AH Island
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Lunamaru✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Auction House is the best way. Have locations in all the major cities all connected to the same market, like the banks and guildbanks are the same wherever you go. Make them searchable with advanced search for level, item type, etc.. Make us stick to one guild, give us the option to display our guild names. Give us guild heraldry to distinguish ourselves. Give us housing and guild halls ala LotRo or EQ2. Stop trying to be "innovative" and different, and just go with what has worked for eons of time in the mmo world. Stop being stupid Zenimax!
I agree. These features are superior to the innovations attempted by this game. So Zenimax would be wise to stop tinkering with a failed system and just use what is known to work at this point.
They had their shot to impress us with their Guild Store system. They blew it. Time for an auction house.
I strongly disagree
I loath these guild stores. They suck. More hassle than they are worth. And I despise having to hop across guilds on some quest to find a store with a decent and reasonably priced selection.
I honestly have no idea how anyone could be satisfied with them.
hence why i said earlier in the post they need a full search function for our 5 guild stores and this island to have a specified trading area on top of our guilds.
I dislike trade spam even more than guild stores. So if I am reading your OP correctly, I'm not too keen on your idea to have an island where everyone is suppose to gather and spam wts/wtb commercials. I would avoid that place as if it had the plague.
We do agree that a more efficient search function is desperately needed though.
then dont go there? this will be a separate zone all together it should decrease trade spam throughout the other zones so I would think you would be even more on board with it?
I wouldn't. That was my point and why I don't like the idea. ^^ The fact it would cut back on commercials in the zone chat would be an improvement though. But it would not be an adequate solution to this game's economy IMHO.Edited by Jeremy on 2 June 2014 15:270 -
Lunamaru✭✭Auction House is the best way. Have locations in all the major cities all connected to the same market, like the banks and guildbanks are the same wherever you go. Make them searchable with advanced search for level, item type, etc.. Make us stick to one guild, give us the option to display our guild names. Give us guild heraldry to distinguish ourselves. Give us housing and guild halls ala LotRo or EQ2. Stop trying to be "innovative" and different, and just go with what has worked for eons of time in the mmo world. Stop being stupid Zenimax!
I agree. These features are superior to the innovations attempted by this game. So Zenimax would be wise to stop tinkering with a failed system and just use what is known to work at this point.
They had their shot to impress us with their Guild Store system. They blew it. Time for an auction house.
I strongly disagree
I loath these guild stores. They suck. More hassle than they are worth. And I despise having to hop across guilds on some quest to find a store with a decent and reasonably priced selection.
I honestly have no idea how anyone could be satisfied with them.
hence why i said earlier in the post they need a full search function for our 5 guild stores and this island to have a specified trading area on top of our guilds.
I dislike trade spam even more than guild stores. So if I am reading your OP correctly, I'm not too keen on your idea to have an island where everyone is suppose to gather and spam wts/wtb commercials. I would avoid that place as if it had the plague.
We do agree that a more efficient search function is desperately needed though.
then dont go there? this will be a separate zone all together it should decrease trade spam throughout the other zones so I would think you would be even more on board with it?
I wouldn't. That was my point and why I don't like the idea ^^
Even if you dont use the chat millions of others will so your point is flawed1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.Edited by Jeremy on 2 June 2014 15:270 -
Lunamaru✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't.
You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put up for sale and then repost it for 5k. All that would happen is you would go broke and then end up having to sell all those honing stones you bought for a reasonable price people would pay.Edited by Jeremy on 2 June 2014 15:320 -
Lunamaru✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?1 -
Asawasa✭✭✭Auction House is the best way. Have locations in all the major cities all connected to the same market, like the banks and guildbanks are the same wherever you go. Make them searchable with advanced search for level, item type, etc.. Make us stick to one guild, give us the option to display our guild names. Give us guild heraldry to distinguish ourselves. Give us housing and guild halls ala LotRo or EQ2. Stop trying to be "innovative" and different, and just go with what has worked for eons of time in the mmo world. Stop being stupid Zenimax!
I agree. These features are superior to the innovations attempted by this game. So Zenimax would be wise to stop tinkering with a failed system and just use what is known to work at this point.
They had their shot to impress us with their Guild Store system. They blew it. Time for an auction house.
I strongly disagree
I loath these guild stores. They suck. More hassle than they are worth. And I despise having to hop across guilds on some quest to find a store with a decent and reasonably priced selection.
I honestly have no idea how anyone could be satisfied with them.
hence why i said earlier in the post they need a full search function for our 5 guild stores and this island to have a specified trading area on top of our guilds.
