Why nerfing bank spawns for motifs will ruin this game.

Shimizu

HashxBrowns wrote: »

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

I don't see how it will ruin the economy, and no I don't have a daedric motif. Personally, think daedric armor was silly, and only the emo drag queens want to wear it anyways.

The reason why it ruins it is because the people who farmed for these rare motifs before the fix have a lot of these stock piled in the bank. they have been selling for weeks and have over 600k gold. Now they will be able to sell the extras they have for even more gold since these will be such rare spawns now. How it breaks the economy is because you will have players that are so rich they will be able to get a anything they want without having to work for it now. Also all the players trying to play catch up wont be able to even come close.

This happens in every new game that's released. A group of people rush to the end, having early advantage of an often unpolished or unfinished product, and often profit from being able to complete content before it is refined/adjusted.

So they have more gold than you do 'cause they got there first. So did the first vampires and werewolves who sold their bites at 50k+ and a couple of weeks later its selling for 10k (or less, if such bites can even manage to be sold). Its just the way these sorts of things work.

I don't think its particularly fair, but nor would it be fair to delete all the motifs they spent time farming just because the devs decided to make a change to the item after the fact. Eventually they will run out of books to sell or, as is more likely having rushed through all the content, lose interest in the game.

Lupinemw

Hang on so your complaining that they closed a loop hole that people were using to make huge amounts of money...

Yeah I can see the Sympathy queue just filling up..No honest I can..

smosti

In all seriousness though....I have an ancient elf motif I want to sell for 100k. Hit me up if you want it.

(hopefully i get hits frome this when the price does rise).

hehe

vaxure

Zenimax please put "all" the exploits back in the game i didn't get a chance to use them lol .. for real? who comes up with this crap...and the ones that agree with the op? ..stop making me laugh!

Yakidafi

HashxBrowns wrote: »

Now i log on today to find out they nerfed it. this will ruin the games economy and will force people to quit.

Where do you see they nerfed it? Can not see it in patch notes.

krees28b14_ESO wrote: »

Sounds like someone is mad they only found one motif and they do not have 600k. If they leave it alone, which is what you are advocating for, then nothing will change, the price of your precious motif would plummet like the original nine motifs have. They used to sell for 2k, then dropped to 1.5k then 1k before the first week was over. Now you can get them from guild stores for 400-700 gold as most people do not want one. Not everyone should have rare items and the daedric motif is a rare one. The fix had to come sometime and better now than making crafting worthless in the long run as everyone would have the motif and no one would make money with crafting at all since everyone would have the motif.

I buy them from the guild stores for 800-900, sometimes even 500! and sell them for 1500, still selling like butter.

I think it is good they lowered the chance of getting the motif if it is true, becuase there are already so many out there, 10 people in zone yelling they want to sell all the time these "Rare" motifs. other ways of dropping if this is only way would be nice.

Custos91

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Well i would say destroy the economy , cause you cant really destroy the economy , you can only change it.

But yeah , it will change the economy.

I would have liked to have such motiffs , now maybe i will never do , but this wont really affect me this way. My guild got an entire team of crafters , and you can get pretty much any gear you want at mat cost.

I totally agree, I am Vet 3 now and the last Motif I found was 30 lvl ago? I was thinking about buying some of them , but I probably will never own Ayleids, Barbaric, or Daedra... Not a problem with this

kreekitb16_ESO

They dropped way too often even without relogging loophole, i got 9! Daedric Motifs from v6 to vr10.. and NO Ancient Elf, dont ask me about the first ones or Primal/barbaric... sold a few, most of them got istributed in my guild so they could sell their findings... maybe was a bad idea as i do not have 600k+ gold atm... hmmm

At least now a Crafter with those Motifs "might" be able to earn some gold from their craft... except i dont see Daedra/Ancient Elf as desirable, not with the look they have atm. And that dropped Dungeon gear is better than your crafted gear too... in Styles which are NOT available at all...THIS really sucks, patchwork armor style ftw YAY

EDIT: fixxed some errors! didnt take 5hours..

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

LOL so much at this topic. If anyone is bumb enough to BUY motif for some crazy prices then it's their own stupidity. No problem with market itself.

