The most powerful class in the world...

thilog

Sorc with shield bash?
Nightblade with 2 handsword?

In short.. the class system, just doesn't work. And this new system, of pick n mix.. clearly isn't either.

Would be nice to see true class lists for the servers. ie percentage of players playing as. Since it's pretty obvious nearly all botters are templars uisng aedric jab spam. This is apparently the "new" melee class.

But for general play.. Shield bash for the win.. clearly.. sb needs a severe nerf. Keep posting like this.. soon the game will be so weak and watered down that everyone will wonder wth they're logging in for.

I only log in to feed my horse.. he's (I think he's a he) is at 43 speed, 10 stam, 1 packs.

Fyi.. This post was made in a sarcastically joking manner. But, underlining a real ingame issue. And my horse is now 46% speed which is Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeely fast. Until you get debunked by a hidden db then the lag of slowing down is really what kills you.. I also made rank1 now and I'm trying to get werewolf up so I can bite people for free.

ShintaiDK

Shield bash is not the issue. Shield bash filled with +bash dmg jewerly is.

Also your issue demonstrates another issue. Magic users like sorcs can freely waste their stamina to get double the damage output resource wise.

AlexDougherty

Dragon Knight is equal to Templar in my opinion, with the Sorceror not far behind.

Not yet tried the Nightblade.

murklor007neb18_ESO

Crippling sword and shield is only going end up as a massive buff to ranged magic attacks. Do we not have enough problems with them being OP already?

But hey I'm game for lowered bash, assuming regular melee attack damage get doubled or tripled.

Zolyok

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Dragon Knight is equal to Templar in my opinion, with the Sorceror not far behind.

Not yet tried the Nightblade.

Equal in what ? I got 3 toon i didn't try nighblade yet
With the class skill
DK are way more solid than Templar
DK dps more than Templar
Sorcerer does a lot more damage than templar
And when it comme to cc or aoe power ...

Fairydragon3

"The most powerful class in the world..."......Tribute......

Gaudrath

Being a templar is only for real men.

thilog

Gaudrath wrote: »

Being a templar is only for real men.

In pvp it kinda sucks tho, you don't get range on people before you're blown outa the world..

mikeyy13b16_ESO

mikeyy13b16_ESO

thilog

I think it's a wide variety of fixed class systems, that make pvp games, worth playing. in WW2 like games you have your melee, medics, snipers, demo and so on and people flock to these games, in fantasy games, most pvp has always been people hiding and and sniping.. (snipers) and sorc aoe, any other choice and you're really just fodder for the former.

ZiRM

Is this a titanic reference?

Anzer

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

"The most powerful class in the world..."......Tribute......

...a long time ago, me and my brother @Fairydragon3 here were hitchhiking down a long and lonesome road. When all of a sudden, there shined a shiny "class", in the middle of the road...

Fairydragon3

Well Me and @Anzer....we Looked at each other....AND WE EACH SAID...."OK"

Anzer

...and we played the first class that came to our heads, it just so happened to be the best class in the world, it was the best class in the world!..

eliisra

ShintaiDK wrote: »

Shield bash is not the issue. Shield bash filled with +bash dmg jewerly is.

Also your issue demonstrates another issue. Magic users like sorcs can freely waste their stamina to get double the damage output resource wise.

So that's how people breeze true vet content. I keep seeing people asking for bash glyphs while leveling and always wondered why, thanks for clarifying.

As a (non vamp) light armour/staff using Sorcerer I die and struggle like everyone else in vet 5+ areas. I'm always out of stamina from rolling and blocking, I can't kite normally because I will aggro more groups. I will die in 3 hits so there is no way I can afford to use my stamina on skills.

So yeah shield and Bash spam is apparently the way to go, not being a silly Harry Potter like myself.

Seems the problem in ESO is how skill lines, passives, weapon threes and itemization synchronizes, creating overtuned or even OP combinations. That's why we have a vampire situation in Cyrodiil, for example. I predict more to come, unless they place a skilled dev to only look at these issues.

ArRashid

There will ALWAYS be imbalance in PvP. It's not possible to balance even 2 classes to be equally strong. You'd have to pit the same class against each other using the same gear and the same abilities.

Also how the heck is 2h nightblade strong? Maybe in 1vs1 PvP (can't even kill more, because magicka runs dry after 2 spells) when surprising you from stealth, but they are really, REALLY pathetic for PvE. Anything above VR1 just decimates anyone who doesn't use some "OP" class with "OP" build.

plaxy186

ArRashid wrote: »

There will ALWAYS be imbalance in PvP. It's not possible to balance even 2 classes to be equally strong. You'd have to pit the same class against each other using the same gear and the same abilities.