I dislike trade spam even more than guild stores. So if I am reading your OP correctly, I'm not too keen on your idea to have an island where everyone is suppose to gather and spam wts/wtb commercials. I would avoid that place as if it had the plague.
We do agree that a more efficient search function is desperately needed though.
Batman Store Filter by trtt on ESOUI.com solves all your guild store search problems
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Lunamaru✭✭Auction House is the best way. Have locations in all the major cities all connected to the same market, like the banks and guildbanks are the same wherever you go. Make them searchable with advanced search for level, item type, etc.. Make us stick to one guild, give us the option to display our guild names. Give us guild heraldry to distinguish ourselves. Give us housing and guild halls ala LotRo or EQ2. Stop trying to be "innovative" and different, and just go with what has worked for eons of time in the mmo world. Stop being stupid Zenimax!
I agree. These features are superior to the innovations attempted by this game. So Zenimax would be wise to stop tinkering with a failed system and just use what is known to work at this point.
They had their shot to impress us with their Guild Store system. They blew it. Time for an auction house.
I strongly disagree
I loath these guild stores. They suck. More hassle than they are worth. And I despise having to hop across guilds on some quest to find a store with a decent and reasonably priced selection.
I honestly have no idea how anyone could be satisfied with them.
hence why i said earlier in the post they need a full search function for our 5 guild stores and this island to have a specified trading area on top of our guilds.
I dislike trade spam even more than guild stores. So if I am reading your OP correctly, I'm not too keen on your idea to have an island where everyone is suppose to gather and spam wts/wtb commercials. I would avoid that place as if it had the plague.
We do agree that a more efficient search function is desperately needed though.
Batman Store Filter by trtt on ESOUI.com solves all your guild store search problems
while there is addons for the search function they are no replacement for a full search function, these addons are a crutch at best a band aid if you will. Plus you need to scan the stores which takes time the built in should just auto search for the specified item.0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've gone through http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page rather thoroughly now, but don't find any mention of an Auction House Island anywhere... Is it possibly in some of the non-canon writings by Kirkbride?
QUICK everybody go through your post if you have made a comment in this thread and wrap the words auction, house, island in quotation marks so we stay 'lore-itically' correct.
I guess it was too difficult to imagine a more lore-friendly way of having an in-game Auction House than to slap a completely new and lore-breaking island onto the map, huh?0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.Edited by Jeremy on 2 June 2014 16:440 -
alphawolph✭✭✭
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
Edited by Jeremy on 2 June 2014 17:170 -
Gwarok✭✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
We can and DO already:
Think of each "company" in the pic above as one of our "stores", even though there are more "companies"/"stores" in the chart we are allowed to dip into compared to the 5 we are limited to in-game it's pretty self explanatory. Pump up one, dump on another then rinse and repeat the supply and demand while keeping prices competitive.Edited by Gwarok on 2 June 2014 17:58"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
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Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man.
O, be some other name!
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By any other name would smell as sweet.
Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
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Lunamaru✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
I have been with guilds of people in WoW and other MMO's where the whole purpose is to buy out ALL stocks on certain items and spike the hell out of the price...what you fail to understand is you think your rich with your 36k that you worked REAL hard to get when there are others who have millions of gold all earned ligit we go in buy everything sell it back at inflated prices rinse and repeat we now own the market.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on 4 June 2014 01:590 -
RylukShouja✭✭✭RylukShouja wrote: »I like this idea. But I think that AH island should have no zone chat...it would be nice to see /say and possibly chat bubbles. It would cut down on the massive amounts of wtb/WTS spam and give it more of an open air market feel, like a bazaar irl. You could wander through, see what people have to sell, and maybe people would even start gravitating to certain areas to sell certain types of items, making it easier to search for things.
you do know you can just turn off zone chat....
I ignore zone chat 90% of the time. I mean if we have a separate instance for trading, the zone chat there would be totally full. /say has a more limited range, and you could more easily sift through the information.0 -
Lunamaru✭✭RylukShouja wrote: »RylukShouja wrote: »I like this idea. But I think that AH island should have no zone chat...it would be nice to see /say and possibly chat bubbles. It would cut down on the massive amounts of wtb/WTS spam and give it more of an open air market feel, like a bazaar irl. You could wander through, see what people have to sell, and maybe people would even start gravitating to certain areas to sell certain types of items, making it easier to search for things.
you do know you can just turn off zone chat....
I ignore zone chat 90% of the time. I mean if we have a separate instance for trading, the zone chat there would be totally full. /say has a more limited range, and you could more easily sift through the information.
while I agree I personally would try to utilize every chat in that zone to buy sell and trade goods as well as using the 5 guild stores.1 -
sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭I don't see how an idea like this is lore-breaking. In all of the ES games I've played over the years, including this one, almost all of the big cities are set up with a specific merchanting district. This idea is essentially that; a specific district for players and guilds to set up shop and peddle their wares.
