Poll results from the 3 ae cap polls

Lowbei

Should there be an ae cap? Poll results say no.

Should ZoS give us a full list of capped abilities? Poll results say yes.

Will this change affect your decision to play ESO? Poll results say yes.



We cannot make this any more clear for you. At this point it doesnt matter if YOU feel that its "bugged". We dont want it, and if you ignore your community and add it anyway, then this shows us that you dont care about your community and have thus lost our faith.

Zolyok

At least in your poll result give the number to yes and no
Should be an AOE cap ? Yes 12 % No 88%
Would the new AOE cap affect your decision to play ESO? Yes 56% No 43 %

There is a noticable difference

Lowbei

I gave the results of the poll. Simple as that.

The result was most people dont want the change, and this will affect their decision to stay.

Facts are facts, sorry if they make you uncomfortable.

ChairGraveyard

Lowbei wrote: »

I gave the results of the poll. Simple as that.

Facts are facts, sorry if they make you uncomfortable.

Stacking exploiters won't be happy until everyone publicly states that cheating is okay, as long as it's their favorite exploit (i.e., stacking exploits).

Zolyok

Lowbei wrote: »

I gave the results of the poll. Simple as that.

The result was most people dont want the change, and this will affect their decision to stay.

Facts are facts, sorry if they make you uncomfortable.

They don't !
But the difference between the result are part of it a 90% agaisnt AOE cap and 50% will migth change their decision to stay this is not same and this can affect decision also

Lowbei

What I said was factually accurate, sorry if it upsets you.

Zolyok

I'm not upset i didn't said this in a critical way just that i think adding poll result is important too that's all.

ShadowWolf613

When you give a poll to ALL the game and not just the forums which arent the majority of players let me know the results. Only some people come to forums. Others dont bother and just play the game or are on better forums. The polls just state the opinion on whos on the forum... you could ask anything and receive negative outcome on here. The forum is full of negativity and always will be

Lowbei

lol if you say so, but the facts remain the same here. most players want no caps, and this will affect their decision to stay.

feel free to keep arguing the validity of this if it makes you feel better.

Lowbei

anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »

When you give a poll to ALL the game and not just the forums which arent the majority of players let me know the results. Only some people come to forums. Others dont bother and just play the game or are on better forums. The polls just state the opinion on whos on the forum... you could ask anything and receive negative outcome on here. The forum is full of negativity and always will be

ok newsflash, the official forums are the most valid forums for the game. Since ZOS didnt feel that players deserve a vote on this before pushing it to the PTS, we were forced to do our own poll. the results were a landslide 90% NO vote toward the caps, which was about 3500 players, a far bigger sample than most real life polls (1000-1500) use when discussing millions of people.

Arguing that the polls are invalid because you disagree with the outcome is hilarious

ShadowWolf613

Lowbei wrote: »

anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »

When you give a poll to ALL the game and not just the forums which arent the majority of players let me know the results. Only some people come to forums. Others dont bother and just play the game or are on better forums. The polls just state the opinion on whos on the forum... you could ask anything and receive negative outcome on here. The forum is full of negativity and always will be

ok newsflash, the official forums are the most valid forums for the game. Since ZOS didnt feel that players deserve a vote on this before pushing it to the PTS, we were forced to do our own poll. the results were a landslide 90% NO vote toward the caps, which was about 3500 players, a far bigger sample than most real life polls (1000-1500) use when discussing millions of people.

Arguing that the polls are invalid is hilarious.

I'm not saying there useless. I voted on it. But in all honestly I couldn't care about the caps and your poll would Drastically change if people who weren't on the forum had a chance to vote. Having the poll (especially in the short amount of time it was up on the forum) Doesn't mean everyone thinks that way. Just cause its the official forum doesn't mean everyone who plays the game is on here. Most people don't use the forum. Some people don't even know there is a forum. And others are on unofficial forums due to the layout and such. Your just getting the results of a low percentage of the player base. (3500) Is not a whole lot.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

Lowbei wrote: »

anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »

When you give a poll to ALL the game and not just the forums which arent the majority of players let me know the results. Only some people come to forums. Others dont bother and just play the game or are on better forums. The polls just state the opinion on whos on the forum... you could ask anything and receive negative outcome on here. The forum is full of negativity and always will be

ok newsflash, the official forums are the most valid forums for the game. Since ZOS didnt feel that players deserve a vote on this before pushing it to the PTS, we were forced to do our own poll. the results were a landslide 90% NO vote toward the caps, which was about 3500 players, a far bigger sample than most real life polls (1000-1500) use when discussing millions of people.

