Zenimax, balance and hotfix your game. (Batswarm OP video)

Pryda

I know it takes ressources to balance and hotfixes a game, but Vampirism is ***.

Simple fixes:
- remove the ultimate cost reduction from Vampire stages
- using mist form while carrying a scroll must drop the scroll
- let us see HP bar from players using mist form and nerf the movespeed to 50% or less
- Battle Roar passive from DK should restore HP/Magicka based on the ultimate cost AFTER reduction

No hard feelings for people using this or people raging about people using it as well, it's just a game and the fault is on Zenimax.

To people trying to argue and say that vampire is not OP, please stop.

http://youtu.be/Ucmjldufa6U

TheBull

OP,

infinite bat swarm is a bug.

Movement speed of Mist form is less than 50%. There are a couple of class skill abilities that can boost this. Nothing in the Vamp line though.

Before I became one I had all these wild misconceptions too. Now that I am, one w/o the bat swarm bug, I understand that Vamp is only 3 broken abilities.

Bat swarm - Bugged to OPness for a select handful of Vamps

Mist Form - Does not break or make immune to moment impairing effects

Drain - Does not work if the target is in a unnatural state i.g. horse back, stunned in a animation etc..

Passives - turned off every time you die and can only be fixed with a relog.


If I didn't pay money I would have the garbage cured. W/o the god bug, vamps are that bad atm.

Pryda

Infinite batswarm is not a bug.

Mist form is 52%, and it stacks with maneuver, so no it's not less than 50%.

You might not know how to use vampirism, that doesn't mean it is garbage.

Soban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnYi3z56RE&t=25s

orlandosrtub17_ESO

When are people gonna understand that Vampirism Stage 4 reduces all vampire ability cost at the expense of health regeneration. It is not a bug, it is working as intended.

Soban

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

When are people gonna understand that Vampirism Stage 4 reduces all vampire ability cost at the expense of health regeneration. It is not a bug, it is working as intended.

And then?

Pryda

Soban wrote: »

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

When are people gonna understand that Vampirism Stage 4 reduces all vampire ability cost at the expense of health regeneration. It is not a bug, it is working as intended.

And then?

It's obviously balanced! This damn nerf on health regeneration, you can't even play anymore

Phoenix99

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

When are people gonna understand that Vampirism Stage 4 reduces all vampire ability cost at the expense of health regeneration. It is not a bug, it is working as intended.

change that to -75% penalty on "HEALING RECEIVED" and we might be starting to get somewhere with the penalty being actually relevant

Alestair

One person should not be able to kill an entire army.. That is not how any game is suppose to be.. It's not working as intended.. Can I stay hidden while Healing someone, or casting any other spells? No...HE is completly hidden the whole time while hitting batswarm.. The moment you do damage to someone you are detected and no longer hidden, in his case he is hidden 99% of the time and the only reason they did damage to him is because they casted fire wall and dragon talons BLINDLY.. It's not working as intended, only reason you say it is is because you're a vampire and you hope to do the same as he did, or you already are..

orlandosrtub17_ESO

Being invisible is a morph to Vampire swarm so once again, It is designed this way and working as intended. You might not like it but the Morph(Game Design) allows it.

Never said I was a Vampire, I'm just stating facts.

Pryda

So the only thing you retain from this video is the invisibility?

orlandosrtub17_ESO

Pryda wrote: »

So the only thing you retain from this video is the invisibility?

No, I was just responding to the previous post stating that the Invisibility was not working as intended.

I agree you should always be able to target a vampire but instead on crying out for Nerfs it would be better that other lines get buffed like the Fighters Guild abilities.

Vampires are meant to be Undead Monsters and very difficult to kill. Just like Werewolves are transforming abominations that should also be very difficult to kill. The only way you should be able to kill them is by specializing in a skill line that focuses on killing such Monsters like the Fighter's Guild.

I'm just tired of everyone crying for Nerfs.... People let start asking for buffs not nerfs!!!!

Alestair

Like I said, One person shouldn't be able to take on an entire army ... Not working as intended.

Soban

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm just tired of everyone crying for Nerfs.... People let start asking for buffs not nerfs!!!!