I personally utilize the guild store to sell some things, and monitor the WTB/WTT posts in whatever zone I'm in to sell other things. I've rarely ever posted a WTS in zone chat, and when I have, it's been one post, and that's all. I like the personal trading aspect of meeting people in person to buy/sell/trade, and currently using zone chat is the only way to accomplish that.
I agree that going to the player designated trading district to see only WTS/WTT/WTB posts in chat would be super annoying. This is why I proposed a designatdesignated channel for use in this area for those types of messages, and a separate general chat. This way, if you wanted to walk around and look at things, you wouldn't have to be spammed by merchant chatter. Furthermore, the island or district or zone or whatever could further broken down, so that heavy armor and weapons are on one street, enchants on another, light/med armor on another, etc.
In Oblivion and Skyrim, only certain merchants sold certain types of items. This idea is definitely within that type of system.Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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Lunamaru✭✭sylviermoone wrote: »I don't see how an idea like this is lore-breaking. In all of the ES games I've played over the years, including this one, almost all of the big cities are set up with a specific merchanting district. This idea is essentially that; a specific district for players and guilds to set up shop and peddle their wares.
I personally utilize the guild store to sell some things, and monitor the WTB/WTT posts in whatever zone I'm in to sell other things. I've rarely ever posted a WTS in zone chat, and when I have, it's been one post, and that's all. I like the personal trading aspect of meeting people in person to buy/sell/trade, and currently using zone chat is the only way to accomplish that.
I agree that going to the player designated trading district to see only WTS/WTT/WTB posts in chat would be super annoying. This is why I proposed a designatdesignated channel for use in this area for those types of messages, and a separate general chat. This way, if you wanted to walk around and look at things, you wouldn't have to be spammed by merchant chatter. Furthermore, the island or district or zone or whatever could further broken down, so that heavy armor and weapons are on one street, enchants on another, light/med armor on another, etc.
In Oblivion and Skyrim, only certain merchants sold certain types of items. This idea is definitely within that type of system.
what about having separate channels specificity for WTB WTS and WTT 3 separate channels that way if your looking to sell you only need to look in the 1 chat channel and skim through it till you find someone looking for it? just a thought, and im not to keen on set shops either though they are better the a set AH. The shops lock you down so your not free to move around or leave at least not without closing up shop...I don't know alot of room for thought and improvements
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
I have been with guilds of people in WoW and other MMO's where the whole purpose is to buy out ALL stocks on certain items and spike the hell out of the price...what you fail to understand is you think your rich with your 36k that you worked REAL hard to get when there are others who have millions of gold all earned ligit we go in buy everything sell it back at inflated prices rinse and repeat we now own the market!
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
This was uncalled for
You might could cause a momentary spike in the price of something through a well funded and organized effort if you got lucky enough to find enough suckers willing to pay the price. But at best it would just be a temporary blip in the price history. And that's a far cry from owning the market.
I played WoW for many years and never once saw any individual or guild using the auction house to successfully extort the server into paying insane prices. Buying low and then selling higher for a profit is not controlling the market anyway. It's just participating in one. To actually control a market means you have no competition and can charge what ever you want. And if you tried to sell honing stones for 5k you would find out just how little the market would submit to your prices ^^
No one (or very few) would buy them for that price and you would in time be overwhelmed by the competition. Because eventually you will have to sleep or run out of gold. In short: the market would force you to lower your prices if you wanted any business. Not the other way around.Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on 4 June 2014 02:000 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
We can and DO already:
Think of each "company" in the pic above as one of our "stores", even though there are more "companies"/"stores" in the chart we are allowed to dip into compared to the 5 we are limited to in-game it's pretty self explanatory. Pump up one, dump on another then rinse and repeat the supply and demand while keeping prices competitive.
Exactly. Supply and demand are what is governing the prices. That means no individual or guild is controling the price. That was my point.
The buying and reselling of goods does not equate to someone controlling the market like the above poster was suggesting. It's simply working within the boundaries of a market dictated by the rules of supply and demand. It doesn't allow anyone to set what ever prices they want.
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Lunamaru✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
I guess there is no point arguing with stupid....I have been with guilds of people in WoW and other MMO's where the whole purpose is to buy out ALL stocks on certain items and spike the hell out of the price...what you fail to understand is you think your rich with your 36k that you worked REAL hard to get when there are others who have millions of gold all earned ligit we go in buy everything sell it back at inflated prices rinse and repeat we now own the market GOOD DAY SIR!