Arguing that the polls are invalid because you disagree with the outcome is hilarious

So if you sampled 1000 people only in Beverly Hills in area where house prices are 1M starting about if they should raise the tax on the wealthy in the country you don't see a slight problem with that at all? Hilarious wouldn't be the word I would use but ok.

I agree with there should be no AOE cap by the way (this allows small numbers to take on large numbers), it's just the way refute is logic is not really solid. As a developer I wouldn't look to the forums as anything inspirational, they are always a cess pit for the most part.

savak

At the end of the day none of these polls or posts mean anything. With 88% against caps did ZOS agree to removing them... No. Did the other polls change ZOS behaviour... No. So we can deduce that in a 100% of cases ZOS does not care about polls.

Maybe if all the people who said they would quit actually do then ZOS will then change their view. In my opinion most of the people unhappy will still be here after this change because what else are you going to play?

Lowbei

its hilarious to see you saying that a poll sampling the games players, with a clear landslide victory, is invalid. You should learn more about statistics and polling.

ShadowWolf613

Lowbei wrote: »

its hilarious to see you saying that a poll sampling the games players, with a clear landslide victory, is invalid. You should learn more about statistics and polling.

3500 players isn't enough to warrant any kind of victory based on how many players are in the game.

Lowbei

thats more players than are currently in cyrodiil right now across all campaigns.

but it really doesnt matter, since its a random sampling of eso players, which is the basic polling concept that you cant seem to grasp.

of 3500 random players asked about the change, 90% said no. Thats facts, in sorry if you dont understand how polling works. perhaps google can help you

ShadowWolf613

Lowbei wrote: »

thats more players than are currently in cyrodiil right now across all campaigns.

but it really doesnt matter, since its a random sampling of eso players, which is the basic polling concept that you cant seem to grasp.

of 3500 random players asked about the change, 90% said no. Thats facts, in sorry if you dont understand how polling works. perhaps google can help you

the fact is it should be asked about to more then just the PVP crowd. And polling is based off a larger crowd depending on the population. If your poll was answered by 50% of current players it may warrant a victory but 3500 is not enough to warrant anything. Why would zenimax cater to 3500 players? They have TONS others who don't care.

Asava

Because they still lose the income of those that do care about it. It's a financial choice they're making.

Asava

Great, now even the forum lags and doesn't post comments like the UI doesn't like to do what you tell it to....

frwinters_ESO

OMG! Unbelievable. Dont you read forums? did you see there xplaination of how the AoE works?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/89420/area-of-effect-abilities-maximum-target-cap-clarification/p1

It amazes me how people complained about the AoE change. Then ZOS decides to listen to the community and explain it. Then still the community has to still complain about it after they explain it? you all have been playing with a 6 person cap. Whether you knew it or not you were having a good time! Now that you know it was a cap other then a very very select few abilities people are saying they feel lied to? Since when is any MMO an open door? Does ZOS have to keep us informed about there business model and financials? Should we be attending stock holder meetings?

Come on! Tons of people asked for an explanation of this AoE cap. An explanation was given to you. Stop always being angry and be happy the company listened and responded to you. Not many companies would!

RaZaddha

anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

thats more players than are currently in cyrodiil right now across all campaigns.

but it really doesnt matter, since its a random sampling of eso players, which is the basic polling concept that you cant seem to grasp.

of 3500 random players asked about the change, 90% said no. Thats facts, in sorry if you dont understand how polling works. perhaps google can help you

the fact is it should be asked about to more then just the PVP crowd. And polling is based off a larger crowd depending on the population. If your poll was answered by 50% of current players it may warrant a victory but 3500 is not enough to warrant anything. Why would zenimax cater to 3500 players? They have TONS others who don't care.

*facepalm*
Why are you guys discussing these things? If you want to completely dismiss any evidence that shows theres a percentage of the players that want a change how are we going to ever ask for a change?
This is a campaign, if you want something changed you talk to your friends, you spread the word, you make your voice heard, the same applies if you don't want something changed. Theres many players that don't know of this, theres many players that doesn't even know theres a cap on AoE, this is an issue thats spreading around other places, you can't just ignore 3k players vs 400, if the forum mods are worth a damn and want this game to progress would look and think "theres something wrong here", you don't just ignore 3k unsatisfied players, you just don't ignore a thread with 32k views and 900 comments thats asking for a change.