So instead of nerfing 100% uptime stacking bat swarm and sub 80 magicka cost 75% damage reduction and near untargetability you would buff what instead?

Boogawooga

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

Pryda wrote: »

So the only thing you retain from this video is the invisibility?

No, I was just responding to the previous post stating that the Invisibility was not working as intended.

I agree you should always be able to target a vampire but instead on crying out for Nerfs it would be better that other lines get buffed like the Fighters Guild abilities.

Vampires are meant to be Undead Monsters and very difficult to kill. Just like Werewolves are transforming abominations that should also be very difficult to kill. The only way you should be able to kill them is by specializing in a skill line that focuses on killing such Monsters like the Fighter's Guild.

I'm just tired of everyone crying for Nerfs.... People let start asking for buffs not nerfs!!!!

Vampires should be a little tougher, but are not suppose to be gods. Right now vampires are broken and not working as intended. Infinite bat swarm is a bug. You can spam the ultimate 100% of the time in a fight, you are not suppose to spam an "ultimate" like that and kill an entire zerg while being pretty much invincible. Their abilities need to be fixed and some of them nerfed, it's that simple. I have watched over 50 players try to kill a single VR10 vampire, a good many of them using fighters guild abilties and spamming it, and it did nothing. That single vampire pretty much killed everyone. Vampires are overpowered and broken in its current state, and it seems more and people are jumping on the vampire bandwagon because of how overpowered they are and it is destroying pvp. If anyone is going to try and defend it and say it is not broken and working as intended they or are doing it themselves or are clueless.

rophez_ESO

Anyone who has actually seen it in action knows it is not working as intended. Anyone who defends it just wants to continue to cheese mode their gameplay. End of discussion. I hope ZOS will post a comment. Do they even read this sub forum?

Pryda

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ Please help us!

AngelofAwe

I agree it's completely broken, especially with sorcerers who can drop that ult cost to nothing.
Just changing vampirism not to affect ultimate cost would probably be the easiest and more "lenient" change.
I got vampire recently just because of how good it is. I haven't leveled it up enough to be OP yet but even if they completely removed the ultimate I'd still be a vampire just for mist form which is also incredibly good, especially for a DK that has no escapes.


Decreased health regen? Oh no, not my health regen!!!
Fire damage... okay that's a major drawback but you can dodge most fire siege.

orlandosrtub17_ESO

Soban wrote: »

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm just tired of everyone crying for Nerfs.... People let start asking for buffs not nerfs!!!!

So instead of nerfing 100% uptime stacking bat swarm and sub 80 magicka cost 75% damage reduction and near untargetability you would buff what instead?

What has not been said is how this 100% uptime is acquired. It requires you to be a Sorc and have the 15% ultimate cost reduction passive, Vapirism Stage 4 (60% vampire abilities cost reduction), and PvP Gear that reduces Ultimate Cost reduction by 20% = 95% Ultimate cost reduction. Every other class can only stack 80% Ultimate cost reduction.

So all of this is in the game and you say all of this is not working as intended??? Are you going to nerf the Sorc Passive? Are you gonna Nerf the PvP Set? Are you gonna nerf the Vampirism?

What needs to be buffed is the Fighter's Guild abilities so the balance is made between Hunted and Hunters. The biggest problem is that Fighter's Guild Abilities do not stack up to the opposite World Lines.

AngelofAwe

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

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The -20% cost is not a PvP set.
And you forgot about emperor/ former emperor which provides another -5% giving sorcerers -100%.


and vampire is what needs a nerf, vampirism should not affect ultimate cost.

/a vampire

orlandosrtub17_ESO

AngelofAwe wrote: »

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

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The -20% cost is not a PvP set.
And you forgot about emperor/ former emperor which provides another -5% giving sorcerers -100%.


and vampire is what needs a nerf, vampirism should not affect ultimate cost.

/a vampire

That's your opinion.

Bottom Line is that the Vampire Ultimate is a Vampire ability so it is affected by it's cost reduction.

AngelofAwe

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

That's your opinion.

Mine and every sensible person's.

