other players to conform to certain expectations. And IMO it's based on a few issues of perception. Worms and certain runes are viewed as garbage, so leaving them in a node is "bad" behavior. Just because some people do not see the value in worms and Ta does not mean they have no value. Granted, Ta has less worth than Kuta, but it is not zero unless you choose it to be.

Great idea, so all we have to do is convince the Cherry-Pickers to choose to give value to the garbage they leave so they won't leave them behind. But wait, wouldn't that just be an attempt to get other players to conform to your expectations? Stating that someone might find value in someone else's garbage is just a superficial attempt to excuse the bad behavior of the Cherry-Pickers.

Ourorboros wrote: »

If you are farming an area and don't clear the node, you deny yourself from the node respawning. The same is true of anyone who is farming an area. Any 'cherry-picker' who farms the same area is not a smart player.

True
However I believe most Cherry-Pickers are smart and don't stay to farm one area. They travel through an area, they see a node, if it's worth taking they keep it, if it isn't they move on. I think one of the reasons they leave garbage is because they won't be around for the respawn.

Ourorboros wrote: »

Is it selfish to 'cherry-pick'? Maybe, but expecting others to conform to your ideal behavior is controlling, and I'll take selfish over controlling every time.

So if someone is out on a killing spree I guess you would consider me selfish for being against that behavior saying that I am only against it because I don't want myself to be murdered.
And worse, I would be accused of trying to conform someone to my idea of ideal behavior.
A bit extreme? Perhaps, but the reasoning remains the same. Though some people may be leaving white runes and worms behind in the mistaken belief they are doing someone else a favor, you seem persistent in defending the actions of people who recognize them as garbage and still leave them behind for others.

Leaving Garbage
1) Most people do NOT want white runes and will probably just end up destroying the ones you leave behind anyway. And even the people taking white runes would prefer green, blue, purple or gold ones which they just might get if you had allowed the node to respawn.
2) Most people do NOT want worms or crawlers and will probably just end up destroying the ones you leave behind anyway. Yes, there are a very few people interested in worms but they are FAR outnumbered by the people harvesting those nodes for the actual item that the node represents. So in leaving the worms you are hoping for the very small chance that they will be harvested by someone who wants them vs. aggravating the much larger number of people who do not.
3) If you loot everything then the odds are good that it will respawn (hopefully with something more desired) before the next person comes along.
4) The ONLY aspect rune you will ever get from deconstructing a dropped Glyph is a white rune so there is already an overabundance of white runes in the market just from dropped Glyphs.

@milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
Do you have a guildmate that is also an Enchanter? If so you might ask if he/she would be willing to make you glyphs for decon if you provide the mats. You will get much better exp for leveling that way. That person will still get exp for making them and you will get much greater exp for deconstructing them than you do for making them.

@Nestor
Green Runes will give 4x the exp of white runes. If possible, I would avoid using white runes even for leveling. For me personally, I have found green runes to be the ideal choice for leveling.

I am now at Vet 1.
I have been woodworking/clothier/smithy and collecting runes from day 1 as I wanted a crafting/fighting character.
My main aim has always been to get armour style motifs.
Do you know how many Ihave found ???
1

That's it ....my nord style + dunmer. Yes I see motifs offerered for 1000 gold.

I have tried the bank reclogging trick and all I get is racial stones...never ever racial motifs.

What does that say about the game as it is ?

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I am now at Vet 1.
I have been woodworking/clothier/smithy and collecting runes from day 1 as I wanted a crafting/fighting character.
My main aim has always been to get armour style motifs.
Do you know how many Ihave found ???
1

That's it ....my nord style + dunmer. Yes I see motifs offerered for 1000 gold.

I have tried the bank reclogging trick and all I get is racial stones...never ever racial motifs.

What does that say about the game as it is ?

It says you are not checking every container to me.

I do a run of a city before logging off every time and I have found enough of the blue racial motifs that I have three characters with all of the racial motifs and I have 2-3 extras of each of them. The price on the blue motifs have dropped you shouldn't be paying more than 150-250 for them.

Or join a guild that has them for free in their guild bank.

I collect every aspect rune....often leave the worms due to no space and there ain't no way I'm making room for a worm. I'd say people don't realize how it works if they were to farm every node then they could come back and possibly find a decent one much sooner if they had a rune route mapped out. However while I want to get my enchanting up I am not gonna run around searching for runes all day I want to level my characters too. So I will be picky about which runes I go for....So Sorry! (Not really).