If I sell motif. I do it the way that I ask for offer and sell it 50% less than was offered. But my minimum fee is 250g to feed my horse in exchange. It's useless crap that you will find yourself over time. Sure I won't tell you my ingame name as I am not interested to pass these to some greedy one that will sell it for it's "usual" pricing right after I sold it to someone.

Locke_ESO

The ironic thing is that apart from maybe 2 of the light armours (daedric & ancient elf) most of the "Advanced" motifs are not exactly that good looking and make you just look like "another guy in Daedric armour". I have all 4 advanced motifs available to me on my crafters and I wear a mix of the Altmer and Breton armour styles. The main thing that was fueling the high prices was exclusivity and novelty and those elements are disappearing quickly when it comes to advanced motifs. By fixing this now it means when they introduce new motifs in the future the minor exploit of "log in/log out" will not be an issue.

Skylandra

My only criticism of this ( and it has been the same from day 1) is that the people who lose the most from this are the ones that actually play the game.
Those who do the PvE (RPG)content and didn't Mobgrind to rush to VR asap.
If people are willing to pay 60k+ for a rare motif so be it. or 40k for a bite. that's the fun in a player based economy. But all players across Tamriel should have had a chance to loot these and not give the advantage to power lvl'rs. If a lvl 10 Finds a Rare motif in Glenumbra/Auridon then awsome for them. They either sell or use when they can. Just like a VR 10 could find one. You can still make it super rare and valuable but each player would have had a chance...

Kalman

They just need to get rid of Motifs and make it where you can break down an item and learn how to craft that type of racial style. I also do provisioning and trying to find all the recipes I was getting motifs I already knew so I would just sell them and to me it was just a pain to deal with. I would have just sold to vendor for 5g but I know there were a lot of people still wanting them. It just makes more sense for you to learn from breaking down an item.

Abigail

Obviously, aside from those who were there first, the only beneficiaries of this change will be the gold sellers (who coincidentally sell motifs), who can now sell their motifs for even more RW cash. Good on ZoS for incentivizing the gold sellers even more.

zhevon

As much as I enjoy motifs - they are not a necessity - everyone is born with their own motif. In fact it would be much better if they would drop more often in locked chests or from mobs and less from town containers. I have gotten maybe 1-2 on mobs and never one from a locked chest. I have probably found maybe 20 in town chests and I have never intentionally farmed for them. This goes for recipes as well - I have had very few recipes of any color drop from mobs.

Cheatingdeath23

My wife really wanted the Primal motif, so when someone was asking 15K I offered 10K. They accepted, I tried to learn it but couldn't (need 6 points in the first skill of blacksmithing, I only had 3).

I saw someone asking for the Primal motif and offering 20K, so I sold it. Made 10K in about five minutes.

Haven't seen another racial motif since, so the joke is on me. Can't find them anywhere.

DJ_Pandatripp

I'm rather happy they nerfed the drop rate. The rare motifs are supposed to be rare. I would see tons of people daily selling them for super cheap. I am a crafter myself, but damn, if everyone has the same thing then what would make me so special out of everyone else? I am very happy with this decision by ZOS.

Food4Thought

My take on all of this ...

When all you need money for is to repair / buy equipment, upgrade skills with your mount, or increase inventory space, who really needs 600k anyway?

I do quite well on my toon and have yet to see 50k since game released.

rdfarley89

Everything that ever happens in the game will ruin the game's economy and force players to quit, according to people on the forums anyway...

witnezzb16_ESO

Rolled a new toon, figured i would do the old Daggerfall circuit for a few of the standard motif's for her.

4 full circuits of the city over a 4 hour span just to let stuff respawn, not a single motif.

Got a *** of useless crap even the merchants won't give me money for, but no motif's.

Thinking about maybe opening a lockpick and snowberry kiosk, got a couple hundred of those.

I'm not entirely sure which idiot is in charge of the stupid section in the Development division, but they need a raise, cause they are without a doubt, a special kind of stupid.

Yet one more reason on the list of why my sub is cancelled after the 30 day purchase period.

Great IP, game has lots of potential, sad you fukked it up so early.

Inco

Kalman wrote: »

They just need to get rid of Motifs and make it where you can break down an item and learn how to craft that type of racial style. I also do provisioning and trying to find all the recipes I was getting motifs I already knew so I would just sell them and to me it was just a pain to deal with. I would have just sold to vendor for 5g but I know there were a lot of people still wanting them. It just makes more sense for you to learn from breaking down an item.

