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Warz✭✭✭I did sleep finally and woke up to that so I have to put trash back where it belongs because trash will always be trash to me. There are plenty of good DC and AD who deserve respect and don't whine on here everyday. Should try taking after them.Edited by Warz on 15 July 2014 18:461 -
quakedawg_ESO✭✭✭Again DC you whine just like AD well not DC its mostly bittaken but ill call him kittenbitten because the moment I always catch him alone its like fighting a kitten I just feel bad. Just like the other night right outside of rayles
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Its good you ran a pvp group for 13 years plenty of time to grow that epeen. You are definitely not the only one on here who ever made a gaming community though so no one cares. You take stuff over while EP is at school, or work and literally outnumber us 2-1, if you don't believe me next time ill stream our squad sizes and how many it takes you fools to finish us off.
Now purposely hunting down 10 people yes you accomplished your goal but were clearly too caught up in your glorious AP farm of 10 people which isn't much seeing by your current AP count that proves to be true. Just because you play only during the time our better groups are working, or sleeping, or even at school, cause believe it or not there is a real life out there. As hard as your last 13 years may have led you to believe otherwise.
But from my battles you aren't even considered in zone or anything just an annoyance really its draq and fengrush and their core group that is up top because they know how to fight and farm and actually do something against people while you chase 10 people and lose one of the keeps you were defending on your watch and got wiped 3 times trying to get it back.
How about instead of ranting on here you stay up a night try going up against my LS squad and see how many times we wipe the floor with your face. Because I know from experience you sure as hell cant fight well. Also how I see it you guys running around taking keeps and all scrolls on much more occasions than we have to both EP and AD during times we don't have people on is no different than a night cap. Lack of population to defend anything against full raid squads is still going to be the same result whether it be night or early day. The only difference is we don't cry on forums when we log on later during the day or evening and have to take all our stuff back from what you guys literally got almost for free.
Damn, both guns blazing AND a hand grenade!
Edited by quakedawg_ESO on 15 July 2014 19:56Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭Lol Warz, you are awful cute when you're mad
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bitaken✭✭✭✭✭The best part is all the AD that got "distracted" at faregyl and lulled into a sense of security - then lost brindle - and ghartok. Yes - we are so dumb....
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bitaken✭✭✭✭✭And FWIW Warz - the 11K AP we got for dethroning your emp at Alessia was delicious.
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭There are two types of DC on this campaign:
1. The less numerous AP farmers. These guys almost never siege, or even bother with tactical objectives (except outposts occasionally). Sometimes they will mess with our scroll runs. Most of the time, however, they just go where most AP can be found - like turtling keeps/outposts and bombing noob zergs. They are also on much later than other DC.
2. The blitz day group that sweeps the map and makes our life difficult when we log on. They go for tactical objectives and seriously *** up our progress on the map, paint it blue during the day, and take everyone's ***. They don't, however, gate camp AFAIK and mostly log off by the time EP/AD are en masse, losing all their progress.
You can guess which one leads the leaderboards, and which one I have more respect for."nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much"nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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Warz✭✭✭yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.0
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✭✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
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bitaken✭✭✭✭✭and 4 of you got wiped right outside your gate to me gg
And two failed keep sieges in 20 minutes to us. Thanks for the bonus AP!! Oh yeah - grats on soloing a healer btw - im not exactly built to kill lolz.Edited by bitaken on 15 July 2014 19:49PvP Lead Officer for Einherjar
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✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
With no punishment of death, why do you think Id care about dying?
This is more for @Halrloprillalar --
If Fengrush, Draq, and Overnuke are in a three man team and you're in a giant scroll zerg of say one organized 24 man raid and 20 randoms, no matter how few they kill, they're making more AP than you unless they literally kill no one.
Knowing those three, they can get some kills.
They charge you five times each from a tent and die -- 1) you guys only get AP from the first death due to diminishing returns, 2) if they kill, say 5-6 of the randoms (not even the organized guys) they're ahead in AP gains - by a lot.
Also, if this raid happens to be ANYWHERE near blue territory, you've been slowed down to kill these three and take down their tent. That gives the full blue zerg time to catch you.
The question becomes -- Why SHOULDN'T they suicide zerg your scroll raid?Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Warz✭✭✭But I didn't die to the scroll people while by myself. I ran up to Dragon to go see what was going on there before finally dieing and happened to kill more of that squad. I play solo half the time like now so taking out several of them before they get my 1 ap tick which is as low as like 20's or more from my suicidalness doesn't add up to the 600-800 I'm getting per kill.Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.
lol ? EP does this all night/morning. AD holds you off with redbull and taping eyelids until you finally overwhelm them with numbers.
The AP farming group is good at deterring PuG zergs for which they get massive AP. That is why they do it. I've yet to see them actually take something that is even mildly defended."nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.
lol ? EP does this all night/morning. AD holds you off with redbull and taping eyelids until you finally overwhelm them with numbers.
The AP farming group is good at deterring PuG zergs for which they get massive AP. That is why they do it. I've yet to see them actually take something that is even mildly defended.
Farragut.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
With no punishment of death, why do you think Id care about dying?
