Remove sneak for all classes but nightblades

ImaginaryDimension

Is it just me who thinks that all classes being able to sneak permanently is just pathetic? Cyrodiil is just full of people who go onto a bridge and sneak crouch for 2 hours until someone comes along and ganks them.

I've never seen an mmo that allows people to perm sneak, let alone every class in the game. Cyrodiil pvp would be much more engaging if sneaking was just removed all together and reserved only for nightblades... given the fact that they are "assassin" type characters.

It's gotten to the point where I'll be on my horse, see one person by himself and he will see me and just go into sneak... rather than just buff up and come fight me. I literally can't even be bothered to go into sneak and player a waiting game every time so I just leave him and ride off.

I caught 2 players last night running up behind me and instead of just keep running for me, they both go into sneak... cmon it's already 2v1 and you go into sneak?

Pathetic, remove this sneak crap and save it for classes deserving of it, like nightblades.

I'm a DK so I'm not being biased towards nightblades if that is what you think.

Lee

I completely disagree, with sneaking no where is safe and that is how it should be.

Can

I agree with you but maybe sneak can be fixxed with some nerfs. Like if you sneak behind a tree or a hill, maybe stand a corner of something which can decrease your seight, sneak can be use more skillfully or what if they larger the range of see another people while they are in sneak. For example we can see other sneak people when they are 5 meter close, make it 50 or 150 meter it is sneak not invisiblity. Finally I totaly agree that nightblades should have some more advantages that other classes dont have while in sneak mode

joshisanonymous

I like the way sneak is implemented. It makes solo and small group play much more viable for everyone.

Anyway, it's pretty easy to uncover people who are sneaking, most can't sneak for very long at all and risk being low on stamina before a fight even begins, and it's pretty hard to get back into sneak once uncovered.

Talketzanto

Invis is NB only real identity.....just sucks that anyone can do it for the most part...I mean our ability is only for like 2.5 seconds so is it really worth it? allow everyone to stealth but make NBs alot faster and not lose any stamina...while everyone else can stealth but you can't go more then say 10 seconds without being drained


PS its sad when a DK can sneak up on a NB.....just sad

Gwarok

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

Remove stealth for all classes but nightblades

Stealth.

I seriously hope you are meaning as collect 3 skyshards and spend a point in a "stealth" tactical combat move and not sneaking as in tapping <Ctrl> and crouching. I would kind of understand the point of your arguement....nooo WAIT!!!

No I wouldn't.

The Thieves Guild is coming soon to a patch near you.

Thanks for playing and have a nice day.

NakedSnake

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

Talketzanto

NakedSnake wrote: »

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

yea I mean that would be better....not saying over the top OP stuff, just make us a bit faster and it would be nice

NakedSnake

Nothing over the top. Just a slight tweak to the speed of movement and stealth activation as well as the Shadow cloak agro break, which would actually be a fix for the NB exploit.

Samadhi

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

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I'm a DK so I'm not being biased towards nightblades if that is what you think.

I'm a Nightblade, and I like the system as it exists currently.

ImaginaryDimension

Rather than turning this into a "buff the nb skills" I want to make it clear that this is about sneak, not stealth!

The nb stealth is fine, but every class being able to sneak permanently is just silly. At least make it so you can only sneak for 30 seconds and then you have a 30 second cooldown or something

NakedSnake

erm...by debuffing every other class you are effectively buffing NB.

ImaginaryDimension

NakedSnake wrote: »

erm...by debuffing every other class you are effectively buffing NB.

yeha but the point is it's the sneak I want nerfed, not nb's buffed.

Samadhi

NakedSnake wrote: »

erm...by debuffing every other class you are effectively buffing NB.

I'd consider it a nerf to my playstyle if it happened.
I like to spend time PKing with my girlfriend; she plays a Templar.
If her sneak got nerfed it would destroy our ability to work together. )=

Blackwolfe5

How about NO. If I want to play a stealthy DK, I'll play a stealthy DK. Incase you missed it, sneak IS stealth, stealth IS sneak.

dcorsiukb14_ESO

Uhhhh no.

Censorious

Another WoW rogue wannabe.

lao

NakedSnake wrote: »

Disagree, although NB definitely needs an injection in the stealth department this would be going too far. There are simpler solutions to this problem.

