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BOTS: What is the official policy?
JungleBoot
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I can not compete with the number of bots running resource laps within Deshaan. Now that they can't just farm Jute all day long in Stonefalls, they simply stagger their bots and send them on a standard pre-defined resource collection path. The result is pretty much the same. The majority of resources are being collected by bots and not by players creating a deficit of materials and supporting a market where real cash is used to purchase "virtual" goods. So, what is the official policy?
If the official policy is to ignore and do nothing, here is what I want.
01. I want a speed boost and infinite stamina.
02. I do not want to be confined to the spaces above the terrain. I want to be able to travel beneath the terrain so I can ignore any and all obstacles and maybe beat a bot to resources
03. I want to be "authorized" to run "legitimate" bot software for the purpose of collecting resources since collecting resources is not playing the game but a time sink.
If I can't have that, hire your kids to sit in each zone and kick bots all day. Or I don't know, hire more employees with the job description to ban any and all accounts engaged in bot activity.
Yes, I'm pissed about something that will most likely never change. Why? Because the die-hard MMO gamers think professions and farming is a requirement for a game to be called an MMO. In case you are not paying attention, the current trend is to create persistent worlds for many players to interact with and form groups to complete common goals. That does not mean it is an MMO. They are expanding the concept of co-op play. I will applaud the first company that is brave enough to tell the MMO community to stuff it and do away with pointless activities like farming and grinding. It's not required.
If the official policy is to ignore and do nothing, here is what I want.
01. I want a speed boost and infinite stamina.
02. I do not want to be confined to the spaces above the terrain. I want to be able to travel beneath the terrain so I can ignore any and all obstacles and maybe beat a bot to resources
03. I want to be "authorized" to run "legitimate" bot software for the purpose of collecting resources since collecting resources is not playing the game but a time sink.
If I can't have that, hire your kids to sit in each zone and kick bots all day. Or I don't know, hire more employees with the job description to ban any and all accounts engaged in bot activity.
Yes, I'm pissed about something that will most likely never change. Why? Because the die-hard MMO gamers think professions and farming is a requirement for a game to be called an MMO. In case you are not paying attention, the current trend is to create persistent worlds for many players to interact with and form groups to complete common goals. That does not mean it is an MMO. They are expanding the concept of co-op play. I will applaud the first company that is brave enough to tell the MMO community to stuff it and do away with pointless activities like farming and grinding. It's not required.
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Xilc✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »
If the official policy is to ignore and do nothing, here is what I want.
01. I want a speed boost and infinite stamina.
02. I do not want to be confined to the spaces above the terrain. I want to be able to travel beneath the terrain so I can ignore any and all obstacles and maybe beat a bot to resources
03. I want to be "authorized" to run "legitimate" bot software for the purpose of collecting resources since collecting resources is not playing the game but a time sink.
They never indicated anywhere at all that "their policy" is to ignore botters and do nothing. In fact, they even pushed out a support article not even a week ago stating that they apologized and are doing everything they can to combat botters and the illegal work they do. It's truly unfortunate that this has happened, but criticizing them while they work hard to help us (yes, it's not all about you) is quite unfair given the circumstances.
In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
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AldroriusSoul ShrivenFrom the know issues thread:
Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.4 -
Xilc✭✭✭From the know issues thread:
Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.
Thank you for citing this, I couldn't find it after I've seen it myself previously.
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Khandi✭✭✭A lot of us are upset about all the bots in ESO....some enough to call it a day.One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.
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AldroriusSoul Shriven
Thank you for citing this, I couldn't find it after I've seen it myself previously.
They really need to change the forum layout, it make a lot of people miss important information passed by Zos devs.
As for the bots, i am playing at a middle level area right now, so i dont suffer that much for their presence, but i understand why some people get frustated. But Zos need time to get over the bots without making real players upset by design choices.0 -
Dita✭✭✭Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.
TL:DR One old demented circus monkey, smashing a keyboard and eventually will come up with solution to bot problem."Begun the Bot Wars has"2 -
JungleBoot✭✭✭In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
This is the typical response individuals provide to non-programmers. Why? Because, I can't compete with it. It's true. But, it lacks any real thought. It's a cop out. It is also a deflection tactic. Let's place the responsibility on the individual speaking out to remove it from those who do have the skill set to do something.
You did see where I stated hire more employees for the sole purpose of banning active bots? You did see that, right? Are you going to ignore it? Because that requires no programming skills whatsoever to accomplish. A little side-by-side training and any high school kid can do it.Edited by JungleBoot on 20 May 2014 17:03Platform: PS4
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Xilc✭✭✭Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.
TL:DR One old demented circus monkey, smashing a keyboard and eventually will come up with solution to bot problem.
