Remove sneak for all classes but nightblades

TheGrandAlliance

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Or, better yet, for those of us who do not enjoy 500 versus 1 fights, with us being the 1.

A pro player can easily kill 5+ enemies during a 500-1 fight. Stealth is just like bolt escape in that regard: a lazy way to avoid having to learn proper tactics and getting better.

Yea... tell that to a sub-Vet char vs VR10

TheGrandAlliance

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'll be on my horse, see one person by himself and he will see me and just go into sneak... rather than just buff up and come fight me. I literally can't even be bothered to go into sneak and player a waiting game every time so I just leave him and ride off.

I caught 2 players last night running up behind me and instead of just keep running for me, they both go into sneak... cmon it's already 2v1 and you go into sneak?

They do this for the damage bonus.

NakedSnake

Samadhi wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

erm...by debuffing every other class you are effectively buffing NB.

I'd consider it a nerf to my playstyle if it happened.
I like to spend time PKing with my girlfriend; she plays a Templar.
If her sneak got nerfed it would destroy our ability to work together. )=

Aww that's so romantic.

lao wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

having stealth on every class is kinda breaking the game already. tho ur right, it could be fixed without removing stealth for every class.

step 1: give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that, effectively making sneak for NB faster than walking but not faster than sprinting.
ppl can still run away from a NB then but it will cost them stamina, just like sneaking costs stamina for the NB.

step 2: reduce movement speed in sneak on other classes massively (atleast by 50% of the current base movement speed)

step 3: NB should be able to auto detect any non-NB in a lets say 10m radius. other classes should have to get atleast in a 3m radius to detect each other. other classes should not be able to detect NB at all unless they hit them with an aoe or stand directly on them for atleast 3 secs.

step 4: other classes should drain stamina 2-3 times faster than NB while in sneak regardless of armor.

step 5: NB should be able to enter stealth 2-3 times faster than other classes.

this will give NB a significant edge while sneaking without taking it away from other classes. u can still hide and sit still with every class to ambush a group etc. u just cant rly move alot in sneak anymore and a NB will see you long before u even have a chance of seeing him. this will also give NB´s a real role in AvA cos u can actually use them as scouts properly.

@ step 1: With CW and DS passive you already run equal if not slightly faster than sprinting speed. This suggestion would practically double movement speed making us faster than a horse. This will never happen.
I was thinking more along the lines of Improved Sneak passive giving 1% (first level) to sneak speed for each piece.

@ step 2: No just no, slowing down pvp even more is not the answer.

@ step 3: I was thinking something similar.
Master assassin passive could gives a 3% increase to your detection area per piece, which in conjunction with improved sneak would give NB ownership in the sneaking department. Also NB should be undetectable when directly behind and enemy at 1m.

@ step 4: Sneaking on other classes is fine the way it is. This thread should be renamed "Zeni please buff Nightblade sneaking"
Take the stamina portion of Unholy Knowledge from sorc and give it to NB Athletics. Srsly ZO why does Sorc need this?

@ step 5: Not being able to move around while sneaking is another game breaker. This is not WoW.
Dark Veil could simply increase stealth speed by 8% per point in the passive. This combined with Dark cloak negating threat. would allow NB to go into sneak instantly, finally giving us a true escape maneuver.

Yes, show NB's some love but they don't need to be pvp gods.
I also had an idea to increase group synergy in pvp by allowing group members to also detect anyone detected by the partied NB. NB's could start acting as scouts, shadowing zergs for the group. The NB would need to get close enough to detect individual members of the zerg while not getting detected themselves. This would become a new art form that only skilled players could achieve since it would require maintaining close proximity (within 10m) of an active stealth zerg.

