If you don't like Auction House

socomhdsb16_ESO

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Jeremy

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

That's similar to how I feel about it too.

Those who rather shout in trade channels can continue to do so. But for those of us don't, we need an auction house so we can enjoy the game's economy too. Because not all of us consider spamming WTS/WTB advertisements on chat as a fun social experience.

methjester

I dunno. I'm kinda getting used to playing an MMO stuck in 1999. Not digging it at all, but getting used to it.

I can't wait for guilds to absolutely pwn the guild kiosks and pay their horrid prices. If I don't like it well, I can just outbid them the following week or lump it.

See, 1999 doesn't seem so bad compared to that.

sociald100ub17_ESO

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

Jeremy

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

You wouldn't hear any whining out me. Nothing but cheers ^^

And even assuming what you suggest would happen, I doubt the prices would be much worst than what a lot of these Guild Stores want.

e.gamemarkb14_ESO

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Same could be said on your choosing to NOT join trade guild and learn how to interact with other players. Seriously, if you want to come here and whine about how spoiled gamers have become with the spoon fed attitude, then just maybe you should consider whether the game is for you or not.

I personally hope ZOS never caves on this and instead, finds way to enhance the current system. There is no problem finding what I want, and it makes pricing competitive along with self regulated, as good trade guilds can quickly remove "bad apples".

We don't have to worry about price fixing and gouging like you see in other games that have a universal AH system. The current trading system works just fine, and the 1000's of active traders across the 4 trade guilds I belong to must mean it's working pretty well, because there is a lot of good selling / buying happening without the use of some global AH.

"But I don't have time!" <whine> - sure you do, if you have time to jump into these forums and make all sorts of posts about it, you could have utilized that time in reviewing the goods available on several trade guilds.

Jeremy

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Same could be said on your choosing to NOT join trade guild and learn how to interact with other players.

I have joined many trade guilds and attempted to interact with others. I still can hardly ever find what I want to buy.

For example: it is literally faster for me to spend days on end farming for my honing stones and dwarf oils than it is to attempt to use this economy to buy any of them. I'll admit the OP was less than diplomatic, but I think it has a point. Because the market selection on this game is just awful.

joshisanonymous

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Because that's realistic? Do you honestly think a global auction house would be just an option if it were implemented? It would be literally impossible to pretend that it doesn't exist.

methjester

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Same could be said on your choosing to NOT join trade guild and learn how to interact with other players. Seriously, if you want to come here and whine about how spoiled gamers have become with the spoon fed attitude, then just maybe you should consider whether the game is for you or not.

I personally hope ZOS never caves on this and instead, finds way to enhance the current system. There is no problem finding what I want, and it makes pricing competitive along with self regulated, as good trade guilds can quickly remove "bad apples".

We don't have to worry about price fixing and gouging like you see in other games that have a universal AH system. The current trading system works just fine, and the 1000's of active traders across the 4 trade guilds I belong to must mean it's working pretty well, because there is a lot of good selling / buying happening without the use of some global AH.

"But I don't have time!" <whine> - sure you do, if you have time to jump into these forums and make all sorts of posts about it, you could have utilized that time in reviewing the goods available on several trade guilds.

Are you for real? I mean, seriously? You're in not one, but 4 fully stocked trade guilds with good prices? I mean, wow. Let me in so I can start buying up veteran 3 armor and potency 6 runes.

Current system is fine? Wow... Wow.... Just wow...

I guess using that darn auction house in I dunno.. every MMO has spoiled me over the last 15 years.

alphawolph

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

I have never seen a rare mat for sale in game. So, if I could buy them at all I would be happy.

methjester

alphawolph wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

I have never seen a rare mat for sale in game. So, if I could buy them at all I would be happy.

I think a lot of these guys just want it to be another solo player Elder scrolls game. The thought of an Auction house will somehow ruin their immersion. I'm thinking at this point it's like arguing politics and religion... all the facts in the world, and they will stick to their NO, it'll ruin things.