Also how the heck is 2h nightblade strong? Maybe in 1vs1 PvP (can't even kill more, because magicka runs dry after 2 spells) when surprising you from stealth, but they are really, REALLY pathetic for PvE. Anything above VR1 just decimates anyone who doesn't use some "OP" class with "OP" build.

Don't know about 2 hander nightblades but know Sword n Shield heavy armor Nightblades aka Darknight with Siphon and shadow abilities is a tanking beast with a never ending supply of stanima, health, and magica.

Hail_Sithis

Wow, just....

I don't know what to say....Wait, here we go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E

davidetombab16_ESO

why play a *** class when u have a dk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRYfQPAloeE

Hail_Sithis

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

why play a *** class when u have a dk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVVLsUUWrQY

Beeftips

DK seems to be the flavor the month. However, I am putting all my chips on my NB. I hope that once they fix all our broken passives, we will be a lot stronger in pvp and pve.

TicToc

thilog wrote: »

Gaudrath wrote: »

Being a templar is only for real men.

In pvp it kinda sucks tho, you don't get range on people before you're blown outa the world..

Huh? Templars have ranged attacks that have the same range as sorcerers, and are longer range than DK abilities. Plus, they have a charge ability that covers close to the same distance. You can also use sneak, like everybody else, to get in closer.

FrauPerchta

I sound like a broken record I am sure but so far I haven't found a stronger character than an Orc Sorcerer, 2H (no pet or sticks) wearing 5 Heavy and 2 Light.

Nox_Aeterna

Dk is a monster mate , honestly , if they dont nerf this class , there is a chance i will quit just because i dont belong to it , and i dont have the patience to lvl one myself.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

thilog wrote: »

Nightblade with 2 handsword?

What? Please explain this to me because ive leveled 2 handed to 50 as a nb and its pretty *** when compared to everything else.

thilog

TicToc wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Gaudrath wrote: »

Being a templar is only for real men.

In pvp it kinda sucks tho, you don't get range on people before you're blown outa the world..

Huh? Templars have ranged attacks that have the same range as sorcerers, and are longer range than DK abilities. Plus, they have a charge ability that covers close to the same distance. You can also use sneak, like everybody else, to get in closer.

Only if you spec that way. I found 1 hand and shield too low dps for solo play, preferring dual wield. I also went with aedric jab as opposed to using the ranged spells. On top of those I trained healing spells to max. (to assist in grouping and generally helping other players)

The problem all classes really have, is if you switch or respec to totally different styles within the same classification too late in the characters lifecycle you are essentially nerfing yourself. Damage output is significantly lower and damage absorbtion or deflection depending on how you look at it is also significantly reduced, since you need to wait for the skills to raise in those areas to train in the skills that make that armour or weapon class useful over another one already trained.

There isn't much point in just respeccing at will, you need to train skills up and max them which takes longer than it does to get to 50 in level.

It is actually quicker to make a new character and follow a specific rule and specification than it is to respec and retrain.

thilog

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

why play a *** class when u have a dk?

Thanks for the vid. I didn't realise the skills I was seeing was a dragon knight skill line, but thought it was a sorc aoe, I guess I assumed it was sorc since generally these aoe abilities are sorc types.

Can you list what skill lines you are using?

I can seeing you're going 1h/shield, using shield bash etc. I take it you're just putting on armour, then holding shield up and spamming the aoe?

You look like a one man bot team.. lol. The question is tho.. in pve it's easy enough to point out the power of a setup.. but how does this work in pvp?

Cheatingdeath23

thilog wrote: »

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

why play a *** class when u have a dk?

Thanks for the vid. I didn't realise the skills I was seeing was a dragon knight skill line, but thought it was a sorc aoe, I guess I assumed it was sorc since generally these aoe abilities are sorc types.

Can you list what skill lines you are using?

I can seeing you're going 1h/shield, using shield bash etc. I take it you're just putting on armour, then holding shield up and spamming the aoe?

You look like a one man bot team.. lol. The question is tho.. in pve it's easy enough to point out the power of a setup.. but how does this work in pvp?

Extremely, extremely effectively.

Less so lately, as people have learned... but a vampire DK can singlehandedly take on 5+ in PvP unless they know to back off and attack from range.

Once at range, they can die pretty fast, but in big mobs it is hard to tell who is what and DK can dominate.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

nightblade with resto staff
why: because they can take down on a 4 man dungeon boss alone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4

Markethemetalheadb14_ESO

Can anyone explain what makes 2h Nightblade so apparently overpowered?

I'm looking for something to try when I get my NB to Vet zones, as I'm pretty sure the ol' dual wield/bow/siphon/medium armor boring Rogue template isn't going to work on those 3 packs I tear through on my Templar.