This is more for @Halrloprillalar --
If Fengrush, Draq, and Overnuke are in a three man team and you're in a giant scroll zerg of say one organized 24 man raid and 20 randoms, no matter how few they kill, they're making more AP than you unless they literally kill no one.
Knowing those three, they can get some kills.
They charge you five times each from a tent and die -- 1) you guys only get AP from the first death due to diminishing returns, 2) if they kill, say 5-6 of the randoms (not even the organized guys) they're ahead in AP gains - by a lot.
Also, if this raid happens to be ANYWHERE near blue territory, you've been slowed down to kill these three and take down their tent. That gives the full blue zerg time to catch you.
The question becomes -- Why SHOULDN'T they suicide zerg your scroll raid?
I've never heard of kill diminishing returns.
That being said, I'm sure these guys get some AP - that's why they do anything.
The best part is that their tent brings randoms for us to slaughter. And we get a scroll.
Shrug."nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
With no punishment of death, why do you think Id care about dying?
This is more for @Halrloprillalar --
If Fengrush, Draq, and Overnuke are in a three man team and you're in a giant scroll zerg of say one organized 24 man raid and 20 randoms, no matter how few they kill, they're making more AP than you unless they literally kill no one.
Knowing those three, they can get some kills.
They charge you five times each from a tent and die -- 1) you guys only get AP from the first death due to diminishing returns, 2) if they kill, say 5-6 of the randoms (not even the organized guys) they're ahead in AP gains - by a lot.
Also, if this raid happens to be ANYWHERE near blue territory, you've been slowed down to kill these three and take down their tent. That gives the full blue zerg time to catch you.
The question becomes -- Why SHOULDN'T they suicide zerg your scroll raid?
I've never heard of kill diminishing returns.
That being said, I'm sure these guys get some AP - that's why they do anything.
The best part is that their tent brings randoms for us to slaughter. And we get a scroll.
Shrug.
Watch your logs the next time you kill people fresh from a tent. If they died to players, you get bupkiss.
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Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭The best part is all the AD that got "distracted" at faregyl and lulled into a sense of security - then lost brindle - and ghartok. Yes - we are so dumb....
ya jerks.
This would never happen on my watch
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Warz✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.
lol ? EP does this all night/morning. AD holds you off with redbull and taping eyelids until you finally overwhelm them with numbers.
The AP farming group is good at deterring PuG zergs for which they get massive AP. That is why they do it. I've yet to see them actually take something that is even mildly defended.
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.
lol ? EP does this all night/morning. AD holds you off with redbull and taping eyelids until you finally overwhelm them with numbers.
The AP farming group is good at deterring PuG zergs for which they get massive AP. That is why they do it. I've yet to see them actually take something that is even mildly defended.
have you seen the AP scores? AD so called farming involves first of all you always outnumber everyone. By the time you finally wipe someone you literally wiped our squad sizes 3 times over. You think you are ap farming that's cute have you not been to faregyl?
Typo:
FarmegylAgrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
With no punishment of death, why do you think Id care about dying?
This is more for @Halrloprillalar --
If Fengrush, Draq, and Overnuke are in a three man team and you're in a giant scroll zerg of say one organized 24 man raid and 20 randoms, no matter how few they kill, they're making more AP than you unless they literally kill no one.
Knowing those three, they can get some kills.
They charge you five times each from a tent and die -- 1) you guys only get AP from the first death due to diminishing returns, 2) if they kill, say 5-6 of the randoms (not even the organized guys) they're ahead in AP gains - by a lot.
Also, if this raid happens to be ANYWHERE near blue territory, you've been slowed down to kill these three and take down their tent. That gives the full blue zerg time to catch you.
The question becomes -- Why SHOULDN'T they suicide zerg your scroll raid?
Thank you for pointing out all the pros to these actions. Most of the times if AD is running a scroll, the numbers are absolutely insane. (60-100+)
If theyre not, we will try to slow it down and take part in the fight.
The AP system is screwed up as is and yes, we will virtually always make out on the beneficial side of it until they revisit a lot of their basic mechanics for Cyrodill. (AP, emp, so many other things). Part of the reason I cant help but laugh when that other AD tries to insult me for jumping in a red vs. yellow fight by myself and dishing out aoe everywhere while nearly 8 of their 15 people are waiting in sneak just to single target me and then make forum posts how they owned me.
But we still do take place in plenty of relevant events on the map. Only started defending/distracting backline points since Ive got a few more folks in my group. Much success has been had in that regard. When were needed, we can move faster than most any other group. I really dislike the cat and mouse of Cyrodill though. I enjoy multi-fronted strategy, but a lot of people are just ignoring the real fights and blitz siegeing an undefended keep and drawing the fight to them on defense. Kind of like when AD brought that 100+ people to Ash last night and decided to leave once EP showed up because uh oh, theres a fight here, and we do better when odds roll somewhere between 10:1 and 25:1. Given how screwy camps and gaurds are in their current state though, its hard to blame people during prime time. Until then, we will play in such a manner that still brings enjoyment to the PvP spectrum.