Desdemonte

lao wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

having stealth on every class is kinda breaking the game already. tho ur right, it could be fixed without removing stealth for every class.

step 1: give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that, effectively making sneak for NB faster than walking but not faster than sprinting.
ppl can still run away from a NB then but it will cost them stamina, just like sneaking costs stamina for the NB.

step 2: reduce movement speed in sneak on other classes massively (atleast by 50% of the current base movement speed)

step 3: NB should be able to auto detect any non-NB in a lets say 10m radius. other classes should have to get atleast in a 3m radius to detect each other. other classes should not be able to detect NB at all unless they hit them with an aoe or stand directly on them for atleast 3 secs.

step 4: other classes should drain stamina 2-3 times faster than NB while in sneak regardless of armor.

step 5: NB should be able to enter stealth 2-3 times faster than other classes.

this will give NB a significant edge while sneaking without taking it away from other classes. u can still hide and sit still with every class to ambush a group etc. u just cant rly move alot in sneak anymore and a NB will see you long before u even have a chance of seeing him. this will also give NB´s a real role in AvA cos u can actually use them as scouts properly.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a Winner!

Desdemonte

Avidus wrote: »

Please guys remember, classes mean next to nothing when it comes to play style!!
Nightblades need nothing! They are fine as it is.

By trying to enhance them you would be taking away from those who do not want to be a NB and would like to be a sneaking character.

Did you actually just say "Nightblades need nothing! They are fine as it is."?!?

LOL you must not play a NB, because they are *** BROKEN!

lao

NakedSnake wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

erm...by debuffing every other class you are effectively buffing NB.

I'd consider it a nerf to my playstyle if it happened.
I like to spend time PKing with my girlfriend; she plays a Templar.
If her sneak got nerfed it would destroy our ability to work together. )=

Aww that's so romantic.

lao wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

having stealth on every class is kinda breaking the game already. tho ur right, it could be fixed without removing stealth for every class.

step 1: give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that, effectively making sneak for NB faster than walking but not faster than sprinting.
ppl can still run away from a NB then but it will cost them stamina, just like sneaking costs stamina for the NB.

step 2: reduce movement speed in sneak on other classes massively (atleast by 50% of the current base movement speed)

step 3: NB should be able to auto detect any non-NB in a lets say 10m radius. other classes should have to get atleast in a 3m radius to detect each other. other classes should not be able to detect NB at all unless they hit them with an aoe or stand directly on them for atleast 3 secs.

step 4: other classes should drain stamina 2-3 times faster than NB while in sneak regardless of armor.

step 5: NB should be able to enter stealth 2-3 times faster than other classes.

this will give NB a significant edge while sneaking without taking it away from other classes. u can still hide and sit still with every class to ambush a group etc. u just cant rly move alot in sneak anymore and a NB will see you long before u even have a chance of seeing him. this will also give NB´s a real role in AvA cos u can actually use them as scouts properly.

@ step 1: With CW and DS passive you already run equal if not slightly faster than sprinting speed. This suggestion would practically double movement speed making us faster than a horse. This will never happen.
I was thinking more along the lines of Improved Sneak passive giving 1% (first level) to sneak speed for each piece.

@ step 2: No just no, slowing down pvp even more is not the answer.

@ step 3: I was thinking something similar.
Master assassin passive could gives a 3% increase to your detection area per piece, which in conjunction with improved sneak would give NB ownership in the sneaking department. Also NB should be undetectable when directly behind and enemy at 1m.

@ step 4: Sneaking on other classes is fine the way it is. This thread should be renamed "Zeni please buff Nightblade sneaking"
Take the stamina portion of Unholy Knowledge from sorc and give it to NB Athletics. Srsly ZO why does Sorc need this?

@ step 5: Not being able to move around while sneaking is another game breaker. This is not WoW.
Dark Veil could simply increase stealth speed by 8% per point in the passive. This combined with Dark cloak negating threat. would allow NB to go into sneak instantly, finally giving us a true escape maneuver.

Yes, show NB's some love but they don't need to be pvp gods.
I also had an idea to increase group synergy in pvp by allowing group members to also detect anyone detected by the partied NB. NB's could start acting as scouts, shadowing zergs for the group. The NB would need to get close enough to detect individual members of the zerg while not getting detected themselves. This would become a new art form that only skilled players could achieve since it would require maintaining close proximity (within 10m) of an active stealth zerg.

