DK root+ultimate spamming is pvp

Kypho

Can the incompetent TESO do something, so not just DK root locking and huge aoe dmg ultimate spamming would be the way of pvp? its kinda boring and annoying. Not speaking of the same with vampire ultimate. Its always the same. Go in, fight, and a noob DK will spamm roots all the time and his OP ultimate. Always the same, always...
Rooted, rolled out, rooted, rolled out, rooted.... why do anyone even try to roll? Its bad just like stunlock would be. Thanks TESO for this biiiig BS.

NordJitsu

There are two broken mechanics at work here:

Dark Talons (new nick name is Broken Talons) is just mechanically broken as an ability.

The second is Ultimate stacking. There needs to be a cap on Ultimate cost reduction to keep them relatively rare. And I think it couldn't hurt for the Vampire stage cost reduction to apply only to active abilities and not the Ultimate.

LatinLegacy

It has gone from bad to worse. The DK Vamp emperor on Wabba has a team of DK Vamps that run with him. They are all of the same build it seems & they have figured out a skill chain that throws the Talons on you & something else that completely immobilizes you. I have died 10 times in the last hour to this strategy. I am rendered useless as soon as I get anywhere near him until I am shield bashed to death by the other DK's. PvP will die if this class & build combination is not reworked.

Jnaathra

Yeah... they got some major issues to work on... Figure its going to take months to sort it out. Maybe I should bow out of pvp for now, its just to frustrating this way.

Xsorus

Ability User!

SirPuppingtonVonHat

Balance patch is slated to come with Craglorn. We'll see where that takes us.

Utherix

This is mainly an ultimate stacking issue which is exacerbated by some vampire skills. Basically Vampire DKs can get infinite ultimate. Because their ultimate deals damage, heals them, and reduces the damage taken (35%), they become essentially invulnerable to all but a coordinated attack by 5 or more players, while dealing huge AoE damage.

readymail79b14_ESO

Utherix has it completely correct. Thank you for the concise post.

neocomab16_ESO

basically I like chaining when coordinated correctly. What I dont get though is the fact that such a CC fest could be easily avoided thus making it harder to throw out CCs all the time but maybe think twice when CCing. Just give the CC breaker immunity to everything. IF I break any CC I expect to be immune for a certain amount of time no matter what CC I get hit. This is especially important for solo ganker types because face it, they are *** a lot by claw spam. Spam is bad but Spam is what it is atm and everything else is bull.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Vampire ult cost 80 ultimate or with set/mundus/emperor buff 49 ultimate.

Maverick827

Utherix wrote: »

This is mainly an ultimate stacking issue which is exacerbated by some vampire skills. Basically Vampire DKs can get infinite ultimate. Because their ultimate both deals damage and heals them. they become essentially invulnerable to all but a coordinated attack by 5 or more players, while dealing huge AoE damage.

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

Drachenfier

Don't even have Dark Talons on my bar.

Utherix

Maverick827 wrote: »

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

Standard of Might with Battle Roar. They can weapon swap it to Devouring Swarm if they need the extra HP, otherwise Dragon Blood will heal them enough to keep them alive through most things.

I want to note that Standard of Might reduces damage taken by 35%. Vampire Undeath can give +50% damage mitigation. Mist form gives +75% damage reduction. Assuming that this is somehow additive, Vamp DKs can get a whopping 160% reduced damage taken. If its multiplicative, they get 87% damage reduction in mist form, 82% reduction outside of mist form.

Its hard to kill a player when they only take ~15% damage and constantly heal themselves. Zenimax has hopefully learned this simple fact.

Please correct me if I am missing something about how Undeath works. The wording is unclear "mitigation" vs "reduction".

Ragnar_Lodbrok

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

Balance patch is slated to come with Craglorn. We'll see where that takes us.

Source? Ive seen nothing that states this.

Armitas

Specifically how does a Dragon knight spam their ultimate? ( not asking about vamp/emperor). Dragon knights can move their banner, could that be what you are seeing as spamming their ultimate?

joshisanonymous

Maverick827 wrote: »

Utherix wrote: »

This is mainly an ultimate stacking issue which is exacerbated by some vampire skills. Basically Vampire DKs can get infinite ultimate. Because their ultimate both deals damage and heals them. they become essentially invulnerable to all but a coordinated attack by 5 or more players, while dealing huge AoE damage.

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

This is what I was wondering, too. Battle Standard is usually what people cry about, but as I understood it, the ability just does damage and reduces incoming damage. Not too sure I understand why he's saying it heals.

Utherix

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Utherix wrote: »

This is mainly an ultimate stacking issue which is exacerbated by some vampire skills. Basically Vampire DKs can get infinite ultimate. Because their ultimate both deals damage and heals them. they become essentially invulnerable to all but a coordinated attack by 5 or more players, while dealing huge AoE damage.

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

This is what I was wondering, too. Battle Standard is usually what people cry about, but as I understood it, the ability just does damage and reduces incoming damage. Not too sure I understand why he's saying it heals.

Battle Roar makes all DK ultimates heal and restore magicka.

Armitas

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Utherix wrote: »

This is mainly an ultimate stacking issue which is exacerbated by some vampire skills. Basically Vampire DKs can get infinite ultimate. Because their ultimate both deals damage and heals them. they become essentially invulnerable to all but a coordinated attack by 5 or more players, while dealing huge AoE damage.

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

This is what I was wondering, too. Battle Standard is usually what people cry about, but as I understood it, the ability just does damage and reduces incoming damage. Not too sure I understand why he's saying it heals.