There's also this wonderful invention everyone can use if they can't stand a "horrible" game.... I think they call it outside? Not sure these days
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✭✭✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
This is the typical response individuals provide to non-programmers. Why? Because, I can't compete with it. It's true. But, it lacks any real thought. It's a cop out. It is also a deflection tactic. Let's place the responsibility on the individual speaking out to remove it from those who do have the skill set to do something.
You did see where I stated hire more employees for the sole purpose of banning active bots? You did see that, right? Are you going to ignore it? Because that requires no programming skills whatsoever to accomplish? A little side-by-side training and any high school kid can do it.
It doesn't lack real thought; it simply exposes the massive flaws in your argument. You admit to having no idea how these systems work, yet you seem to think your opinion should carry some weight.
And throwing money at the problem has never worked. Breaking a bot takes a long time, and there is absolutely no point in banning until the bots are broken, because they'll come right back. And you would think that after over a decade of this, players would have learned that the community bears the responsibility for this behavior, not the developers.----
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Never occurred to you.Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.
TL:DR One old demented circus monkey, smashing a keyboard and eventually will come up with solution to bot problem.
There's also this wonderful invention everyone can use if they can't stand a "horrible" game.... I think they call it outside? Not sure these days
*Edited: Inflammatory*Edited by ZOS_LenaicR on 20 May 2014 18:17"Begun the Bot Wars has"1 -
JungleBoot✭✭✭From the know issues thread:
Botters - We are continuing to improve our process and security behind-the-scenes for combating botters in-game. This is an ongoing work in progress that we are fully dedicated to. Please keep in mind that we cannot go into detail on the various actions we’re taking to combat botting, as doing so could put our game and security at risk.
If you cant farm some materials becouse of bots, than work on another craft until you find a place safe of bots to farm what you want.
I like your response. I do. But, it does lack a little thought too. Their statement is to give you a sense that they are doing something. Ok. They are working on it. What are they doing in the meantime to combat it? While they are engaged in search of a software solution what else are they doing? Are they utilizing interns to ban bots or hiring others for an actual job of monitoring in-game activity? You do see that is something that can be done today and implemented within the week?
Your final comment assumes I don't already use tactics to at least acquire some resources. If you are not collecting anything or seeing anything along your path, chances are you are following another player or a bot too close. The best thing to do is reverse your route or start ping-ponging between resources. This is the same thing you would do if it was just other players and only other players collecting within the rules. It's not. It's about bots operating outside the confines of the rules (speed hacks, z-axis hacks, teleporting --- maybe this is just a communications error due to the hack and it's not really teleporting).Edited by JungleBoot on 20 May 2014 17:20Platform: PS4
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Xilc✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »JungleBoot wrote: »
Breaking a bot takes a long time, and there is absolutely no point in banning until the bots are broken, because they'll come right back.In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
To be perfectly honest, they have to pay for the game to play, and purchase a sub in order to play, so if they come back and keep getting banned, they're just throwing money at the devs
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JungleBoot✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »JungleBoot wrote: »
Breaking a bot takes a long time, and there is absolutely no point in banning until the bots are broken, because they'll come right back.In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
To be perfectly honest, they have to pay for the game to play, and purchase a sub in order to play, so if they come back and keep getting banned, they're just throwing money at the devs
I'm glad you caught yourself on that. But, how much money do you think they would have to spend per hour to have someone be actively banning bots in Stonefalls? I'll even stipulate that the job only requires normal hours. At least it's something. But, how much? How technical is the job?Platform: PS4
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tanthil✭✭✭The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
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JungleBoot✭✭✭The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
Free advertising has never hurt a company. And there may actually be gold selling sites that purchase a game license and hire an individual to do nothing but collect resources all day long. If that is the case, they are abiding by the rules. And such a company, can hire 20 such individuals if they are that profitable. A banner ad on a website is not proof of Zenimax participation.Platform: PS4
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Getorix✭✭✭I Bought Wildstar when I made an alt and saw the flying and underground bots and couldn't get any resources at all.
This bot problem is a total disaster, you can go almost anywhere in the game and find bots and zennimax is doing nothing or they cant because they made some really bad decisions client side or maybe they fired everyone.3 -
Getorix✭✭✭The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
If that's true that's beyond disturbing and this game is officially dead.
But if it was true you would have probably at least hinted at a name.Edited by Getorix on 20 May 2014 17:240 -
tanthil✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
Free advertising has never hurt a company. And there may actually be gold selling sites that purchase a game license and hire an individual to do nothing but collect resources all day long. If that is the case, they are abiding by the rules. And such a company, can hire 20 such individuals if they are that profitable. A banner ad on a website is not proof of Zenimax participation.
Excuse me its not free advertising, its paid advertising placed on sites that are home to the people that bot/exploit and hack your game0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
Free advertising has never hurt a company. And there may actually be gold selling sites that purchase a game license and hire an individual to do nothing but collect resources all day long. If that is the case, they are abiding by the rules. And such a company, can hire 20 such individuals if they are that profitable. A banner ad on a website is not proof of Zenimax participation.