Boogawooga

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

Soban wrote: »

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm just tired of everyone crying for Nerfs.... People let start asking for buffs not nerfs!!!!

So instead of nerfing 100% uptime stacking bat swarm and sub 80 magicka cost 75% damage reduction and near untargetability you would buff what instead?

What has not been said is how this 100% uptime is acquired. It requires you to be a Sorc and have the 15% ultimate cost reduction passive, Vapirism Stage 4 (60% vampire abilities cost reduction), and PvP Gear that reduces Ultimate Cost reduction by 20% = 95% Ultimate cost reduction. Every other class can only stack 80% Ultimate cost reduction.

So all of this is in the game and you say all of this is not working as intended??? Are you going to nerf the Sorc Passive? Are you gonna Nerf the PvP Set? Are you gonna nerf the Vampirism?

What needs to be buffed is the Fighter's Guild abilities so the balance is made between Hunted and Hunters. The biggest problem is that Fighter's Guild Abilities do not stack up to the opposite World Lines.

Clearly Zenimax missed how imbalanced vampires become with certain combinations. Just because something is in game does not mean it is balanced and working as intended. This is where nerfs and buffs come in. Welcome to MMORPGS where things are constantly changed and fixed. Vampires are not balanced and they will fixed. You can try to defend it all you want but it is going to happen soon.

orlandosrtub17_ESO

AngelofAwe wrote: »

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

That's your opinion.

Mine and every sensible person's.

Well since I'm insensible I will not continue express my opinion.

Last thing I will say is that nerfs will not fix this game. Once vampires are nerfed it will be something else, after that something else and so on. People will always find something to complain about.

At the end there will be no use for classes and everyone will be whacking each other with nerf swords, at that point, I guess we will look for another game to play and complain about.

Gaudrath

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

What needs to be buffed is the Fighter's Guild abilities so the balance is made between Hunted and Hunters. The biggest problem is that Fighter's Guild Abilities do not stack up to the opposite World Lines.

So we can play Vampires vs Vampire Hunters Online? No, ZOS needs to correct this by FIXING the bugs and rebalancing the obviously untested mechanics so that the original premise of the game, a huge range of viable builds, becomes true again.

A game where only two builds are viable for PvP is a boring game.

rophez_ESO

The ability to keep an ultimate that heals you and damages everyone around you up indefinitely is clearly a design oversight. If you think this won't be changed, I recommend you work on coming to grips with reality.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

So you harassed a group that doesn't know how to Magee light... ok

Pryda

Mage light? Yeah you obviously know something there.

Alestair

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

So you harassed a group that doesn't know how to Magee light... ok

Sorry buddy Mage light doesn't reveal invisible Batswarm "Tested" confirmed by ME.. several times... Now i guess someone else can test it and them also confirm it...

Ragnafrak

I chose to be a vampire for RP reasons, and honestly I'm disappointed at how FOTM they've become because of combinations like this. I was hoping that the disadvantages of fire vulnerability and less passive health regen would be enough to balance the vamps neat abilities so that not everyone would want to be one.

The sort of thing in this video definitely shouldn't be possible, but I'm still not 100% convinced that nerfing the vampire line is the only solution.

That said, I would more than likely be fine if the ult-cost reduction component of vampire stages were exchanged for something else equally cool but less game breaking under the right circumstances.

Maybe even just put a timer on Bat Swarm :P

VoTFJackie

orlandosrtub17_ESO wrote: »

When are people gonna understand that Vampirism Stage 4 reduces all vampire ability cost at the expense of health regeneration. It is not a bug, it is working as intended.

oh no! health regen! such an important stat, what will we ever do?!

I honestly cannot believe this was not hotfixed the first day it was discovered. Something like this would be instantly changed in a game where the pvp was at all relevant to the company.

Even that on a coding level that Zenimax have not put caps on stacking percentages (its not just ult reduction, once you explore the game more), is incredibly sad. Its poor development and very weak game design understanding, definitely not what I would expect from a game that expects me to pay a sub. Absolutely no foresight, sure players are the ones which usually find these "OP combinations" but when things like this make it past development stage, then one simply has to question development and their competence.