1) reread what i said. DS brings u at around walking speed. there is no way u can get to sprint speed and u shouldnt be able to. what i said would bring u somewhere in between which is fine.

2) no it wouldnt. other classes arent meant to run in sneak all the time. they are meant to run in groups so it wouldnt slow down pvp at all.

3) i was more thinking of flat out undetecteble instead of some RNG crap but yea.

4) no it is not fine that everyone can sneak for same duration as NB just cos they wear medium armor. normally group chars shouldnt have sneak at all. this is already a compromise so the forum kids dont cry.

5) do never ever ever compare anything to that horrible abomination of a game called WoW when im around. that game is total *** and does not in the slightest deserve to be named as a reference in ANY way. it does absolutely everything horribly wrong in the most horrible way u could possibly imagine. its a total disaster of a game.
if u change shadowy disguise in the way u suggest its a 100% escape tool which would make it very OP as the NB could disengage at any time during a fight. that beeing said i wasnt referring to the combat timer that stops u from going into sneak after a fight. what i meant was the time it actually takes to go into sneak. like the same thing DS does during night. just that it applies at any time of the day and should be a class feature instead of a passive from vamp line. infact the entire passive should be a class feature.

Teevesnacks

First you need to realise this is not world of warcraft, stealth is not an exclusive to the rogue type of class. Sneaking is a legitimate tactic in war, just because you have heavy armour doesn't mean you can't hide in the "shadows" so to speak.

Further to this I am grateful that in siege pvp, my group can setup ambushes on zergs instead of being limited to a face to face combat where if they were a larger group they could dictate the end result just by knowing they have a larger force

Tannakaobi

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that all classes being able to sneak permanently is just pathetic?

Yes, indeed it is. The sneak function is paramount to not only ESO but TES in general. To remove it would be offensive.

I caught 2 players last night running up behind me and instead of just keep running for me, they both go into sneak... cmon it's already 2v1 and you go into sneak?

It's kill or be killed, not some honorary contest!

Pathetic, remove this sneak crap and save it for classes deserving of it, like nightblades.

You use the word pathetic twice. The only thing pathetic is this thread.

NakedSnake

@lao

@1: I don't need to reread anything, you were very clear..
"give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that"
So your saying that NB should be able to move at normal speed while stealthed and you want this to stack with DS. If you actually new what you were talking about, you would see that these are both the same thing and if they were to stack it would effectively double the normal movement speed for NB. Add concealed weapons to this as well as the shadow dancer set which you now have stacking with itself and NB's would become the flash, literally.

@2: I beg to differ since stealth for all classes is a specific design feature of this particular game and its based on previous ES releases to maintain authenticity.
Once they start to implement pickpocketing and theft you will realize it is WAI.

@3: Again, not WoW.

@4: herm...This is not your game. If you don't like it go play something else. What happened to play the way you want? Nightblades can tank and heal effectively. Why can other classes stealth effectively? Ikr, logic!

@5: Exactly, SC would be equal (more or less, probably less ) to BE if modified the way I described in conjunction with the reduced stealth activation time I infact did purpose for dark veil passive. Stacking this with DS would also allow NB vamps to instantly stealth at night.

skeletorz_ESO

Sneak should stay like it is, but I do think that Nightblade should get a passive that improves sneak somehow. As it is, the only thing that makes sneak better is a passive in medium armor, and the racial bonuses.

Nightblades should get a sneak passive. While you're at it, fix all the other nightblade skills.

lao

NakedSnake wrote: »

@lao

@1: I don't need to reread anything, you were very clear..
"give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that"
So your saying that NB should be able to move at normal speed while stealthed and you want this to stack with DS. If you actually new what you were talking about, you would see that these are both the same thing and if they were to stack it would effectively double the normal movement speed for NB. Add concealed weapons to this as well as the shadow dancer set which you now have stacking with itself and NB's would become the flash, literally.

@2: I beg to differ since stealth for all classes is a specific design feature of this particular game and its based on previous ES releases to maintain authenticity.
Once they start to implement pickpocketing and theft you will realize it is WAI.