Excuse me its not free advertising, its paid advertising placed on sites that are home to the people that bot/exploit and hack your game
If you're seeing ads there, it's because Google ads puts a random banner ad on sites that they deem to be "related" to a product or to your Google account. That's why I see banner ads for ESO on half the sites I visit, regardless of whether Zenimax is paying for the banner ad to go on that site.
Please do some research before you make inflammatory statements. The only cure for ignorance is education.----
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tanthil✭✭✭The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
If that's true that's beyond disturbing and this game is officially dead.
But if it was true you would have probably at least hinted at a name.
name has something to do with a core that is being owned.
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JungleBoot✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »JungleBoot wrote: »The official policy is to put paid advertisements for this game on the top botting site(the one you actually get these bot programs from). I cant put in a link to show you but its not hard to find
A paying cutomer is a paying customer
Free advertising has never hurt a company. And there may actually be gold selling sites that purchase a game license and hire an individual to do nothing but collect resources all day long. If that is the case, they are abiding by the rules. And such a company, can hire 20 such individuals if they are that profitable. A banner ad on a website is not proof of Zenimax participation.
Excuse me its not free advertising, its paid advertising placed on sites that are home to the people that bot/exploit and hack your game
If you're seeing ads there, it's because Google ads puts a random banner ad on sites that they deem to be "related" to a product or to your Google account. That's why I see banner ads for ESO on half the sites I visit, regardless of whether Zenimax is paying for the banner ad to go on that site.
Please do some research before you make inflammatory statements. The only cure for ignorance is education.
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✭✭✭✭✭Jim_McMasterub17_ESO wrote: »I'll tell you what they aren't doing..
Banning accounts.
They've already had banwaves, and they will have more. It won't stop gold-sellers from stealing accounts or credit cards. Feel free to complain to the FBI.----
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tanthil✭✭✭I hope all the botters on that site that see the ad and want to come ruin ESO, do some research on how google ads works before they come.
no wait.
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✭✭✭✭✭I hope all the botters on that site that see the ad and want to come ruin ESO, do some research on how google ads works before they come.
no wait.
How stupid does that sound?
It sounds pretty darn stupid, because you still apparently don't understand how Google ads work.
If Google tracks me visiting the ESO site a lot, then every site with Google banner ads will tend to show ESO ads. If I visit Blizzard sites a lot, it will show D3, etc. Have you ever noticed that your favorite sites tend to show ads for your other favorite stuff?----
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JungleBoot✭✭✭Every user on the internet gets profiled whether it tracks back to you via mac address or a cookie on your machine. Contrary to popular belief -- there is very little privacy in regards to the internet. Otherwise, targeted ads would not be possible.
But, you two are really derailing the thread.Edited by JungleBoot on 20 May 2014 17:41Platform: PS4
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The problem is non-programmers don't understand the issues, we don't even understand it enough to give advice like "hire more programmers". Oh we give advice, but we have no way of giving good advice, because we have no real understanding.JungleBoot wrote: »In fact, you're more than welcome to help them if you're so mad at their "lack of effort to do anything". Go learn how to program an MMO from the ground up and combat botters, and tell me just how easy it is to do something about it.
This is the typical response individuals provide to non-programmers. Why? Because, I can't compete with it. It's true. But, it lacks any real thought. It's a cop out. It is also a deflection tactic. Let's place the responsibility on the individual speaking out to remove it from those who do have the skill set to do something.
Which is why those who do know say "Learn to Programme", not because we will create a solution, but because we will learn what they are talking about.
People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
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tanthil✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »I hope all the botters on that site that see the ad and want to come ruin ESO, do some research on how google ads works before they come.
no wait.
How stupid does that sound?
It sounds pretty darn stupid, because you still apparently don't understand how Google ads work.
If Google tracks me visiting the ESO site a lot, then every site with Google banner ads will tend to show ESO ads. If I visit Blizzard sites a lot, it will show D3, etc. Have you ever noticed that your favorite sites tend to show ads for your other favorite stuff?
Is that how it works? is that why any other section of the site i go to i get ads for some kind of online fax machine, and when i step in to a eso section i get eso ads?
Is that because i split my time an eso site and a fax machine site?
also just tried on a computer that has never played eso/been on their forums. same thing
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JungleBoot✭✭✭BASIC
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40 PRINT "HELLO WORLD."
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I have no clue what I just did. Would you be so kind as to explain it to me?
Oh yeah, that isn't complex enough.
maybe I should pull out my assembly language text book. But, that is a bit archaic. hmmmmmEdited by JungleBoot on 20 May 2014 17:44Platform: PS4
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