Far too many people assume that only a game that does as well as WoW will survive. That's like saying only restaurants that make as much money as McDonald's can make it.

ESO will do just fine for many years to come. Honestly, I think its biggest challenge will come when the next single-player Elder Scrolls gets released(probably 2016-2017).

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I think it is BS, mostly from all the vocal minority negativism on the forums and in the media, most of which is probably paid for by competing companies like NCSoft trying to suck people into their World of Robots Craft *cough* Wildstar launch.

What is this nonsense, negative opinions must be paid for? That's pretty biased.

Honestly, this is the only MMO out right now I feel worthy of my money or my time, and I love the game. I just wish ZOS would be a little less heavy-handed with their content nerfs and changes to cater to the people that refuse to learn to play, but whatever.

I'd say this, Guild Wars 2, and Rift are all worthy entries for me. But I'm done with Guild Wars 2 and consider ESO to be better than both even with it's flaws, which are still not imaginary .

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Tabbycat wrote: »

I think there's three main reasons for all the hate that spews for ESO on various forums. They can be summed up as follows:

1. It's not Skyrim Co-op.

2. It's not F2P or B2P.

3. It's not a pure sandbox game.

I would agree with you when this game released. I do not agree with you now. Alot of the complaints are now game specific and a fair amount of them do indeed bear quite a bit of validity.

Such as? /openscan

Likely the easiest one prove and still be a really major problem would be the imbalance between stamina and magicka builds.

The balance between the two is broken when it comes to light vs medium armor, resto staff, spells generally being stronger and more flexible, survivability, magicka has much more CC and the CC does more damage is more useful and is quicker, and magicka builds can get alot more use out of stamina than stamina builds can get out of magicka.

Well lets get a bit, at least, concrete here.
The first few weeks on European servers Cyrodiil were high pop on more or less all servers primetime, and many big guilds were recruiting.
The last few weeks Curodiil are high pop on 2 Cyrodiil servers only, the rest are dead Emperor farms. And many many guilds are dead, which had several hundred active members earlier.

I do not know how much more real it can get, without Zenimax giving out numbers, something they of course will never do for logical reasons.

The people that are still left are mainly PvEers from the Elder Scrolls games. Most others have either left already, or will be doing so when a better game is released.

Do not get me wrong, ESO is in may ways a very good game, the problem is bugs, exploits and horrible customer service is ruining the fun for A LOT of players. And they are just staying until a better game is available. There are so many severe bugs and exploits on live, it can be considered in beta still...sadly.

Every MMO out there has people screaming - This game is DDDOOMMEEDD !

From WOW through SWTOR to EVE. People screaming game is dead because - insert dumb reason here - .

Steam sale or not, i decided to start an alt Friday and over the weekend on the EU server DC starter zones have been absolutely packed with players. When i switch back to my DK for some PvP i am waiting in a queue to enter my home campaign. Sure only two EU campaigns are ever full these days, used to be 4, but then again back when we had 4 campaigns full i never once had to wait to enter my home campaign, so it could be that many players changed their home campaigns to the top two. Point is, ESO is alive and well right now.

In my opinion ESO does better than most MMOs these days. I have been at many conventions, forums and press conferences of gaming companies and with ZO I have a strong feeling that these guys really want to get something across here.

They don't seem to just cast random people, they do cast people that represent their company well. I believe that Jess & Gina did pretty well at Quakecon - a bit nervous at times, but it was a great laugh and the Devs actually refered to the question giver as a real person with a name and not just a "ya this is so or that - but instead, yes "rabbit" we have this intention and would like to do this".

Also at the forum you get non pre made responses to stuff, its just something I value a lot.

The only thing I am afraid of is that ZO is too friendly in the end. What happened with the dog for instance, I don't know if caving in was a good move there - its like with the child that only wants your whole hand if you give it your finger.

Sometimes a company must make a stand and stop catering to a specific type of player just because their group is very vocal.

This however needs to be seen. I hope that the good ideas which the Devs have like the upcoming justice system, the new solo zone, dyes and spellcrafting will not be ruined because of the current complaints. We play an MMO, a good MMO and this needs to be understood by its players.

If an NPC dies then he will resurrect some other time, if someone dresses in blue then because he wants to and if a mob is tough then the player has to improve and not whine until its killed by a patch.


From the technical aspect ZO has work to do, I can not pressure this enough we need a better multi threading - especially if more players reach 50 and want to pvp. Not sure what options ZO has in that matter, but if WS and WOW can do it I am sure ZO will find a way to improve the threading at ESO as well.

ESO is surviving but I would not consider it in great shape. The game has a ton of potential, it is just not there yet. Once they add most of the features they have on the table it will attract more players.

MMOs loose a massive amount of subs after the initial release. A number I like to use is around 75% of the initial rush cancels there subs because it was not what they were looking for. That is ok because that initial rush paid for the game to be created with their box sells and initial sub.

After those 75% are gone is when the MMO either survives or panics and dooms itself. ZoS unfortuity over reacted a few times already on nerfs which will hurt its potential. Class balancing is a lot better then it was after release though they still need to work on stamina builds. Some tweaks are needed but not to many.

When the Justice System, Champion System, Thieves/Dark Brotherhood guilds are added into the game then it will start to shine.

This game is better than people give it credit for (and will even get better in the future according to that twitch broadcast) but it did have some pretty major issues that caused negative reviews and some influential youtubers to leave.

Hell I left at the end of April because of some glaring issues, or should I say took a break because I really just wanted to wait it out till the issues were fixed.

One of the major issues that some people will never get past is that this game isn't free to play. Yep, a lot of the criticism stems almost solely from that fact, and from there people nitpick small things to make it seem like their criticism is of the game and not it's subscription model. Such is the nature of MMO players these days.