Could this KILL ESO?

Goldie

We have all seen the videos of the OP Dragon Knight builds, where the vampire Ultimate Procs about every 5 seconds, and if you have not seen it, then watch the video included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZsIDSSGV4

What this is doing to the PVP population is incredible! I have watched at least 50 players Rage Quit because of this build. Any other builds for average players, (especially ones that don't know much about perfecting builds, even at Vet10), do NOT stand a chance. I have watched as these players take keeps by themselves, with 0 team members, or in some cases a healer in tow. In my opinion this is totally killing PVP first of all because of the HUGE imbalance between certain builds and especially levels.

Sure, you can join PVP campaigns at level 10, but who would want to? I would direct you to listen to the testimonies of others, but good luck finding them, they have quit and cancelled their subscriptions to ESO.

And before all of you elitist hounds jump all over this post, and attack me in your subtle smart-assery, let me just say... save it. No one cares for your off topic comments.

largusmeansb16_ESO

Been posting it all day, its not about AoE caps that will change the state of PVP, its unlimited ultimate spaming that is the problem. But a 30 sec cap on ultimate's and this guy dies like every other smoe.

Gisgo

largusmeansb16_ESO wrote: »

30 sec cap on ultimate

This. Easy, and it works.

RaZaddha

You can count as 51 players who rage quit because of Bat Swarm.

awkwarrd

Yet another DK.. abusing broken skills..

Highly unlikely ZOS cares at this point.
This has been posted for the past week, and nothing has changed.

The only time ZOS gave a crap about Cyradiil, is when they thought people were PVPing too much that they didn't play their PVE story, and nerfed the Kill Quest.

Gisgo

And this is the fifth time this thread gets posted.

Flagged for spam, you better tell your guild to stop it

Kypho

yeah it start to get boring just like pvp against swarmspammers.

Sleepydan

I've said it before today and I'll say it again. What is abusive from that video isn't the bat swarm.

It's the never ending green bar of permanent blocking.

Being a permablocking brick wall is what is op. Getting attacked by everyone and having a surplus of stamina is op.

Being a vampire and not getting knocked down by anything in an 8 minute killing spree is what is unacceptable.

Either no one is using fighter guild skills, which I doubt, or literally every attempt was blocked. In what appeared to be an endless 5-8 v 1. Where as he killed them more trickled in.


If I could do anything he is doing in that video, I would like to never run out of stamina while blocking please.


Then I could cast whatever damn ultimate or spell suits me. Maybe dragon knight standard and that dragonblood spell to heal.

Maybe that nightblade ult that heals and tethers. There is a video of a nightblade tank build that casts that ult on YouTube 3 times in like 30 seconds with only the synergies he could achieve on solo play. (Yeah it's pve. The point is ultimate spam isn't unrealistic without being a vampire. I bet you that guy wasn't wearing the ult reduction set either)

Then you could trade the "impossible" counter play of bat swarm (stay out of range or the aoe, cc and own it with everything you got + fighters guild and fire)

With the "ex mode" counter play of don't stand in the red circles and cc him with everything you got ...no extra help from anything though.

I bet you anything that guy could 5v1 people using whatever his second choice of ultimate would be., because he can't get ccd till he stops blocking and he stops blocking when he runs out of stamina and he doesn't run out of stamina.

Loxy37

Exactly why I don't PvP and exactly why I gave up FPS games many years ago. People like this ruin games for people.

Kypho

only fear and soul tether will stop his blocking i think, but i dont think you could survive to get close to him and spam those abilities on him, because swarm has double range than all other+swarm has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to high dmg.

Libertine

stuff liked that killed warhammer...just sayig...

Zintair

I fight aginst Neighbor all the time on Wabbajack. He is only difficult in zergs of PUGS. The question is how does he never run out of Stamina? What is his build doing that keeps his stamina up so much from INFINITE Blocking ?

Is it Absorb Magic?