Drachenfier

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

If its rare, the price will be ridiculous regardless of who's selling it. If its not rare, the price will drop. When demand exceeds supply, prices rise. There's no getting around this. What a larger market will do is add more to the supply, thereby reducing prices.

Catches_the_Sun

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have yet to read. It isn't as simple as "don't use it". Adding an AH to the game significantly changes the game for everybody, whether you choose to use it or not. I'm not going to rehash all of the reasons why in yet another thread. The bottom line is this game doesn't have one, doesn't need one, and won't have one in the future...it was never advertised or marketed as a feature, which was reiterated in beta and reinforced again during the AmA a couple weeks before launch. Lack of an AH was not a mere oversight as some of you would believe. It was a critical design decision and one that I emphatically agree with.

Jeremy

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have yet to read. It isn't as simple as "don't use it". Adding an AH to the game significantly changes the game for everybody, whether you choose to use it or not. I'm not going to rehash all of the reasons why in yet another thread. The bottom line is this game doesn't have one, doesn't need one, and won't have one in the future...it was never advertised or marketed as a feature, which was reiterated in beta and reinforced again during the AmA a couple weeks before launch. Lack of an AH was not a mere oversight as some of you would believe. It was a critical design decision and one that I emphatically agree with.

I'm going to have to challenge you on this.

If there were enough players who were averse to using an auction house they could avoid using it.

Now its true an auction house would create an efficient and stable market that would far out-perform trade spam and Guild Stores (which is why we want one). So the temptation to use it would be there. But if there were enough players willing to stand on their principles and avoid using it - they could still trade with one another through the current means. So the OP - though a tad harsh in its language - is correct. I don't think it's an ignorant statement ^^

Varivox9

I want an AH, I just don't see any feasible way to incorporate it into the game with one massive server....

alphawolph

methjester wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

sociald100ub17_ESO wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

I really don't want to hear all the whining if and when they do add one and someone like yourself goes looking to buy rare mat x only to find out joe rich bot just abought up all of them and is the only seller and is selling at a ridiculous price.

I have never seen a rare mat for sale in game. So, if I could buy them at all I would be happy.

I think a lot of these guys just want it to be another solo player Elder scrolls game. The thought of an Auction house will somehow ruin their immersion. I'm thinking at this point it's like arguing politics and religion... all the facts in the world, and they will stick to their NO, it'll ruin things.

This is one of the best solo MMOs I've played. We don't need others for any thing.

Catches_the_Sun

Jerem0001 wrote:

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have yet to read. It isn't as simple as "don't use it". Adding an AH to the game significantly changes the game for everybody, whether you choose to use it or not. I'm not going to rehash all of the reasons why in yet another thread. The bottom line is this game doesn't have one, doesn't need one, and won't have one in the future...it was never advertised or marketed as a feature, which was reiterated in beta and reinforced again during the AmA a couple weeks before launch. Lack of an AH was not a mere oversight as some of you would believe. It was a critical design decision and one that I emphatically agree with.

I'm going to have to challenge you on this.

If there were enough players who were averse to using an auction house they could avoid using it.

Now its true an auction house would create an efficient and stable market that would far out-perform trade spam and Guild Stores (which is why we want one). But if there were enough players willing to stand on their principles and avoid using it - they could still trade with one another through the current means. So the OP - though a tad harsh in its language - is correct. I don't think it's an ignorant statement at all ^^

Well, I'll challenge you back, I guess. I decided to play this game because it didn't have an AH. Now I realize that doesn't make much sense to the spoonfed MMO gamer that WoW has created along with the Singleplayer nature of the modern MMO, so I'll explain. The lack of an AH increases socialization...I believe firmly that an MMO should be a social game, and am in favor of any features that move them toward that end & away from the Singleplayer MMO that the genre has become in this generation.

My Friends list grows daily, either from people that I make custom set armor for, or cook food for, or fellow crafters that I bounce ideas off of & trade deconstruction items with. With an AH, I would have never crossed paths with these people. Blacksmiths would grind daggers and load them on the AH & buy more from other people to deconstruct. They would never know each other or talk to each other. Is this really what you guys see as the vision for MMO gaming?