I use every aspect rune to craft except kutas (which I have saved since the beginning of the game and have 4 characters and only have accumulated 12) and decon everything I create....What I have a problem with is the very very low chance or extracting that aspect rune back after deconning despite having maxed the aspect extraction passives.

Also can glyphs other than normal ones drop?? I HAVE NEVER FOUND A GLYPH THAT WASN'T WHITE!!!

I get excited when I see an aspect rune because just maybe it will be something other than a Ta.

seanolan wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

There are not separate nodes for aspect runes. At least I have never seen that and I farm a lot of runes.

I am not entirely convinced of this. The rune locations in Cyrodiil seem to be more static than the locations in the PVE zones. I will start paying more attention during my travels in Cyrodiil in the coming days.

Anyone with the harvest map add-on can tell you that you are 100% wrong. Any rune node can spawn any of the three types.

You would think so but there is a cave in Cyrodiil that always spawns Aspect runes every time I enter it - and there are at least 3-4 rune nodes in it. I have found several Kuta in there. Could it be pure luck? I suppose; but the chances of that occurring are so slim that it does seem like the rune types are static in that cave.

I will spend some time this week investigating this cave on the PTS in order to rule out cherry picking from other players. Cyrodiil operates under different rules in some regards (like treasure chests scaling to your level and not the zone). So there is a precedent of irregular behavior in this zone.

Now the runes in overland Cyrodiil definitely seem to be random as any of those nodes can spawn any type of rune.

Divinius wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Everyone is paying to play this game, and as long as they maintain official code of conduct they are free to play however they see fit. If some players disapprove of another players legitimate actions, that is their own personal hang-up, even if a huge majority feels that way.

I see. So you are the type of person that, if littering in real life wasn't actually illegal, you'd just be throwing your trash everywhere, because as long as you can't be punished for it, you don't care how your actions affect others.

That's cool, I get it. You are free to do that. I'm also free to consider people like you to be horribly selfish.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

So let me get this straight everyone is gonna farm an area and think tad are worthless and not pick them up so no one will be able to get colored runes and taste will become the new Kuta thus increasing the value of talking runes again making them desired again and people will rush to farm all those aspect runes and get the ta. You fail to see that the cherry pickers don't profit from what they do either and eventually will be forced to take the ta or not get colored runes.

Maybe it's just me, but none of that made any sense whatsoever.

I see from your posts that you are the type of person to assume things. I suppose in real life you might convict someone because circumstances and a prosecutor say it's the right thing, even if neither were actually true. For the record, I find littering appalling, and it has nothing to do with the legality of it. That includes smokers who think the world is their ashtray. BUT.....this has NOTHING to do with a GAME. There is nothing anyone can do to control cherry-pickers in the game. Feel free to whine about it here, but if it was a real issue, surely we would have heard something, anything, about it from ZOS, who remains silent on the topic. If your CHOICE to let cherry-picking gets under your skin so bad, might I suggest you find a game where everyone follows common courtesy-good luck finding one. In the meantime, you should really limit your comments and assumptions about other posters to the game, cuz you don't know CRAP about my real world. you (expletive deleted).

The problem Digiman is that this scenario rarely exists if it comes up at all. When have you gone out harvesting for 2 hours and all you got for those 2 hours were worms?

It does bring up an interesting notion that nodes should randomly(?) periodically(?) refresh as that would be good design practice. However, this cherry picking phenomenon is only alleged and I don't see it having any effect on me to date.

Plus, you get up to 100+ bag space and it's pretty easy to go out harvesting only or adventuring only without any inventory problems.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I am now at Vet 1.
I have been woodworking/clothier/smithy and collecting runes from day 1 as I wanted a crafting/fighting character.
My main aim has always been to get armour style motifs.
Do you know how many Ihave found ???
1

That's it ....my nord style + dunmer. Yes I see motifs offerered for 1000 gold.

I have tried the bank reclogging trick and all I get is racial stones...never ever racial motifs.

What does that say about the game as it is ?

That the God of RNG doesn't like you?

I have all of the non-VR motifs on one of my Alts and the rest of my NA alts average 70% completion of the racial motifs. I've had to sell 2 nord motifs recently because every alt has one. What the RNG God does not favour me with is with a single green dragon-sap recipe.