Bash 3 Second Cooldown on PTS

Oblongship

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

e.gamemarkb14_ESO

Several posts on this already, but yes, I agree. If they start down this path, it will destroy the fundamental principles of what they said and it would change the game play for the worst.

I have no doubt a lot of players would leave if they decided to start putting in cool downs on skills, it's not right and frankly from a design point, poor decision when the community has given them a ton of feedback and viable solutions on this and many other issues, which they seem to completely ignore.

Xancathb16_ESO

Probably an unintended bug after the latest build, they're already nerfing it via the bash jewellery bug fix + reducing the stamina reduction deadly bash provides.

calm your ***.

Lynx7386

Hopefully that's true and this doesnt go live. Bash is the only thing keeping my nightblade from being completely worthless.

CheesyDaedra

Give it a 1.5 second cooldown IMO, you're supposed to shield yourself with that thing anyways.

Vartra

Making it something like 1 or 1.5 seconds akin to the shorter cast time spells like Crystal Shard seems reasonable enough. It would cut back the bash spam, not be cripplingly long, and from a logical standpoint would make it feel more like a "wind up" between bashes than an artificial cap.

Jade_Knightblazerb14_ESO

Yes give Bash a Cast time, not a Global Cooldown. Besides Cast timed spells/abilities feel more real in the game then the Instant pewpew ones.

Xancathb16_ESO

Personally I found both the complete lack of cooldowns and the lack of an aoe cap to be the biggest draws to the game for me.

It would suck if they fixed an overpowered mechanic in such a lazy way, but people need to seriously re-evaluate things if they're considering it the end of the world. It's ONE cooldown.

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO

Its on PTS for a reason, to be tested. Thank you for providing feedback.

Xsorus

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO wrote: »

Its on PTS for a reason, to be tested. Thank you for providing feedback.

lol no..

99% of the time, once a Developer throws something on the PTS server, they don't take it off.

KoooZ

Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally I found both the complete lack of cooldowns and the lack of an aoe cap to be the biggest draws to the game for me.

It would suck if they fixed an overpowered mechanic in such a lazy way, but people need to seriously re-evaluate things if they're considering it the end of the world. It's ONE cooldown.

You're wrong. No cool downs is a core principle of the game mechanics. You don't want it to be but it is.

Xancathb16_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO wrote: »

Its on PTS for a reason, to be tested. Thank you for providing feedback.

lol no..

99% of the time, once a Developer throws something on the PTS server, they don't take it off.

You're off your rocker. If you were privy to the various beta builds this game has gone through you'd eat your hat. The game has looked like TEN completely different games throughout it's beta phases it has changed so much, and almost all of it was do to player feedback and outcry.

You can knock Zen for a lot of things, but they listen to feedback.

Niffo

Giving an interrupt ability a cast time defeats the purpose of an interrupt ability.

KoooZ

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Giving an interrupt ability a cast time defeats the purpose of an interrupt ability.

It would be possible to interrupt an interrupt.

Xancathb16_ESO

KoooZ wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Giving an interrupt ability a cast time defeats the purpose of an interrupt ability.

It would be possible to interrupt an interrupt.

Interrupteception

driosketch

Oh lord, why are there more than one of these threads?

I tested it on the PTS. There is NO cooldown currently on the PTS. You can still spam bash. I don't know who said there was a cool down.

Sorry if I tagged you again from the other thread. Trying to douse this fire.
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randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO wrote: »

Its on PTS for a reason, to be tested. Thank you for providing feedback.

lol no..

99% of the time, once a Developer throws something on the PTS server, they don't take it off.

After the over-exaggerated comment, don't listen to this guy. There wouldnt be a point for the PTS server if they don't listen to feedbacks. They could've make it go live straight away. And which Developer of what game is this coming from?

chrisub17_ESO104

I heard this also, and was really surprised to hear about any CD going into the game. As a game dev myself, it makes no sense. You don't design a whole system around not having CD's, and then say oh we don't know how else to fix this so we are going to add a CD. That's a really dangerous road to go down, and I tend to believe that it is just a rumor until someone proves otherwise.

driosketch

@chrisub17_ESO104‌ I looked into it on the PTS. There is no cool down. Rumor, and a false one at that.

Niffo

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO wrote: »

Its on PTS for a reason, to be tested. Thank you for providing feedback.

lol no..

99% of the time, once a Developer throws something on the PTS server, they don't take it off.