Another thing you're seeing in-game right now is that the crafters who dedicate the most time to selling their wares are the most successful. I am not one of those guys, but I think it's great to see. When you put in an AH, this also goes away. I don't like a system where the lone crafter who sits in a corner can grind out items, put them on the AH, then come back 4 days later with gold waiting. In ESO, this isn't possible.

If you put in an AH, this social interaction becomes a thing of the past...again. I won't come here to complain about it as there is competition on the horizon that will stay true to that vision if ESO does not. If I wanted to play a Singleplayer Elder Scrolls game, I'd play Skyrim.

So, your turn. Tell me what compelling reason you have for "needing" your AH. Is it so you have instant gratification? No work needed to buy or sell? Do you think that your items that won't sell in 15 minutes of Zone chat will suddenly sell sitting next to 10k identical items in an AH? No knowledge or thought required to know the value of your wares? You want to make as much money as the guy that dedicates time & effort to it...without the time & effort?

ChairGraveyard

How about this OP, if you want a global AH that craps up the economy in a matter of days due to automated cheating, YOU go play something else instead of trying to get your crap ideas shoehorned into a game they don't have any place in.

roflcopter

I honestly didn't realize how many people rely on auction houses. To me its a non factor in this game, so many other uses for the gear / drops in this game to worry about selling it on any AH. I make plenty of gold question / killing mobs.

Dunno

Jeremy

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Jerem0001 wrote:

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have yet to read. It isn't as simple as "don't use it". Adding an AH to the game significantly changes the game for everybody, whether you choose to use it or not. I'm not going to rehash all of the reasons why in yet another thread. The bottom line is this game doesn't have one, doesn't need one, and won't have one in the future...it was never advertised or marketed as a feature, which was reiterated in beta and reinforced again during the AmA a couple weeks before launch. Lack of an AH was not a mere oversight as some of you would believe. It was a critical design decision and one that I emphatically agree with.

I'm going to have to challenge you on this.

If there were enough players who were averse to using an auction house they could avoid using it.

Now its true an auction house would create an efficient and stable market that would far out-perform trade spam and Guild Stores (which is why we want one). But if there were enough players willing to stand on their principles and avoid using it - they could still trade with one another through the current means. So the OP - though a tad harsh in its language - is correct. I don't think it's an ignorant statement at all ^^

Well, I'll challenge you back, I guess. I decided to play this game because it didn't have an AH. Now I realize that doesn't make much sense to the spoonfed MMO gamer that WoW has created along with the Singleplayer nature of the modern MMO, so I'll explain. The lack of an AH increases socialization...I believe firmly that an MMO should be a social game, and am in favor of any features that move them toward that end & away from the Singleplayer MMO that the genre has become in this generation.

My Friends list grows daily, either from people that I make custom set armor for, or cook food for, or fellow crafters that I bounce ideas off of & trade deconstruction items with. With an AH, I would have never crossed paths with these people. Blacksmiths would grind daggers and load them on the AH & buy more from other people to deconstruct. They would never know each other or talk to each other. Is this really what you guys see as the vision for MMO gaming?

Another thing you're seeing in-game right now is that the crafters who dedicate the most time to selling their wares are the most successful. I am not one of those guys, but I think it's great to see. When you put in an AH, this also goes away. I don't like a system where the lone crafter who sits in a corner can grind out items, put them on the AH, then come back 4 days later with gold waiting. In ESO, this isn't possible.

If you put in an AH, this social interaction becomes a thing of the past...again. I won't come here to complain about it as there is competition on the horizon that will stay true to that vision if ESO does not. If I wanted to play a Singleplayer Elder Scrolls game, I'd play Skyrim.