@3: Again, not WoW.

@4: herm...This is not your game. If you don't like it go play something else. What happened to play the way you want? Nightblades can tank and heal effectively. Why can other classes stealth effectively? Ikr, logic!

@5: Exactly, SC would be equal (more or less, probably less ) to BE if modified the way I described in conjunction with the reduced stealth activation time I infact did purpose for dark veil passive. Stacking this with DS would also allow NB vamps to instantly stealth at night.

1) i said comparable to the vampire passive. i also said that the stacked value should put u somewhere between run and sprint speed. dno how much clearer i can make it rly. maybe i should draw a picture?

2) i couldnt care less if its specific game design or based on some crappy single player ES game no1 who is serious about gaming gives a *** about. its horrible design and needs to be changed. period. it doesnt matter the slightest bit how it was in previous ES games. its an mmo now and all that matters in an mmo is gameplay in pvp and in that aspect its horrible. if u cant see why 100 ppl zergs beeing able to hide and move around in stealth is awful then im afraid no amount of logic or reason can help you.

3) again, dont mention that horrible crap game. use a game that is worthy of beeing taken as a reference atleast. not the worst game in history of mankind.

4) see 2)

5) no it would not be equal. u can catch a BE sorc if u know how to. making SD clear all agro and grant u instant stealth is a 100% escape tool that cant be countered. u could literally just stealth whenever *** hits the fan and get away 100% of the time unless ur some zombie who runs head first into an aoe.

NakedSnake

lao wrote: »

1) i said comparable to the vampire passive. i also said that the stacked value should put u somewhere between run and sprint speed. dno how much clearer i can make it rly. maybe i should draw a picture?

2) i couldnt care less if its specific game design or based on some crappy single player ES game no1 who is serious about gaming gives a *** about. its horrible design and needs to be changed. period. it doesnt matter the slightest bit how it was in previous ES games. its an mmo now and all that matters in an mmo is gameplay in pvp and in that aspect its horrible. if u cant see why 100 ppl zergs beeing able to hide and move around in stealth is awful then im afraid no amount of logic or reason can help you.

3) again, dont mention that horrible crap game. use a game that is worthy of beeing taken as a reference atleast. not the worst game in history of mankind.

4) see 2)

5) no it would not be equal. u can catch a BE sorc if u know how to. making SD clear all agro and grant u instant stealth is a 100% escape tool that cant be countered. u could literally just stealth whenever *** hits the fan and get away 100% of the time unless ur some zombie who runs head first into an aoe.

The more you post the less you make sense, just stop. Please do yourself a favor and look up the meaning of the word comparable.
So you want ZO to change vampire as well as removing all classes stealth ability to fit your limited view of what NB and by extension this game should be, get real.
Yes, yes we all know you don't care about anything other than your own ignorant view. That is wholely apparent every time you make a post. Well maybe you should care about why you are here then? If this is such a horribly designed game based on a crappy genre then feel free to go play Wildstar, Im sure it will suit you better.
As for WoW being the worst game in the history of mankind, it has been proven that this in fact is not only false but quite the exact opposite. Once again you completely disregard the rest of the worlds opinion in place of your own just like your doing now. The majority of this thread all agree to disagree with you and the OP.
See 2? what? You still don't care? gotcha
Im really starting to think your just trolling for kicks now, as anyone who actually knows NB will tell you that AOEs, Root/cc will take you out of SC, not to mention mage light. However unlike BE you cant SC your way out of it once your trapped, and you think that would be more overpowered than BE? Get real

Harakh

I am a nightblade and i think the best solution is, that you cannot reg stamina in stealth even if you stop walking.

Make medium armor 5/5 wearing the opportunity to reg stamina in stealth per piece of medium armor.

So everyone can obtain it and all light or heavy armor player can only sneak for a short duration or drinks potions.

fyendiarb16_ESO

@ThoseAgainstSneak

Trust me when I tell you that no sane person (as far as sane persons exist, I know I ain't one) wants to hear what I have to say every time I get ganked on my way back to a siege... yet I still love the fact that all classes can sneak.