AshTal

Yes this is very very damaging to PvP - I have rage quit PvP because of the over powered Vampire build. They need to fix PvP fast, they need to rebalance it and they need to get some Dev posts onto this forum to tell us what they are doing about all of this and fast. Now a lot of people who want to try out PvP will quit with a very bad first experience because of these exploits.

sagitter

Ofc, i ll wait some months, if this *** is not fixed i'll 100% stop play.

sagitter

Zintair wrote: »

I fight aginst Neighbor all the time on Wabbajack. He is only difficult in zergs of PUGS. The question is how does he never run out of Stamina? What is his build doing that keeps his stamina up so much from INFINITE Blocking ?

Is it Absorb Magic?

There is a DK passive that recover u health mana and endu every time u use ultimates, and the bat spam ultimate helps much.

Zerl

Vamp DK using S&B, what a shock!

Collecting all the broken skills like they are pokemon (gotta catch 'em all!)...

Phoenix99

Heh, and I recall people were talking, "vamps are fine" when I was posting about this issue around April 10th it was even pointed out during closed beta with Psijic testers, but guess what... ZoS does not care about PvP balance, at least not yet. They have focus set up on PvE content as this is where the vast majority of MMO players is at.

At first I thought this might be the game for me, now I am a bit annoyed and might just go back straight to strictly PvP games ( I am already spending less time on ESO). I have sub for 3 months once this 30 day period will end, but if with the campaigns restart there won't be a dedicated BIG balance patch, then it will be last adventure with this MMO, as it will be another boring game about grinding and exploiting mechanics.

Soban

Libertine wrote: »

stuff liked that killed warhammer...just sayig...

AoC too. The lack of a response to a hotfix worthy problem, that is.

lordz88b16_ESO

What annoys me the most is why isn't there a single dev posting telling us what's going on about it. They could atleast say they ain't planning on changing it. Just some sort of answer. It's a complete joke now ZOS pull your finger out!

knaveofengland

its like any thing else things take time when they nerf 1 thing it has to be tested and all this does take time, its easy for us use a band aid but some fixes do take time, so be patient game is not even a month old yet ,
so there are plenty of things to do in game for now until a solution comes

Libertine

knaveofengland wrote: »

its like any thing else things take time when they nerf 1 thing it has to be tested and all this does take time, its easy for us use a band aid but some fixes do take time, so be patient game is not even a month old yet ,
so there are plenty of things to do in game for now until a solution comes

if the current situation is any indicator zenimax doesnt really care for testing stuff...

Smogg

The thing is with the amount of skills available, there are more combinations possible than there will ever be players to test it. I don't think it was ever intended to ensure that this or that was balanced. All factions have access to the same stuff, so this wont kills the overall balance between factions just because some builds are quite good.
Now of course, no one want to end up with a game where everyone goes to the same default build because it is the only way to stay competetive. On the other hand, we have only been playing for a month, and there could be 100 others builds out there that are way more crazy than your average bat-spammer.
I hope zenimax will let players figure out counter builds and better builds before they just go nerf crazy on this and that. I would hate for ESO to become another of those games where you think back "PVP was exciting to explore in the beginning untill they nerfed it all".
I don't belive this is a bat problem either and there are ways to deal with the bat people by the way. It is true that vampires do shine when they get to run in the middle of a terrified group of confused player. On the other hand they shine considerably less when taking hits from burning oil. So keep in mind that while a group of players may pwn you in one situation, they likely get pwned alot in others without you ever knowing about it

The solution is not to nerf builds where they rock and boost the builds where they suck. That will lead to a game where it no longer matters what build you make.