After the over-exaggerated comment, don't listen to this guy. There wouldnt be a point for the PTS server if they don't listen to feedbacks. They could've make it go live straight away. And which Developer of what game is this coming from?

Well since there was no change and all of this is because of someone that had been misinformed nothing could have gone live. Also they've shown they don't listen to feedback by adding target caps to abilities that didn't have them instead of removing or increasing them.

Arreyanne

After the way they fixed the Vampire thing are you really that surprised

I mean come on.

driosketch

@Arreyanne This is false, there is no cool down on the PTS.

Cydone

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Niffo

Cydone wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Well they did also nerf all the other quests that gave good exp, so it makes sense they would get the other one too, so they're just trying to be sonsistent. But hey, they're adding more daily quests, so there's that.

driosketch

@Cydone OP is wrong. There is no such cooldown on PTS.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

To help hammer the point home:

THERE IS NO COOLDOWN ON BASH

I just got off the the test server, and I could bash all I wanted. Anyone who says that there is a CD on bash is either misinformed at best or malicious at worst.

Cydone

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Well they did also nerf all the other quests that gave good exp, so it makes sense they would get the other one too, so they're just trying to be sonsistent. But hey, they're adding more daily quests, so there's that.

What daily quests?? Cause there better be like 20 that give a [snip] ton of xp to make it worth it. And gold, can't forget gold.

Niffo

Cydone wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Well they did also nerf all the other quests that gave good exp, so it makes sense they would get the other one too, so they're just trying to be sonsistent. But hey, they're adding more daily quests, so there's that.

What daily quests?? Cause there better be like 20 that give a [snip] ton of xp to make it worth it. And gold, can't forget gold.

TESO Elite PvP podcast with Dev Brian Wheeler Brian Wheeler mentions it in the podcast, I don't remember when and I really don't want to have to sit through the hour long video to try and find it, sorry.

Daily quests are terrible content design, they quickly become a chore, you have to do them or you miss out.

Moderator Edit: Edited quoted post.

Cydone

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Well they did also nerf all the other quests that gave good exp, so it makes sense they would get the other one too, so they're just trying to be sonsistent. But hey, they're adding more daily quests, so there's that.

What daily quests?? Cause there better be like 20 that give a s**t ton of xp to make it worth it. And gold, can't forget gold.

TESO Elite PvP podcast with Dev Brian Wheeler Brian Wheeler mentions it in the podcast, I don't remember when and I really don't want to have to sit through the hour long video to try and find it, sorry.

Daily quests are terrible content design, they quickly become a chore, you have to do them or you miss out.

Agreed. Much preferred a repeatable that I could pick up at any time and just travel right back to the fight.

Arreyanne

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

I understand nerfing it...make it cost more or reduce the damage....but a 3 second cooldown?

This goes against everything ZOS said while in dev that this is not supposed to be a time based cool down system.

If it goes through with a time based CD I am gone...I wouldn't care if they nerfed the damage to do 5 damage per bash...going back on your fundamentals and your word as a dev is enough for me to want to leave.

Welcome to the club, cause they said they would be supporting leveling in PvP, but in the first week nerfed the only quest that would have allowed that to happen.

Well they did also nerf all the other quests that gave good exp, so it makes sense they would get the other one too, so they're just trying to be sonsistent. But hey, they're adding more daily quests, so there's that.

What daily quests?? Cause there better be like 20 that give a s**t ton of xp to make it worth it. And gold, can't forget gold.

TESO Elite PvP podcast with Dev Brian Wheeler Brian Wheeler mentions it in the podcast, I don't remember when and I really don't want to have to sit through the hour long video to try and find it, sorry.

Daily quests are terrible content design, they quickly become a chore, you have to do them or you miss out.

Quite true

Niffo

Cydone wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

TESO Elite PvP podcast with Dev Brian Wheeler Brian Wheeler mentions it in the podcast, I don't remember when and I really don't want to have to sit through the hour long video to try and find it, sorry.

Daily quests are terrible content design, they quickly become a chore, you have to do them or you miss out.

Agreed. Much preferred a repeatable that I could pick up at any time and just travel right back to the fight.

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Or even better, no quest, and just giving the proper rewards for kills instead of the back-and-forth that the 20 kill quest had us doing. That quest completely ruined the moment of PvP, because if you didn't hand it in right away you were wasting kills. All of the alliance/experience points should be rewarded to the player while they're out in the field. The loot bags are also a let down, I've never gotten anything other than green, meanwhile pve can get up to purple as drops.