Regarding DK pull-chain Scroll/Keep capping.

TheGrandAlliance

Alomar wrote: »

Score totals achieved by capping an entire map during off-peak hours isn't anything to brag about. Which is why we had no problem leaving Auriel's Bow, where AD did the same.

Wrong: That is just /elitewhine from players/guilds such as yourself not skilled enough to hold all day and night long. PvP isn't only for Prime Time...

Lord_Draevan

Alomar wrote: »

Score totals achieved by capping an entire map during off-peak hours isn't anything to brag about. Which is why we had no problem leaving Auriel's Bow, where AD did the same.

There's a major difference between capping everything in off hours when the AD on Auriel's outnumbers EP and DC 7-8 to 1 than on Wabbajack where it's mostly evenly numbered in off hours.

reggielee

its human nature to try and find a way around obstacles, alot use cheats and exploits cuz they are lazy arses... most of these exploits could have been addressed if more pvp play time had been allowed during beta and the list of exploits known at the time had been addressed prior to release. they have shot themselves in their own foot

Alomar

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Score totals achieved by capping an entire map during off-peak hours isn't anything to brag about. Which is why we had no problem leaving Auriel's Bow, where AD did the same.

Wrong: That is just /elitewhine from players/guilds such as yourself not skilled enough to hold all day and night long. PvP isn't only for Prime Time...

Except we were on AB to the point EP and DC populations left our campaign for others, you've got the situation backwards mate.

@‌ Draevan Since you don't seem to remember a few weeks ago on AB or never pvp'ed there I'll help you with your mis-spoken claims. The only reason there is this "7-8 to 1" ratio of AD to EP/DC came from an evenly populated off-peak hour AB campaign. This campaign (AB) became dominated by more organized and skilled AD players within the guild Synapse(allies also such as The Elite). This led to morning EP/DC populations giving up and the ratio was therefore created.

Lord_Draevan

Alomar wrote: »

Except we were on AB to the point EP and DC populations left our campaign for others, you've got the situation backwards mate.

Gatecamping most of the day while outnumbering EP and DC 8-1 isn't anything to brag about.

Alomar

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Except we were on AB to the point EP and DC populations left our campaign for others, you've got the situation backwards mate.

Gatecamping most of the day while outnumbering EP and DC 8-1 isn't anything to brag about.

Where did I say that it was? Oh right I didn't, in fact I begged people not to spawn camp and rarely participated in it myself. But oh wait, how did this spawn camping begin?

Oh right, after large numbers of EP/DC populations left the AB campaign, or didn't log on during off-peak hours, which I already stated in a post you seemed to have not read through.

You can't argue with people who don't know the facts and that's twice now you've gotten them wrong (AB spawn camping/DC&EP population leaving/total score & last night's Wabba scroll fighting). So good luck out there mate enjoy your point totals and we'll enjoy the pvp that comes from competiveness.

galiumb16_ESO

As a NB if you try and teleport strike onto someone on a wall you get an error message about being too high.

They should just copy that code to the DK pull. Problem solved.

Once a scroll is in its alter at a fort, I do not think you should be able to pick it back up again. If we need this functionality, maybe it should be reserved to someone in the guild that has claimed that fort? Maybe make it so you cant pick up the scroll at all unless a wall/door is down on both outer and inner sections.

I generally agree that anyone abusing this mechanic is pretty pathetic, but keep in mind there are ways to do this without using an account on the enemy realm. We have successfully stole the scroll from the inside by having been pulled up by an enemy DK and killing that DK, but also by our DK getting bubbled by a templar, allowing him to use the reflect to pull himself up to his target, killing them and getting the scroll. In both these cases we were almost through the inner door anyways, but wanted to point out other ways this can be done besides cheating.

Lord_Draevan

Alomar wrote: »

Where did I say that it was? Oh right I didn't, in fact I begged people not to spawn camp and rarely participated in it myself. But oh wait, how did this spawn camping begin?

Oh right, after large numbers of EP/DC populations left the AB campaign, or didn't log on during off-peak hours, which I already stated in a post you seemed to have not read through.

You can't argue with people who don't know the facts and that's twice now you've gotten them wrong (AB spawn camping/DC&EP population leaving/total score & last night's Wabba scroll fighting). So good luck out there mate enjoy your point totals and we'll enjoy the pvp that comes from competiveness.

You edited your post at 8:53. I had already responded at 8:50. I didn't "not read it", you changed it after I'd already responded to it, adding in the info I "didn't read". Nice try.

And where did I say I cared about point totals? I didn't. You said we were losing on Wabbajack. I pointed out we were in the lead.

I also never said EP and DC left because of spawn camping, nor did I deny the AD placed a forward camp behind the Gate of Chim last night.

Wow, and I'm the one "getting facts wrong"? You're the one making up *** I never said, putting words in my mouth and changing your posts after I respond to them to make me look like an idiot.