This was uncalled for
You might could cause a momentary spike in the price of something through a well funded and organized effort if you got lucky enough to find enough suckers willing to pay the price. But at best it would just be a temporary blip in the price history. And that's a far cry from owning the market.
I played WoW for many years and never once saw any individual or guild using the auction house to successfully extort the server into paying insane prices. Buying low and then selling higher for a profit is not controlling the market anyway. It's just participating in one. To actually control a market means you have no competition and can charge what ever you want. And if you tried to sell honing stones for 5k you would find out just how little the market would submit to your prices ^^
No one (or very few) would buy them for that price and you would in time be overwhelmed by the competition. Because eventually you will have to sleep or run out of gold. In short: the market would force you to lower your prices if you wanted any business. Not the other way around.
You must have played on low pop servers and never on the full ones in these games becasue we did own the market now enough of this we are getting away from the topic of this post if you wish to support it then please do if you are going to post topics like this then it would be best if you did not post them thank you and now bye bye have a nice day?
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
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You must have played on low pop servers and never on the full ones in these games becasue we did own the market now enough of this we are getting away from the topic of this post if you wish to support it then please do if you are going to post topics like this then it would be best if you did not post them thank you and now bye bye have a nice day?alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
....I have been with guilds of people in WoW and other MMO's where the whole purpose is to buy out ALL stocks on certain items and spike the hell out of the price...what you fail to understand is you think your rich with your 36k that you worked REAL hard to get when there are others who have millions of gold all earned ligit we go in buy everything sell it back at inflated prices rinse and repeat we now own the market !
This was uncalled for
You might could cause a momentary spike in the price of something through a well funded and organized effort if you got lucky enough to find enough suckers willing to pay the price. But at best it would just be a temporary blip in the price history. And that's a far cry from owning the market.
I played WoW for many years and never once saw any individual or guild using the auction house to successfully extort the server into paying insane prices. Buying low and then selling higher for a profit is not controlling the market anyway. It's just participating in one. To actually control a market means you have no competition and can charge what ever you want. And if you tried to sell honing stones for 5k you would find out just how little the market would submit to your prices ^^
No one (or very few) would buy them for that price and you would in time be overwhelmed by the competition. Because eventually you will have to sleep or run out of gold. In short: the market would force you to lower your prices if you wanted any business. Not the other way around.
I would say if anything is a wasted post in this thread it's you calling people stupid and the weakest link. When you have to resort ad hominem attacks that usually means you have lost the debate.
Also, a low population server would be easier to control than a higher population one. So even assuming I was on a low population server, I don't understand why you think that would help your case.
Anyway: you could simply prove me wrong. Guild Wars 2 has a mega server auction house with a high population - exactly like the type you are suggesting is so easy for you to own. So why don't you go over to that game, own the market using the auction house and make everyone pay you crazy high prices like you said you could. Then get back to me after you've accomplished this so I can download the game and take a look to see.
Otherwise I'm going to continue to see this idea of yours that auction houses allow you to own the economy as an exaggerated falsehood promoted by anti-auction house types as a sort of fear-mongering to prevent a competitive and open market (which this game desperately needs). Because I have never seen the situation you describe happen ever. Not once, on a single MMO. And I have played a lot of them.
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kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭put an AH in cyrodiil, so whoever owns most of it gets an AH! there's some incentive for pvp hah!
kidding btw no flame me
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alphawolph wrote: »
I would guess that what's happening is when they sell, they sell below market and get bought and resold. Then they assume its an evil plot to control the market.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »
Maybe we don't play the same game but my eso has trade guilds and a pretty strong economy with lots of arbitrage opportunities and things of worth to buy such as item upgrades, crit pots, glyphs, and rare gear plus crafted set items. Plus guild stores.
This game's economy is many things but strong is not among them.
As an example: I browsed through all five of my guild stores today looking for such rudimentary improvement items as honing stones and dwarf oil. I found one honing stone up for sale. One. No dwarf oil. Oh, and an embroidery for 1k gold. I kid you not. They wanted 1k gold for a single embroidery... and the truly sad thing is some desperate individual is probably going to buy it. So basically I spent half my morning flipping through dozens of pages and found a single honing stone for all my trouble. Truly an epic economy system we have here.
So I ended up having to spend a couple thousand of gold buying greens to deconstruct at 200+ gold each. And it looks like hours and hours of farming awaits me if I want to improve them to blues. Yes, I could have possibly spammed myself like a damn commercial on zone chat and found some for sale. But I'll quit this game before resort to trade spam.