Kypho

Smogg wrote: »

The thing is with the amount of skills available, there are more combinations possible than there will ever be players to test it. I don't think it was ever intended to ensure that this or that was balanced. All factions have access to the same stuff, so this wont kills the overall balance between factions just because some builds are quite good.
Now of course, no one want to end up with a game where everyone goes to the same default build because it is the only way to stay competetive. On the other hand, we have only been playing for a month, and there could be 100 others builds out there that are way more crazy than your average bat-spammer.
I hope zenimax will let players figure out counter builds and better builds before they just go nerf crazy on this and that. I would hate for ESO to become another of those games where you think back "PVP was exciting to explore in the beginning untill they nerfed it all".
I don't belive this is a bat problem either and there are ways to deal with the bat people by the way. It is true that vampires do shine when they get to run in the middle of a terrified group of confused player. On the other hand they shine considerably less when taking hits from burning oil. So keep in mind that while a group of players may pwn you in one situation, they likely get pwned alot in others without you ever knowing about it

The solution is not to nerf builds where they rock and boost the builds where they suck. That will lead to a game where it no longer matters what build you make.

So your advice is to boost all other other up to the swarm level? we will get then "Now thats what i call fast paced pvp. i pushed a button and 6 died, then enemy pushed a button and 6 of us died and we repeated it". so you want this? lets just drop our weapons, get naked and spam überdmg craps because thats what you call pvp.... nice....

knaveofengland

its business they will fix all problems , to say they do nothing or not bothered is another planet zog moment ,

Smogg

@Kypho‌
You are wrong. I did not advice that other skills should be boosted in any way. My advice is not to nerf or boost any skills at this early stage where we have yet to discover what is truely the builds that will dominate. Not just over a few weeks, but over many months. If two months from now 75% of players are all using a particular build, then statistically there is a problem and it should be looked at.
But if a group of people are using a particular build to kill players under a limited set of circumstances, then i dont want that build just to be nerfed because people don't want to bother with trying to counter it OR coming up with a better build OR trying to kill those players under different circumstances.

Snit

Smogg wrote: »

If two months from now 75% of players are all using a particular build, then statistically there is a problem and it should be looked at

If they wait two months to address this, the PvP population will be reduced to a handful of players.

You do not need a statistically significant sample size to recognize when build synergies combine in a manner that could not have been intended. All you need is a fundamental knowledge of the existing game mechanics. It's obvious on its face that ultimates were not intended to have near 100% uptime.

Thechemicals

largusmeansb16_ESO wrote: »

Been posting it all day, its not about AoE caps that will change the state of PVP, its unlimited ultimate spaming that is the problem. But a 30 sec cap on ultimate's and this guy dies like every other smoe.

Negative, the templar and nightblade tree has ultimates that are low cost for the design idea that they can be used regularly.

LadyChaos

largusmeansb16_ESO wrote: »

Been posting it all day, its not about AoE caps that will change the state of PVP, its unlimited ultimate spaming that is the problem. But a 30 sec cap on ultimate's and this guy dies like every other smoe.

I'm not saying this isn't an exploited ult stacking situation, but they wont and shouldn't add and any timers to the game. It's been one of their core pushes, that there are NO timers and you can spam whatever you want as long as you can afford to cast it. Even in this unpleasant situation it can't be considered because do it to one, they are ALL suseptable. Unless everyone wants all of their spells to now work with a GCD, and recast timer per ability...

My guess is restrictions to the lines that reduce ult should be reworded to not work SO WELL with each other, or a soft cap on ult reduction would be even better IMO.

Zintair

All they need to do is remove Ultimate Cost Reduction, Remove Ultimate generation while in Ultimate.

They really need to go back through all the Ultimates and balance them. Those are the only abilities REALLY effecting PvP atm. Mist Form is a joke and only good when used with Batswarm. It can still be easily countered.

These changes aren't hard to make but once again "power trip" DEVS probably don't want to listen and do things as they think is best.

Gwarok

Gisgo wrote: »

largusmeansb16_ESO wrote: »

30 sec cap on ultimate

This. Easy, and it works.

Extremeness is extreme.

15 seconds sounds way better.

Yankee

Goldie wrote: »

And before all of you elitist hounds jump all over this post, and attack me in your subtle smart-assery, let me just say... save it. No one cares for your off topic comments.

You start out a post with what may be a very valid issue, then end it with something silly like this. Why be inflammatory?

Makes it sound like you are saying is that anyone who dares disagree is an "elitist hound ".

I have not PVPed much so am not commenting on the issue, only on your ending statement.