Talcyndl

My understanding is that you can't drop forward camps behind enemy scroll gates - whether open or closed. Is this not correct?

Did AD find some secret place where this mechanic is not working as intended?

Did an AD player honestly sit behind a locked gate for 2 hours?

Lord_Draevan

dbetterton_ESO wrote: »

My understanding is that you can't drop forward camps behind enemy scroll gates - whether open or closed. Is this not correct?

Did AD find some secret place where this mechanic is not working as intended?

Did an AD player honestly sit behind a locked gate for 2 hours?

There about 15 AD who took the Scroll... I highly they had the patience to wait for 2 hours before going to the Temple.
As to the forward camps, I don't know, I've never tried to place one behind an enemy Gate.

FireCowCommando

@Alomar I know you think the EP are running away from your guild, but if you sum the current objectives under control by each alliance across all servers you get:

NA servers
DC: 1974
AD: 1744
EP: 402
*only as current as esohead shows at the time of my post

DC wins total objective total held, followed by AD. EP doesn't have enough players across all servers. These numbers tell a different story than "EP isn't as skilled or coordinated as us". Harder to do sneaky tactics of taking keeps if your group is the only one in the server attacking one, you're always the front line the enemy sends the main force against.

I strongly hope they catch anyone who is exploiting DK chain pull and lock their account permanently. Its annoying enough to be the underdog/low pop side, way more frustrating when combined with occasional exploiters across servers.

TheGrandAlliance

@FireCowCommando‌

INterestering statistic... but try to post one that removes resources. Resources are preeety much useless.

Reason I say this is because... a faction (such as EP) can just hold 1. arrius 2. farra 3. kings and have enemy scrolls on them and be way head in points even though they loose everything else. Using objectives as a guide only does not mean anything in terms of "who is winning".

Talcyndl

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

dbetterton_ESO wrote: »

My understanding is that you can't drop forward camps behind enemy scroll gates - whether open or closed. Is this not correct?

Did AD find some secret place where this mechanic is not working as intended?

Did an AD player honestly sit behind a locked gate for 2 hours?

There about 15 AD who took the Scroll... I highly they had the patience to wait for 2 hours before going to the Temple.
As to the forward camps, I don't know, I've never tried to place one behind an enemy Gate.

Well it would only require one player to sit there (undetected) if they used forward camp(s).

Hoodster92_ESO

To add to the whole they waited behind the gate thing. They ended up touching Scroll of Chim 3 times last night. The first time it was a legitimate grab having both Kings and Arius, them dying outside the gate. This led to possibly a large group of them hiding inside the gate and waiting to grab the scroll.... maybe .... no one knows.

However the part that leads to exploit is the fact the same guy (Buddah) who ninjad the scroll while the gate was closed the first time, somehow got back behind the northern gate again, to grab the scroll the third time. This guy was shown to have carried the scroll down to the resources at kings, and die by Fixates group.

So question is how in the world did the same guy get back behind the northern gate then if he was outside the gate and died? Either by DK chain pulling or finding an a spot behind the gate that is not working as intended to spawn a forward camp most likely. Both of these are exploits however way you look at them.

As for EP's status on Wabbajack being competitive or not. I would say that fighting a multiple front war, against multiple organized AD and DC guilds, and being able to hold Emperorship and both our scrolls for several hours last night classifies as competitive. Oh... and all 3 factions were locked meaning that EP was by all means outnumbered last night having to defend against both DC and AD in EP territory. Sooooo ya...... I think EP is doing alright competitively, have fun on 1 bar EP and DC population on AB.

FireCowCommando

@TheGrandAlliance‌

My post wasn't to show whos "winning" just to show whos leading in objectives held. There's a lot of posts bashing EP for leaving servers, were losing nearly every single server. We really just don't have enough guys on our side ^^'

Adjusted with out resources (they are only worth 1 point each btw...)
DC: 1750
AD: 1493
EP: 335

And as far as the holding enemy scrolls with keeps next to your gate, only two servers is this even an issue for this point count, EP on scourge and DC on dawn bringer. (both help the AD point total)

So adjusted, EP is going to be even worse than the numbers currently shown, and AD and DC are roughly equal.

I don't think its a question anymore who is the underdog faction, the ebonheart resistance against the occupation has begun.

TheGrandAlliance

IDK... I am domiating with 50K+ lead on everyone on EU Dawnbreaker. Last time I checked EU Auriow's Bow is far head too. NA may be losing EP wise... but it can happen.


You should reference point totals on all 3 factions... that would be a better indicator.

Igolbug

I kind of hope they continue to do these shady tactics.

If it was actually a good group I might be worried but the guys that do this are basically free AP for me.

RedTalon

Till there is a way to flag players has traitors and make them killable by everyone for a time, the tactic will continue to be used.

Well they could find a way to tweak the chain for the pvp area. But that would make it hard to pull people off walls, has well. But they need to fix this issue somehow.