We have a passive called battle roar that makes any ultimate heal our health, stamina, magic. It's not a product of the banner, but the passive.So even if they used soul strike it would heal them.

Utherix

Armitas wrote: »

Specifically how does a Dragon knight spam their ultimate? ( not asking about vamp/emperor). Dragon knights can move their banner, could that be what you are seeing as spamming their ultimate?

Using enchants/gear/skills you can get your ultimate cost to about half and also increase your ultimate generation. Using AoE attacks you will be able to regenerate your ultimate in seconds, before your last one has worn off.

joanjett

Come on guys you all know that with any new game
you play that has pvp comes the unbalance issue, seen it many many times.
Just give them some time and they will work it out.
And if they don't then no pvp or end the sub.
I'll give em sometime myself but if they don't balance things i'm gone.

Maverick827

Utherix wrote: »

Battle Roar makes all DK ultimates heal and restore magicka.

You made it sound like the ultimate deals damage and heals continuously, like the Vampire ultimate, so I was confused. Battle Roar is a one time heal at the time of activating the ultimate.

I'm not sure of the math behind it, but at level 49, using Standard of Might heals me for 513, about 1/4 of my health. Lowering the cost of the ultimate would lower this amount. Assuming it doesn't somehow scale higher in veteran ranks, I don't think a 1/4 heal is anything to be up in arms over.

Also, what specifically about DKs allows them to get "infinite ultimate?" I've seen a lot of people erroneously think that DKs have an ultimate cost reduction passive and I'm wondering where that myth is coming from.

cjtignub17_ESO

Zzzz this thread again. Seriously learn to play. Rapid maneuvers removes dark talon root and morph makes u immune to it for 20 sec.

Also u can roll out of dodge. U can knockdown or stun the dk. U can bolt escape away from the talons (even if taloned)

Learn to play pls before asking for nerfs this game has taken a year to balance any nerfs now gona create real unbalance. Dont u guys get that its not balanced for 1v1 but balanced for group v group.

Also u got negate magic and if u think talons or vamp are op then have them run in ur group.

Drachenfier

Utherix wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Which ultimate are we talking about here?

Standard of Might with Battle Roar. They can weapon swap it to Devouring Swarm if they need the extra HP, otherwise Dragon Blood will heal them enough to keep them alive through most things.

I want to note that Standard of Might reduces damage taken by 35%. Vampire Undeath can give +50% damage mitigation. Mist form gives +75% damage reduction. Assuming that this is somehow additive, Vamp DKs can get a whopping 160% reduced damage taken. If its multiplicative, they get 87% damage reduction in mist form, 82% reduction outside of mist form.

Its hard to kill a player when they only take ~15% damage and constantly heal themselves. Zenimax has hopefully learned this simple fact.

Please correct me if I am missing something about how Undeath works. The wording is unclear "mitigation" vs "reduction".

Dragon Blood costs a *** of magicka, fyi.

frwinters_ESO

I say no vampires or werewolves in PVP! Let it be a PvE Mechanic only!

sSolutionSs

Dont forget Animation canceling so you can use abilities with no GCD..

Its very very clear that Zenimax Online Had No idea what they are doing when making an mmo...

Armitas

Utherix wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Specifically how does a Dragon knight spam their ultimate? ( not asking about vamp/emperor). Dragon knights can move their banner, could that be what you are seeing as spamming their ultimate?

Using enchants/gear/skills you can get your ultimate cost to about half and also increase your ultimate generation. Using AoE attacks you will be able to regenerate your ultimate in seconds, before your last one has worn off.

Yeah any class can use gear/enchants. Specifically what about the DK allows them to spam an ultimate.

Kewljag_66_ESO

and if you actually use your active blocking once your rooted you can block 75% of the ultimate damage, 90% with a shield. People see to completely forget that this MMO has active blocking

davidetombab16_ESO

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

Zzzz this thread again. Seriously learn to play. Rapid maneuvers removes dark talon root and morph makes u immune to it for 20 sec.

Also u can roll out of dodge. U can knockdown or stun the dk. U can bolt escape away from the talons (even if taloned)

Learn to play pls before asking for nerfs this game has taken a year to balance any nerfs now gona create real unbalance. Dont u guys get that its not balanced for 1v1 but balanced for group v group.

Also u got negate magic and if u think talons or vamp are op then have them run in ur group.

the nerf is coming my dear Mr ridiculous

jeradlub17_ESO

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

Zzzz this thread again. Seriously learn to play. Rapid maneuvers removes dark talon root and morph makes u immune to it for 20 sec.

Also u can roll out of dodge. U can knockdown or stun the dk. U can bolt escape away from the talons (even if taloned)

Learn to play pls before asking for nerfs this game has taken a year to balance any nerfs now gona create real unbalance. Dont u guys get that its not balanced for 1v1 but balanced for group v group.

Also u got negate magic and if u think talons or vamp are op then have them run in ur group.

Soon as you see learn to play in a comment then you immediately know that that poster is one of the offenders that has no talent and just picked the most OP combo they could find to play then claims everyone else sucks mouthing off all the time and as soon as his his little op bs build gets nerfed he cries and runs along to the next game to abuse. It's coming batboy, get ready.

Maverick827

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to how DKs, specifically, can spam ultimates.

SirAndy

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

Balance patch is slated to come with Craglorn. We'll see where that takes us.

Source? Ive seen nothing that states this.

@Ragnar_Lodbrok Puppington is referring to the PTS patchnotes ...