Yshaar

@lowbei : so you want to talk about statistics? Are you sure this is your training ground?

I will just cite @ValenWoody‌ from the other thread where this type of polling was being discussed:
"Sorry, but no SLOP (self-selecting opinion poll) is statistically valid because the sample population is automatically polluted."

Please find other arguments for your bonanza or put away the pitchforks and play like you did since the beginning...with partial aoe caps.

Lowbei

lol at the people saying that 3500 isnt enough of a poll for a few hundred thousand, yet irl professional pollsters use samples of 1000-1500 people per millions.

its only amusing that you dont understand how polling works, but its absolutely comical that all of you who are stating that the poll is invalid, were in the 10% who voted "yes". This shows obvious butthurt and explains why you are here raging about the factual information posted in this OP.

the logical answer would be for ZOS to notice that this is a huge problem, and to set up a launcher poll on the issue to ensure that they get all players opinions. But they obviously dont care what the players think, or this poll would have happened before this patch moved to the PTS.

Lowbei

also, your humorous argument that "all abilities had caps before anyways and you didnt notice" is laughable for two reasons.

1. they are changing abilities, so claiming that they were already capped is simply ignorant.
2. my group has been bombing zergs openfield with no siege, winning 6v30+ fights, and have never seen an ae cap, ever.

its obvious that you have no experience using aes to bomb larger groups, so im not sure why you are commenting.

tengri

Lowbei wrote: »

I gave the results of the poll. Simple as that.

The result was most people dont want the change, and this will affect their decision to stay.

Ah, come on, that's not was "most people" want.

That's what the people with the loudest voices want - who are usually the always angry, always outsmarted mediocre PvP peeps who desperately need all the help they could exploit to have some illusions of success.
Those who now fear one of their major "success exploits" is slipping away. And rightfully so.

You know it, we know it and Z knows it, too.

RaZaddha

tengri wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

I gave the results of the poll. Simple as that.

The result was most people dont want the change, and this will affect their decision to stay.

Ah, come on, that's not was "most people" want.

That's what the people with the loudest voices want - who are usually the always angry, always outsmarted mediocre PvP peeps who desperately need all the help they could exploit to have some illusions of success.
Those who now fear one of their major "success exploits" is slipping away. And rightfully so.

You know it, we know it and Z knows it, too.

-_-
Can you use more stereotypes? I'm already laughing at your post, but if you used more I could quote as one of my favorites gems about "generalization".

Lowbei

newsflash, when 90% of players say they dont want it, that means "most" players

to claim that only the people with loud voices or bads vote on the forum, its absolutely hilarious.

like i said, i have videos of my 6 wiping groups of 30+ openfield with no siege, by using strategy and tactics.

it sounds like a bunch of zergers who get beat by smaller groups are angry and want this changed because they cannot compete even with more players and thus scream exploit. lol

Nox_Aeterna

Well , it is a stupid idea , so what did they expect? That most would be in favor of caps to AoE? I mean really?

Hope zen wakes up.

tengri

What? Laughing at me?

You should be laughing at OP's post instead and at the dozens with the same tone popping up every day.
Always demanding to keep broken mechanics with the same ridiculous argument that "most people" want it.
Yes, yes, most ppl who voted on that poll want it.
And they keep repeating it over and over and over again. Doesn't make it more significant.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know many those really are in relation to the whole playerbase? "Most people"... Yeah. Sure.

Lowbei

I think its adorable that you dont understand how polls and samples of a community work

fortunately, zos is smarter than you, and will either change it, or ignore their playerbase and lose them. its as simple as that.

RaZaddha

tengri wrote: »

What? Laughing at me?

You should be laughing at OP's post instead and at the dozens with the same tone popping up every day.
Always demanding to keep broken mechanics with the same ridiculous argument that "most people" want it.
Yes, yes, most ppl who voted on that poll want it.
And they keep repeating it over and over and over again. Doesn't make it more significant.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know many those really are in relation to the whole playerbase? "Most people"... Yeah. Sure.

If you really want things to stay the same you need to make your own campaign to convince more people and spread the word, the people who voted NO are doing that, we want DAoC not GW2 zerg combat, the poll shows that of those who care about the future of the game are voting. If you ignore the majority of those who care about the game, what sort of community are you building? ZOS didn't even said WHY theres a cap on the first place.