Sneak adds nice strategy to Cyrodiil, especially when you are the underdog and surprise attacks are vital.

Sure I get killed often on my way back to a fight, kicked off my horse and dead before I can say ^%$#, but the thrill alone makes it worth it and the added potential for strategy is just icing on the cake.

rotiferuk

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ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that all classes being able to sneak permanently is just pathetic? Cyrodiil is just full of people who go onto a bridge and sneak crouch for 2 hours until someone comes along and ganks them.

I've never seen an mmo that allows people to perm sneak, let alone every class in the game. Cyrodiil pvp would be much more engaging if sneaking was just removed all together and reserved only for nightblades... given the fact that they are "assassin" type characters.

It's gotten to the point where I'll be on my horse, see one person by himself and he will see me and just go into sneak... rather than just buff up and come fight me. I literally can't even be bothered to go into sneak and player a waiting game every time so I just leave him and ride off.

I caught 2 players last night running up behind me and instead of just keep running for me, they both go into sneak... cmon it's already 2v1 and you go into sneak?

Pathetic, remove this sneak crap and save it for classes deserving of it, like nightblades.

I'm a DK so I'm not being biased towards nightblades if that is what you think.

1) In ES games ALL types of character are able to sneak. This is an ES game, so sneaking should not be limited to just one style of play.

2) MMO's with permanent sneak? PvP in Neverwinter. The Trickster Rogue class is able to maintain perma-stealth in the PvP arenas.

3) You play the way you want to play and let others play the way they want to play. I don't like those little fairy wings you can sprout from your back. However, I don't start a thread whining about them.

4) I sneak about all the time with my Templar. I just love surprising people with my magic shiny spear...especially DK's and their flappy, leathery, fairy wings.

R0M2K

NakedSnake wrote: »

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
.

This would be a good start to make my NB happy.

rotiferuk

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Or, better yet, for those of us who do not enjoy 500 versus 1 fights, with us being the 1.

A pro player can easily kill 5+ enemies during a 500-1 fight.

That would be very clever of them. The game servers are only capable of showing 200 people on screen at a time.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

Stealth is just like bolt escape in that regard:

I deploy "sneak escape" all the time with my Templar. It's just as good as bolt escape......................except for the getting killed bit.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

a lazy way to avoid having to learn proper tactics and getting better.

IMHO sneaking up on an an enemy / siege weapon / camp and destroying it while there is still an active enemy presence takes more skill (not to mention daring) than running around waving a big sword and popping dragons blood / spiked armour every 20 seconds.

Eylith

I believe NB isn't as strong as the other classes but I don't think this is the best way to correct this.

Prokonto

lest make one thing clear...
sneak-> all
stealth-> NB only! (+some short timed & colldowned effect from alchemy)

sneak= out of combat only
stealth= ooc & combat alike, suspend aggro when up but not drop

edit:
sneak- skilled hiding from sight & hear using terrain & obstracless, u crouching for do that
stealth- using shadow magic to enter permament shade when even in middle of empty square at noon of sunny day u will be imperceptible for anyone around

lao

NakedSnake wrote: »

lao wrote: »

1) i said comparable to the vampire passive. i also said that the stacked value should put u somewhere between run and sprint speed. dno how much clearer i can make it rly. maybe i should draw a picture?

2) i couldnt care less if its specific game design or based on some crappy single player ES game no1 who is serious about gaming gives a *** about. its horrible design and needs to be changed. period. it doesnt matter the slightest bit how it was in previous ES games. its an mmo now and all that matters in an mmo is gameplay in pvp and in that aspect its horrible. if u cant see why 100 ppl zergs beeing able to hide and move around in stealth is awful then im afraid no amount of logic or reason can help you.

3) again, dont mention that horrible crap game. use a game that is worthy of beeing taken as a reference atleast. not the worst game in history of mankind.