-Faster (much faster) stealth for NB
-Shadow cloak aggro removal (vanish)
-faster stealth movement speed
-better buffs while stealthed
all of these are option to be considered before breaking the game for everyone.

having stealth on every class is kinda breaking the game already. tho ur right, it could be fixed without removing stealth for every class.

step 1: give NB (much) increased movement speed while in sneak. comparable with the vampire passive maybe. also make vampire passive stack on top of that, effectively making sneak for NB faster than walking but not faster than sprinting.
ppl can still run away from a NB then but it will cost them stamina, just like sneaking costs stamina for the NB.

step 2: reduce movement speed in sneak on other classes massively (atleast by 50% of the current base movement speed)

step 3: NB should be able to auto detect any non-NB in a lets say 10m radius. other classes should have to get atleast in a 3m radius to detect each other. other classes should not be able to detect NB at all unless they hit them with an aoe or stand directly on them for atleast 3 secs.

step 4: other classes should drain stamina 2-3 times faster than NB while in sneak regardless of armor.

step 5: NB should be able to enter stealth 2-3 times faster than other classes.

this will give NB a significant edge while sneaking without taking it away from other classes. u can still hide and sit still with every class to ambush a group etc. u just cant rly move alot in sneak anymore and a NB will see you long before u even have a chance of seeing him. this will also give NB´s a real role in AvA cos u can actually use them as scouts properly.

Gisgo

NBs need a stealth detection buff, because our stealth is fine (when it does work).
Actually, its medium armor that needs this kind of trait, not NBs.

Adernath

Haha what a funny suggestion to remove stealth for other classes. Then lets be consequent and remove the mana from the NB?

Delte

I play as a Nightblade and as many other classes and I like it the way it is at present.

Also it means I can play as a mage and wear medium armour and sneak around fairly easy or as any other class.

Why try and set an open skill system to represent the ones in WoW?

It is the one reason I like ESO and you now want to change it.

Samadhi

Gisgo wrote: »

NBs need a stealth detection buff, because our stealth is fine (when it does work).
Actually, its medium armor that needs this kind of trait, not NBs.

I'm hoping the equivalent of older Elder Scrolls games, the Detect Life spell, is added with the spellmaking system.

Detection potions are already roughly the alchemy equivalent (and can be very powerful when crafted with multiple effects such as detection + weapon crit or detection + spell damage + magicka recovery), now we just need the actual spell.

Maybe even some new jewelry enchantments that increase detection range or increase stealth capability.

Jarnhand

Removing sneak from other classes is a bad idea, but NBs should have a much better version, need to be better passive skills that give better sneak to NBs.

Avidus

Please guys remember, classes mean next to nothing when it comes to play style!!
Nightblades need nothing! They are fine as it is.

By trying to enhance them you would be taking away from those who do not want to be a NB and would like to be a sneaking character.

beravinprb19_ESO

Sneaking is 100% needed for those of who do not enjoy 500 versus 500 fights. Or, better yet, for those of us who do not enjoy 500 versus 1 fights, with us being the 1. Small groups and lone players need something to protect them from the mobs of angry peasants.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Or, better yet, for those of us who do not enjoy 500 versus 1 fights, with us being the 1.

A pro player can easily kill 5+ enemies during a 500-1 fight. Stealth is just like bolt escape in that regard: a lazy way to avoid having to learn proper tactics and getting better.

beravinprb19_ESO

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Or, better yet, for those of us who do not enjoy 500 versus 1 fights, with us being the 1.

A pro player can easily kill 5+ enemies during a 500-1 fight. Stealth is just like bolt escape in that regard: a lazy way to avoid having to learn proper tactics and getting better.

What if the 500 are also pro players? Hmm? Stealth is the strategy and proper tactics of this game. Taking it away would be like taking away blocking. Its a needed mechanic that players can use to prevent them from getting blown up in difficult situations.

thelg

With all the dumb ideas people come up with on this forum this one takes the cake

Prokonto

Leave sneak as it is now for everynone but rylly... NB should be stealth master among all. Maby rebuild our "stealth" ability (shadow cloack) abit, for example: cast cost x magicka then it spend x stamina per sec of working till attack/detect/off, till stealthed aggro is suspended. Its just first at row idea get to my head, maby someone got better. NB just need proper stealt tool exclusive only for this class but rest should be able to sneak as is now, maby with little movement nefr like u more detectable when u on move compared to stand still.
Best regards all

Nox_Aeterna

Well , i see more than enough people already said how stupid this sounds.

So i will just add a simple , no OP , that is a bad idea.

TheGrandAlliance

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Anyway, it's pretty easy to uncover people who are sneaking, most can't sneak for very long at all and risk being low on stamina before a fight even begins, and it's pretty hard to get back into sneak once uncovered.

Thats not true. Proper use of sneak u can basically perma sneak anywhere.


The key is to wait a few seconds. Don't just run straight at a target from a distance. Move... wait a bit for stamina recharge... then move again. Since it only works out of combat it is most effective.