My point is that guild stores are unreliable and do not provide a stable nor effective economy.
even in the larger vet trading guilds specified items like that are best found in zone chat hence why this idea was made...
Or they could just add an auction house so people wouldn't have to spam in chat to find these items to buy.
even if they did add a set AH god forbid they do people would still spam trade chat...
Probably some would. But it would be dramatically scaled back and people would not have to rely on it to buy things.
oh but they would because you see people like me will control the market you want a honing stone that will be 5k you dont want to pay it get it yourself or use trade chat...see my point >.>
No I don't. Because your point relies on this idea you would be able to control the economy if an auction house was implemented. Which you couldn't. You do not have endless gold and could not endlessly buy every honing stone someone put for sale immediately and then repost it for 5k.
you clearly have never played an mmo with a ah before have you?
I have played many. Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Aion, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2 etc... and on none of them was anyone able to control the market by using the auction house.
In fact just the opposite happened - and it allowed for a competitive market with reasonable prices. This idea you have that auction houses allow you to control the economy and hike the prices on everything is just a fantasy. Because in actuality it allows for more competition and drives the prices down.
The only way someone is able to control the price of something is if they can monopolize the means of production and avoid having to compete with other suppliers for the price of goods. And an auction house does not allow anyone to do that.
That might be why they think this. I'm not sure so your theory is as good as anything I've heard.
It would be possible to take advantage of the market at times to buy low and then resell at a higher price for profit. But for them to think that somehow gives them the power to control the market and set the price of goods is grandstanding to put it gently.
I guess there is no point arguing with stupid....I have been with guilds of people in WoW and other MMO's where the whole purpose is to buy out ALL stocks on certain items and spike the hell out of the price...what you fail to understand is you think your rich with your 36k that you worked REAL hard to get when there are others who have millions of gold all earned ligit we go in buy everything sell it back at inflated prices rinse and repeat we now own the market GOOD DAY SIR!
This was uncalled for
You might could cause a momentary spike in the price of something through a well funded and organized effort if you got lucky enough to find enough suckers willing to pay the price. But at best it would just be a temporary blip in the price history. And that's a far cry from owning the market.
I played WoW for many years and never once saw any individual or guild using the auction house to successfully extort the server into paying insane prices. Buying low and then selling higher for a profit is not controlling the market anyway. It's just participating in one. To actually control a market means you have no competition and can charge what ever you want. And if you tried to sell honing stones for 5k you would find out just how little the market would submit to your prices ^^
No one (or very few) would buy them for that price and you would in time be overwhelmed by the competition. Because eventually you will have to sleep or run out of gold. In short: the market would force you to lower your prices if you wanted any business. Not the other way around.
I do belief I said GOOD DAY SIR your posts will no longer be needed as they are a waste and are flawed you must have played on low pop servers and never on the full ones in these games becasue we did own the market now enough of this we are getting away from the topic of this post if you wish to support it then please do if you are going to post topics like this then it would be best if you did not post them thank you and now bye bye have a nice day? you are the weakest link good bye?
I would say if anything is a wasted post in this thread it's you calling people stupid and the weakest link. When you have to resort ad hominem attacks that usually means you have lost the debate.
Also, a low population server would be easier to control than a higher population one. So even assuming I was on a low population server, I don't understand why you think that would help your case.
Anyway: you could simply prove me wrong. Guild Wars 2 has a mega server auction house with a high population - exactly like the type you are suggesting is so easy for you to own. So why don't you go over to that game, own the market using the auction house and make everyone pay you crazy high prices like you said you could. Then get back to me after you've accomplished this so I can download the game and take a look to see.
Otherwise I'm going to continue to see this idea of yours that auction houses allow you to own the economy as an exaggerated falsehood promoted by anti-auction house types as a sort of fear-mongering to prevent a competitive and open market (which this game desperately needs). Because I have never seen the situation you describe happen ever. Not once, on a single MMO. And I have played a lot of them.
no there is just no further need for me to talk to you seeing how oblivious you truly are to the shadows that pull strings I am not going to bother wasting any more time arguing with you seeing as how your arguments are not even the slightest but intelligent and waste of space here on this thread if you disagree say so and kindly get lost
More insults. Why am I not surprised.
Like I said Lunamaru, if you want to prove your point you can. Just go log into any of the dozens of MMORPGs out there that have an auction house and own the market like you say you can. Force everyone to pay you insanely high prices then get back to me. And if I see that it is true, I'll be more than happy to admit I'm wrong.
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I think it's time for a reality check Lunamaru. This is a public forum. You do not tell me to get lost or to stop posting. And if anyone needs to be reported it's you for all those nasty names you have called me
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