Comaetilico wrote: »

based on the first report about this change it should be like:

0,15% of max health per piece of heavy armor is returned as Stamina and magika whenever you take damage.

the ability have an internal CD of 4 second with one point and it is decreased to 2 second with the second skill point invested

this translate of 1,05% of max health to magika/stamina every 2 second in full heavy armor... with ana avarage of 3k hp (with many sets having additional HP on them now and the increase to soft cap it should be easy to reach once you apply food bonus) it will turn into 31 magika/stamina every 2 sec....

it will not turn heavy armor into an endless spamming machine... but it will help a bit...'

Your math is about spot on. I can manage over 3k HP in PvP easily, but I still only get about 28 Mag./Stam. per tick, so it might be ignoring buffs**. This is a tremendously meager change, and is STILL shoehorning HA wearers into tanking roles. Why isn't Juggernaut being buffed? Why are they being so conservative now? Why weren't they being THIS precocious before launch, with regard particularly to LA? This buff is just... scatterbrained. Not well planned at all.

The CC break reduction is appreciated (both MA and HA should benefit from it), but it seems they also increased the cost of CC break with this patch, leaving it largely normalized.

Has anyone noticed if LA is still reaching the Armor soft cap?

**Edit: Okay, I suddenly went from 28 at 3.1k HP the night before to 32 last night. I don't even...

Sitting on 3518 health here in PvP, Giving me a bonus of 36 every 2 seconds. After trying this out for a couple hours, light armour is still superior. This change is a step in the right direction for heavy, but it is not enough right now to seriously make people consider using it.

The numbers are really that small? I am still on business trip so I can't access my computer at home to check myself.
But what I read is very disappointing. They should double or triple the numbers at least.

My VR5 Templar has just under 2400 health , with 5 Heavy it works out at 17 Stamina and 17 Magika every 2 seconds so long as i'm being beaten on.

It's pretty decent, since Magicka and Stamina regen are near softcap anyway, this is 22% extra for both and ignores the softcaps. Being 5L would give me 20% less power cost, but it narrows the gap a lot, and of course you get that nice stamina boon too.

Need to alter my skill rotation I think.

Kego wrote: »

Well Heavy Armor has ever been a Tank Armor and will most likely never get a DPS Armor. All Passives just cry out: Use me, if you want to tank.

Which is why they are actually crying out, "Modify me, I need to better balance survivability with DPS! Right now, I suck hardcore at doing either." Tanking is for the Sword and Shield tree, period; LA wearers can tank more effectively than HA wearers when they've an S&S equipped and the tree filled out. I'm flabbergasted as to why the existence and effectiveness of S&S is ignored. The survivability passives in Heavy Armor are neutered by mechanics, which is why I've suggested several times they implement survivability boons that bypass delimiting mechanisms, some not unlike what's on the books now.

I'll draw a situational allegory: Imagine if all the passives in the LA tree were exclusively healing buffs, with one talent that increased spell damage by 7%. You'll cry, "but that is le stupid!", and I'll whole-heartedly agree; anyone sensible and privy to the topic at hand would agree. There aren't any successful design paradigms I've seen that shoehorn plate wearers into tanking roles (or LA into healing for that matter), they always hybridize survivability and DPS competitiveness with an edge toward the former for obvious reasons. The existence of Sword and Shield and Restoration Staff skill lines aren't to ease tanking and healing respectively, they are there to enable it; Heavy Armor is not your tanking tree, S&S is, just as LA is not your healing tree, RS is, wearing HA or LA just better enables those roles with respect to what they do. And mind you, the designers behind successful design paradigms don't have nearly as flexible a philosophy for play style and theorycrafting as these developers claim they do.

Now, perhaps they (LA and HA DPS) should, ideally, be equivocal, because everything from class mechanics to the way PvP is designed favors ranged DPS tremendously over melee. You can't whack at guys shooting at you from keep walls, you don't go near most of the NPCs for fear of hazarding insta-dying or rolling in with your group, don't bother chasing the robed Sorc' at 8% HP if all you have are a pair of daggers or a mallet (fruitless endeavor), etcetera, ad nauseum.

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

It's more a buff to Sword and Shield than it is to Heavy Armor, despite being in the HA tree. It's an essentially useless passive for those of us not running a full-on tanking build in PvP. I'd say I have no idea what these developers are doing, but I can confidently say despite my nonplus, I'd still somehow know more than they do.

Tried it and totally agree with you. If used with shield, with a Templar, keeping Harness Magicka up and spam Puncturing Sweep and Radial Sweep, you can hold a lot of damage. Both in PvP and PvE.

Imperials are even better, due to the much bigger health pool, and more stamina to hold the shield up, receiving a lot of beating before they go down.