4) see 2)

5) no it would not be equal. u can catch a BE sorc if u know how to. making SD clear all agro and grant u instant stealth is a 100% escape tool that cant be countered. u could literally just stealth whenever *** hits the fan and get away 100% of the time unless ur some zombie who runs head first into an aoe.

The more you post the less you make sense, just stop. Please do yourself a favor and look up the meaning of the word comparable.
So you want ZO to change vampire as well as removing all classes stealth ability to fit your limited view of what NB and by extension this game should be, get real.
Yes, yes we all know you don't care about anything other than your own ignorant view. That is wholely apparent every time you make a post. Well maybe you should care about why you are here then? If this is such a horribly designed game based on a crappy genre then feel free to go play Wildstar, Im sure it will suit you better.
As for WoW being the worst game in the history of mankind, it has been proven that this in fact is not only false but quite the exact opposite. Once again you completely disregard the rest of the worlds opinion in place of your own just like your doing now. The majority of this thread all agree to disagree with you and the OP.
See 2? what? You still don't care? gotcha
Im really starting to think your just trolling for kicks now, as anyone who actually knows NB will tell you that AOEs, Root/cc will take you out of SC, not to mention mage light. However unlike BE you cant SC your way out of it once your trapped, and you think that would be more overpowered than BE? Get real

ok u still fail to read and ur a WoW fanboy. not gonna waste more time on a lesser. good bye

kewl

The mechanic is fine. Give NB a slight boost when crouched as @NakedSnake‌ suggested.

Kewljag_66_ESO

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that all classes being able to sneak permanently is just pathetic? Cyrodiil is just full of people who go onto a bridge and sneak crouch for 2 hours until someone comes along and ganks them.

I've never seen an mmo that allows people to perm sneak, let alone every class in the game. Cyrodiil pvp would be much more engaging if sneaking was just removed all together and reserved only for nightblades... given the fact that they are "assassin" type characters.

It's gotten to the point where I'll be on my horse, see one person by himself and he will see me and just go into sneak... rather than just buff up and come fight me. I literally can't even be bothered to go into sneak and player a waiting game every time so I just leave him and ride off.

I caught 2 players last night running up behind me and instead of just keep running for me, they both go into sneak... cmon it's already 2v1 and you go into sneak?

Pathetic, remove this sneak crap and save it for classes deserving of it, like nightblades.

I'm a DK so I'm not being biased towards nightblades if that is what you think.

People go into sneak because they want to land / open with a sneak attack on you. Its tactical play.

Also how is 2 people in sneak at a bridge waiting to gank and different from 2 people not in sneak waiting to gank? Sneak allows you to choose your fights and most of time it allows you to not get ran over by groups and zergs. Sneak allows for more 1v1s and fair fights.

Also if people are sneaking and completely avoiding you its because you are a DK and considered by many to be OPd currently, especially 1v1, also it could be because you are higher rank / level than them.

Now sneak is ment for more of not letting the enemy know you are even there, BUT if you see soemone go into sneak you have a very good chance of finding them. If you go into sneak yourself in the same spot the little EyE icon opens when you get close to them, this helps you to find them. Also you can use a potion that increases your vision to find hidden players. there is also a Mage Light skill you can use.

sagitter

The stealth system is fine how it is, maybe nb should have some more bonus in stealth like detection etc. Removing stealth for other classes will result in much more zerg and death for occasional solo pvp. I disagree.

Cody

NBs need to have better sneaking, that's for sure. But everyone should be able to too an extent. Maybe NBs have better sneak criticals? or just be harder to see in stealth than others? heck, maybe even let NBs go thru keep doors and attack the enemy defenders form the inside.

ishilb14_ESO

go back to guild wars 2, this is an elder scrolls game and sneaking is a basic element of that.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

No stealthing at all in the game.
camoflash if standing still = All views.
Stealth/Hitten/Vanish = Clip range of 50 meters, or 5 if behind enemy.

Bitz_Maidenhell

ishilpatelb14_ESO wrote: »

go back to guild wars 2, this is an elder scrolls game and sneaking is a basic element of that.

what he said