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Warz✭✭✭I dont try to take you out with a group feng, I just am slow on my little templar feet and have to chase you while you keep bolting everywhere.Edited by Warz on 15 July 2014 20:090
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✭✭✭✭I dont try to take you out with a group feng, I just am slow on my little templar feet and have to chase you while you keep bolting everywhere.
If you tie a string to me I can fly you around the world.0 -
Warz✭✭✭And kittenbitten I am a healer too just saying... Even if I'm not trying to and I try to be selfish and selfheal it always goes off to some random person which makes me a sad Warz0
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Halrloprillalar wrote: »You should probably not run into a scroll zerg all by yourself so much
Somebody has to gauge numbers for the team.
Turns out they were a bit too big last night.
With no punishment of death, why do you think Id care about dying?
This is more for @Halrloprillalar --
If Fengrush, Draq, and Overnuke are in a three man team and you're in a giant scroll zerg of say one organized 24 man raid and 20 randoms, no matter how few they kill, they're making more AP than you unless they literally kill no one.
Knowing those three, they can get some kills.
They charge you five times each from a tent and die -- 1) you guys only get AP from the first death due to diminishing returns, 2) if they kill, say 5-6 of the randoms (not even the organized guys) they're ahead in AP gains - by a lot.
Also, if this raid happens to be ANYWHERE near blue territory, you've been slowed down to kill these three and take down their tent. That gives the full blue zerg time to catch you.
The question becomes -- Why SHOULDN'T they suicide zerg your scroll raid?
Thank you for pointing out all the pros to these actions. Most of the times if AD is running a scroll, the numbers are absolutely insane. (60-100+)
If theyre not, we will try to slow it down and take part in the fight.
The AP system is screwed up as is and yes, we will virtually always make out on the beneficial side of it until they revisit a lot of their basic mechanics for Cyrodill. (AP, emp, so many other things). Part of the reason I cant help but laugh when that other AD tries to insult me for jumping in a red vs. yellow fight by myself and dishing out aoe everywhere while nearly 8 of their 15 people are waiting in sneak just to single target me and then make forum posts how they owned me.
But we still do take place in plenty of relevant events on the map. Only started defending/distracting backline points since Ive got a few more folks in my group. Much success has been had in that regard. When were needed, we can move faster than most any other group. I really dislike the cat and mouse of Cyrodill though. I enjoy multi-fronted strategy, but a lot of people are just ignoring the real fights and blitz siegeing an undefended keep and drawing the fight to them on defense. Kind of like when AD brought that 100+ people to Ash last night and decided to leave once EP showed up because uh oh, theres a fight here, and we do better when odds roll somewhere between 10:1 and 25:1. Given how screwy camps and gaurds are in their current state though, its hard to blame people during prime time. Until then, we will play in such a manner that still brings enjoyment to the PvP spectrum.
Dont worry though, @ZOS_BrianWheeler is addressing the issue of oils being used on the ground instead of poured from above. Im sure this other stuff can wait.
Streaking through two enemy blobs going at each other, even if dead after doing it, can easily be an EXTREMELY profitable event.
Two 24 man raids clash, Red on Yellow. Fengrush (or any other sorc) streaks through most of them, then dies. Yellow beats red, but suffers 12 losses in the process. If Fengrush "tagged" 75% of the guys who died, and if he streaked them a few times each to do some real damage (and maybe crystal fragged a few lowbies or low hp dudes to get actual kills), guess how much more AP he gets than the 24 man raids do?
A metric buttload. All he has to do is lay there dead laughing at you, while you think you're hot stuff by teabagging him.
And the 900 points he was worth is spread out between 24 people (unless he popped out of a tent, then you got nothing).
I really wish people knew how AP gains worked better. There's a REASON we defend objectives. It's not only better for the Alliance, it's a better way of earning points.
EDIT: And oil pots are fine.
Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on 15 July 2014 20:17Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Barnabas✭✭Warz you are killed so often we have guys asking that you have a loot table added to you and your group...1 -
Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭Halrloprillalar wrote: »yes because its so hard to take a keep playing PvE. I respect the ones who can take and hold keeps when outnumbered. That AP farming group also holds off AD and EP with less numbers usually until they go to bed themselves.
lol ? EP does this all night/morning. AD holds you off with redbull and taping eyelids until you finally overwhelm them with numbers.
The AP farming group is good at deterring PuG zergs for which they get massive AP. That is why they do it. I've yet to see them actually take something that is even mildly defended.
have you seen the AP scores? AD so called farming involves first of all you always outnumber everyone. By the time you finally wipe someone you literally wiped our squad sizes 3 times over. You think you are ap farming that's cute have you not been to faregyl?
Yea I've seen you turtle faregyl and farm PuGs for hours. I can't control the whole faction, so enjoy your AP.
We do this to EP at kc/farra/brk etc. with just one raid group. Often the tents bring in randoms which disrupt our operations and we have to relocate. There is no sense in killing few with many = not profitable.
The PVE I was talking about is much later at night (>3am) when most of AD has gone to bed (usually) and EP oceanic is PvDooring to a red map.
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