So, your turn. Tell me what compelling reason you have for "needing" your AH. Is it so you have instant gratification? No work needed to buy or sell? Do you think that your items that won't sell in 15 minutes of Zone chat will suddenly sell sitting next to 10k identical items in an AH? No knowledge or thought required to know the value of your wares? You want to make as much money as the guy that dedicates time & effort to it...without the time & effort?

We are getting off what I was trying to say, but I don't find shouting WTS or WTB spam in chat or browsing Guild Store listings as quality social time. I hear this argument a lot - but I just don't relate to it on any level. It's almost like an alien language to me.

And the reason I want an Auction House is because it gives me more access to what players are selling and buying. That way I can be more successful at buying/selling as a result.

But back to what I was saying, my point was even if an auction house was implemented - people who don't want to use it and prefer to spam advertisements on chat to enjoy this kind of social interaction may still do so. That was what the OP was saying - and he is correct.

If you hate auction houses so much, simply don't use it. If trade spam truly is so enjoyable for so many people - then people should willingly continue to do it.

joshisanonymous

Jeremy wrote: »

But back to what I was saying, my point was even if an auction house was implemented - people who don't want to use it and prefer to spam advertisements on chat to enjoy this kind of social interaction may still do so. That was what the OP was saying - and he is correct.

If you hate auction houses so much, simply don't use it. If trade spam is truly so enjoyable for so many people - then people should willingly continue to do it.

Sure, if your only reason for not wanting an auction house is because you prefer to interact face-to-face with other players, using an implemented auction house might be an option. This, however, is far from the only reason.

Personally, global auction houses create a different type of economy altogether, one which I prefer not to see. For instance, prices will be directly dictated by what happens in the auction house, regardless of whether you use it or not, because everyone will know what literally every other player in the game is trying to sell their stuff for. In the current system, broader knowledge of the market is a commodity in itself: it takes work to achieve and allows you to make more profit than those who don't bother to work for it. As is, being a merchant is more of a specialty because of the effort required. I like that.

I'm not going into detail about any of this because its been rehashed ad infinitum in other threads. Needless to say, though, I would simply not have access to the type of economy that I prefer if an auction house were implemented, whether I choose to ignore it or not.

Catches_the_Sun

"Jeremy wrote: »

If you hate auction houses so much, simply don't use it. If trade spam truly is so enjoyable for so many people - then people should willingly continue to do it.

Trade spam is not the extent of the interaction, it is the beginning of it. For example, through the process of selling food, I have met other Provisioners to swap recipes with, have built a regular customer base, and have discussed crafting & other game mechanics.

As far as your "simply don't use it" tone, I'll turn that one around on you. I chose my game based on research of the included features. If you must have an AH, go get one. There is a plethora of singleplayer MMOs for you to choose from.

Orizuru

roflcopter wrote: »

I honestly didn't realize how many people rely on auction houses. To me its a non factor in this game, so many other uses for the gear / drops in this game to worry about selling it on any AH. I make plenty of gold question / killing mobs.

Dunno

I can't help but wonder how much money they spent on gold from gold sellers and want an AH because they've realized this game doesn't have much use for currency outside of repairs and backpack upgrades.

Varivox9

I guess I'm reminded of this same phrase being used in Diablo 3. If you don't want to use the AH, don't. It wasn't that simple though. An AH implemented into this game, with one giant megaserver, would completely destroy the economy. Items would most likely be so readily available on it that you'd be lucky to get vendor prices OR, they'd have to nerf the drop rates significantly to compensate. I saw how that worked in D3 and, while not the same game/genre, I don't understand how it would work out any better.

RKLimes

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

If you must have an AH, go get one. There is a plethora of singleplayer MMOs for you to choose from.

This is the most single player mmo I've ever experienced.

alphawolph

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

roflcopter wrote: »

I honestly didn't realize how many people rely on auction houses. To me its a non factor in this game, so many other uses for the gear / drops in this game to worry about selling it on any AH. I make plenty of gold question / killing mobs.

Dunno

I can't help but wonder how much money they spent on gold from gold sellers and want an AH because they've realized this game doesn't have much use for currency outside of repairs and backpack upgrades.

