Cyrodiil PVP: Emperors Exploiting Broken Abilities: FIX this ZOS!

Semel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2-Zl1PETM

Some would say that emperors are supposed to be strong. Although I have no idea how the word 'strong" can describe what is happening in the video above. You lot who might say that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here although you can probably notice that the empress's health doesn't drop at all despite being attacked by more than 50 players. Let me explain

What you see in this video is the guy playing the current(now former) empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!!)
2) having a morphed to extremely powerful self-healing &damage vampiric ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form (75% damage reduction)
6) being an emperor

Now what is happening actually?

In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4(!!!!) , even 0(!!!!) in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam EXTREMELY strong and hard hitting AOE self healing ability INDEFINITELY
doing huge amount of damage.
Take into account also emperors super bonuses .
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get "normal" healing.

BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.

The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.

We managed to kill her one time when she was sort of alone avoiding being close to her at all costs, keeping distance and it took 50+ players I think and it was LUCKY silver bolts hits (5% chance to deal 1 k damage). BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to kill her if she is with her own group or if fight takes place in close quarters.At least without silver bolts.

It is totally broken mechanic exploiting all these 6 things combined (see above) to abuse ultimate vampire ability


PS Btw emperors keep ultimate cost reduction even after they are no longer emperors.

bantad87

Lol. This glitch is so broken, and only cements that players lead as emperor. ZOS should strip his AP and suspend him for exploiting.

Lexander

along with a permaban to that exploiter some patch for vampire abusers would be nice too, would be nice to have some actual penalties for receiving crazy benefits of being a vampire y'know

at its current state ESO could have just been made into some twilight-inspired vampire game as well.

awkwarrd

I think this is awesome.

The ultimate reduction thing, keeps getting reported over and over, and here is a good reason why.

Cyradiil needs some TLC, but i doubt it will be in the next 6 months, with all the PVE content being pushed out with those leaderboards with rewards aswell, not to mention getting all those other bugs and issues fixed.

Anyone wanna bet that instead of a fox/solution they just nerf everything across the board?

Oldtimer209

This current type of game "mechanic" is what will ruin ESO PvP.. imo
There is NO way in Tamriel that ONE player should be able to take that much damage and survive that long... PERIOD.
There are many positive things I have seen playing ESO and I subbed for 6 months but, I had NO idea that this type of problem existed in PvP until last night.
It is bad enough that there many players who abused an early game mechanic to give themselves a huge advantage in PvP now that it has been "fixed" it will be difficult for regular players to catch up to them.
So it will be interesting to see how this is addressed, hopefully in the near future.

Cydone

Needs to be fixed asap! Suspension/ban/perma-ban? No! They built their character up, using the exact line the ESO has given them. Using the abilities that ZOS put into the game and using them in the manner in which they were meant to be used. You can't perma ban someone because after stacking all those abilities they have, essentially, god mode. That's ZOS's fault and not the user.

Zordrage

now i know why 10 of us gott killed in seconds on top of a wall by a 2500 HP sorcerer that spammed the same aoe and was alone and not lost health til my groupmates also arrived with their 20 man Vet 3-5 players even then he was tanking them for some time..........

this is *** lol

and lets not talk about the stupid Oil abusers inside rooms with army of DKs chainpulling people in the middle of like 5 oilpots to be killed in seconds..........

what abbout the shield Bash spammers that keep you forever in CC while doing more dmg then pure DPS abilities and its easyer to spam ?

oh and those Bolt escaping sorcerers is also very funny........

did i missed something ?

joshisanonymous

One question: What do you mean when you say, "doing huge amount of damage"? You preface that with talking about healing, then you continue to talk about healing afterward, and in the video you can hear people talking about how she can't do much damage.

One comment: You can instakill her with Silver Bolts, as you say a couple times. That seems pretty significant. Would there be any way to instakill any other non-vampire emperor?

Basically, if I understand you correctly, she does fairly pathetic damage for an emperess, but she can live through basically anything if people are piled up on her, but Silver Bolts can still potentially instakill her. To me that sounds, I dunno, kinda balanced. From what I understand, other emperors will do much more damage, would still be hard to kill (though not as hard to kill), it won't matter what the group arrangements are, and there is literally no chance of instakilling them.

Cydone

Zoliru wrote: »

now i know why 10 of us gott killed in seconds on top of a wall by a 2500 HP sorcerer that spammed the same aoe and was alone and not lost health til my groupmates also arrived with their 20 man Vet 3-5 players even then he was tanking them for some time..........

this is *** lol

and lets not talk about the stupid Oil abusers inside rooms with army of DKs chainpulling people in the middle of like 5 oilpots to be killed in seconds..........

what abbout the shield Bash spammers that keep you forever in CC while doing more dmg then pure DPS abilities and its easyer to spam ?

oh and those Bolt escaping sorcerers is also very funny........

did i missed something ?

Yeah, you missed the CC break that gives you 8 sec immunity to CC and pulls.

Zordrage

Cydone wrote: »

Zoliru wrote: »

now i know why 10 of us gott killed in seconds on top of a wall by a 2500 HP sorcerer that spammed the same aoe and was alone and not lost health til my groupmates also arrived with their 20 man Vet 3-5 players even then he was tanking them for some time..........

this is *** lol

and lets not talk about the stupid Oil abusers inside rooms with army of DKs chainpulling people in the middle of like 5 oilpots to be killed in seconds..........

what abbout the shield Bash spammers that keep you forever in CC while doing more dmg then pure DPS abilities and its easyer to spam ?

oh and those Bolt escaping sorcerers is also very funny........

did i missed something ?