@Kalman - Posted this into a separate thread giving you cred's for the idea.
- http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/91617/motif-farming-fix-deconstruct-chance-for-motif-instead?new=1

Cheatingdeath23

witnezzb16_ESO wrote: »

Rolled a new toon, figured i would do the old Daggerfall circuit for a few of the standard motif's for her.

4 full circuits of the city over a 4 hour span just to let stuff respawn, not a single motif.

Got a *** of useless crap even the merchants won't give me money for, but no motif's.

Thinking about maybe opening a lockpick and snowberry kiosk, got a couple hundred of those.

I'm not entirely sure which idiot is in charge of the stupid section in the Development division, but they need a raise, cause they are without a doubt, a special kind of stupid.

Yet one more reason on the list of why my sub is cancelled after the 30 day purchase period.

Great IP, game has lots of potential, sad you fukked it up so early.

Wait, I'm confused... you are going to quit ESO because you can't just run around town looking for racial motifs?

THAT is why you are going to quit?

I think it is great they stopped awarding motifs for the mere act of snooping in other peoples houses.

Lupinemw

All I can say is you won't be missed.

One of the best rage quits so far.

Kronosphere

good f off we dont need u. quiting over not being able to exploit go play pre patch skyrim and spam iron daggers m8

Narathen

TLDR:

HashxBrowns wrote: »

WHY NERFING BANK SPAWNS FOR MOTIFS WILL RUIN THIS GAME: "Because I do it" /cry.

Sandhya

Great thread for a wednesday morning 'LOL'.

OP - Get a life. This is a non-issue, either nerfed or not the droprate is similar for all players on the server at all times. Motifs are only dropping in price and this change won't affect that too much. It's not like thousands of players are constantly logging into bank areas to farm motifs, that is just your perception of things. Sure people farmed motifs, sure they made money off it, but so did the guys who sold their first yellow resins because in the first weeks those were rare and not everyone knew about the hireling alts - even now some people, I daresay many people, don't use hireling alts because they simply don't know. According to your drama-post, they might as well stop playing the game altogether amirite?

Another news flash: Motifs are not required for anything but looks. You don't need em. Case closed.

kreekitb16_ESO

Another News Flash: Price for VR Motifs are going back to where they were in the first week! Already Offers for 90k Daedric Motif... thats a BUY-OFFER.

So if you want it you are going to bleed... even if it is just because you want them all... like "alot" People post already with achievements and so on.. you want to experience everything? then find a Seller and Pay whatever he asks for it.

Repeat: Whatever he is asking for it, not how much you like to spend on it.

I am really glad i have all motifs already, and found some more for my Guildies... because well.. i just want them

Fyrakin

I can confirm that Motifs 10-14 no longer dropping or at least if they are their rarity is just insane.

Cheatingdeath23

Makes me question the markup I got from buying Primal at 10K and selling at 20K. Should have kept it!

ThisOnePosts

I found a rare motif recently but I don't farm using the log-on/log-off "technique". I just loot pretty much everything as I make my way through areas. So I can confirm they are dropping, but also it seems there are more "empty" containers than ever as well as lots of low level crafting items dropping in Vet zones which shouldn't be. Also, Motifs having a chance to drop off of enemies would be a cool idea but no biggie. I don't care for the economy on them, I already have plenty of gold from questing and selling some items for REASONABLE pricing --- unlike many ---- I have no need to be greedy. The things you can buy with gold are limited and I have enough mats to make myself whatever I want a few times over between stopping and harvesting nodes as they appear, looting and breaking stuff down, hirelings, trades, etc... I'd like to see things drop from bosses too however (like motifs although I'm good on them but I imagine there may be new ones released eventually).

ko_monrwb17_ESO

Why can't they just make the damn thing bind to account/character and be done with it? Or make it learnable from deconstruct like suggested above. Either way will kill the farmers and shut up the whiners.

Lupinemw

ko_monrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why can't they just make the damn thing bind to account/character and be done with it? Or make it learnable from deconstruct like suggested above. Either way will kill the farmers and shut up the whiners.

really, they will just whine that they can't sell it and its making the game broken..