Why would any one who makes gold from a global market need to buy gold? I want an AH cause it's the most efficient way to sell and buy. I'm not worried though when 60 percent of the population wants one we will get one.

methjester

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Jerem0001 wrote:

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

So, your turn. Tell me what compelling reason you have for "needing" your AH. Is it so you have instant gratification? No work needed to buy or sell? Do you think that your items that won't sell in 15 minutes of Zone chat will suddenly sell sitting next to 10k identical items in an AH? No knowledge or thought required to know the value of your wares? You want to make as much money as the guy that dedicates time & effort to it...without the time & effort?

COD's are flaky at best. Fee's are too high, and people can let it sit in their mail for weeks if they choose. I tell people to travel to me, and they don't want to come. That eats up my time finding buyers. I put out a /zone shout that I'm selling something, and it could take 5-15 minutes to actually settle on a price. Buyer flakes out, leaves. I miss another due to floating text. I do have a dedicated whisper panel. Now I get nothing, and I can keep spamming or go to another zone or cluster. I will not discuss guild stores as they are a joke, and will only get worse.

Or, I could have just posted, walked away and got some exp, more loot and got some gold out of it. I'm all for being social, but this is 2014 and they have the technology. I have no desire to play Mr. haggler for hours on end for something that should just sell.

I'm not lazy I just value my time. This isn't a facebook social game.

RomedyMC

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Not this again.

Think about someone other than yourself. In my humble opinion, an AH will destroy the economy and tip the scales in favor of those who DO have an infinite amount of time to play. (I am NOT one of those.)

If you care about keeping trade fair, you wouldn't want an AH in the game.

Also, you can use the chat settings to remove zone chat and not see the WTS spam! DC the stuff you get or use guild chat to sell motifs, etc. Also, find good trade guilds. I just don't have the same problems the majority seems to have. 2 trading guilds have provided everything I have needed either through the store or through /g.

methjester

RomedyMC wrote: »

socomhdsb16_ESO wrote: »

Then don't use it!

seriously all these people whining about no auction house, well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it.

not everyone have as much time to play as you do, and I would rather be adventuring rather then standing in a city shouting in trade chat for a single item.

Not this again.

Think about someone other than yourself. In my humble opinion, an AH will destroy the economy and tip the scales in favor of those who DO have an infinite amount of time to play. (I am NOT one of those.)

If you care about keeping trade fair, you wouldn't want an AH in the game.

Also, you can use the chat settings to remove zone chat and not see the WTS spam! DC the stuff you get or use guild chat to sell motifs, etc. Also, find good trade guilds. I just don't have the same problems the majority seems to have. 2 trading guilds have provided everything I have needed either through the store or through /g.

How will it destroy the economy? By providing items to buy? Do you want a care bear economy where everybody gets to play? I understand that common items will sell cheaply and I think that's great because 90% of them are likely being destroyed now. Expensive rare items will sell high? OK, sounds normal. Free market at its finest. Right now no market exists, and when free month runs out there will be less people to buy and sell.

I'm glad you are finding what you need in your guild store, but I am not. Anything above level 40 is very hard to find, vet level gear and mats are near impossible. Also, guild store interfaces are a joke.

I do not care about keeping trade fair. Life isn't fair, why should I want to not sell my stuff the easiest way possible?

To sell a glyph I should have to shout an hour to find the right buyer instead of "making friends" in zone chat? I have yet to make a friend buying stuff over the years, and I doubt you have either.

Malediktus

Dont like it dont use it wont work in the case of an auction house. It will affect everything even if you dont use the auction house.
I pray to the gods that Zenimax wont give in.

Currently TESO is a sellers market and you can actually get decent prices for your items if you bother to use the chat. Global auctionhouse/tradingpost/whatever would turn it into a buyers market where you get crap fro your items because everyone undercuts each other.

Jadakin

alphawolph wrote: »

I'm not worried though when 60 percent of the population wants one we will get one.

A forum poll in a crafting sub section does not equal all of the population.