Yeah, you missed the CC break that gives you 8 sec immunity to CC and pulls.

yeah thats also ***......

seriously compared to the medium armor Dodge/miss abbility ( big lol )

or the Light armor PHATETIC bubble ( Biger lol )

Talek

You can't insta kill them from one silver bolt proc, you need 2-3 proc for normal abuser (~3k hp, banish trigger between 1,4-1,6k) and like 4 to kill an emperor. I wrote whole topic about that thing, and how pvp right now is broken when more and more ppl are going that build and literally can *** 40 man lowbie zerg with 3-4 ppl spaming just that one ability with 0 self skill in pvp. The most ridicoulus thing is that Sorcerer with former emperor passive can get 100% ultimate cost reduction which means devouring swarm cost 0 for him, he stack ulti 5 times on himself and are doing like 600-700 dmg per sec to everyone and heal 5 times more than Empress on this video, even 500 players wouldn't kill him cuz he's sorcerer so you can't get away from him (blink blink). Cherooke from Dawnbreaker EU is a proof of abusing that broken system to the point where you don't even want to log into the game.

If Zenimax won't do anything about it prior end of the first sub month i'll probably quit the game, because right now pvp isn't unbalanced, it's completely broken because of one ability. I'm still impressed that it pass through months/years of testing and they didn't cap reduction cost on abilities.

Kypho

Guys did you read patch notes? PvE fixes, and PvE fixes, and PvE fixes, and more PvE fixes. Nothing about ballancing, not to fix bugs like NB decloak issue, the deadly shield bash spamming, and other stuff. This is just an another MMO where PvE is the first priority, and PvP is on the bottom of the LOOOOONG list it seems.

Semel

joshisanonymous wrote: »

One question: What do you mean when you say, "doing huge amount of damage"?

I meant huge amount of damage overall granted she can stay alive almost forever

+ she does deal real good damage per sec as she can also use her other abilities at the same time.

One comment: You can instakill her with Silver Bolts, as you say a couple times. That seems pretty significant. Would there be any way to instakill any other non-vampire emperor?

You are right it is my mistake. I'll edit my initial post.

SIlver Bolt has a 5% chance to deal instantly 1k damage.

nickster2112b16_ESO

this build is broken as hell you don't even need to be emperor to be nearly unkillable seen one guy on our campain who wasnt emporer run solo into a keep with 20+ of us inside + all the keep guards on him and he survived for like 5+ mins.
Wonder what wonderful synergy DK.s will get next broken ass class which takes no skill to play dark talons standard or bats or whatever ZOS and there love afair with DK.s decided's to give em next

MrDDT

Wow, first the video is 100% trash. I can see like 10 blocks moving around at the quality.

Second is, it's very easy. Root, Negate Field = dead guy. Have a nice day.

Harbingers

MrDDT wrote: »

Second is, it's very easy. Root, Negate Field = dead guy. Have a nice day.

Simple and Easy.

Thechemicals

hah i bet that emperor is having a lot of fun.

Harbingers

Thechemicals wrote: »

hah i bet that emperor is having a lot of fun.

It Really Really Is.

limeli8

Negate would've killed any emperor in that situation and also soul tree ultimate can be used to one shot any emperor solo there is even a vid or someone doing that. Instead of going omg!!! OP!! BROKEN! - LTP! People get so upset that a huge zerg of dumb lemmings keeps bashing themselves to death on a door that isn't locked and are unable to bash though it... (hope you get the allegory). Any build has a counter to it!! Any!!!!!!!!
And in case people didn't know it most emperors could wipe that zerg solo - that one didn't and it only serves to say that her entire build is designed for survival.

Semel

Negate magic. There is no player collision and stun breaks easily without any abilities => CC immunity for 6-8 sec=> the empress gets away from the supressing field unless you have like 3-5 sorcerers casting it one by one.

Yeah right lol most emperors. Move along troll This broken mechanic has nothing to do with "most emperors" who die just fine.

I guess you are the one who likes exploits. No worries. The day of reckoning is coming your way.

You lot are either trolls or stupid *** or exploiters. There is no place in this game for ultimate ability of such power costing FOUR or ZERO points. We can all argue how we could counter this but the fact remains- IT IS BROKEN
It will be fixed and hopefully all exploiters banned.

joshisanonymous

Semel wrote: »

Negate magic. There is no player collision and stun breaks easily without any abilities => CC immunity for 6-8 sec=> the empress gets away from the supressing field unless you have like 3-5 sorcerers casting it one by one.

First of all, I don't have much of an opinion on this whole thing, I just think it's more productive to figure out ways to win than to complain.

About this strategy, though, the empress in your video seemed to be moving very slowly, so it seems like you're exaggerating how hard it would be to slow any emperor down. The fact that you had some 50 people on your side means you're likely to have a number of people with Negate Magic, also. I know zergs are pretty mindless, but I feel like yelling a couple times to spam CC and Negate Magic might be enough that, even if only 10 people in the zerg followed the order, you could kill this person.

Maybe they'd just blink away if they saw this, sure. But then they're just leaving. There's no real reason you have to kill an Emperor other than to get them out of your hair. If they can be slowed down or threatened enough to leave, then the difficulty in fighting them seems moot.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

I hope they dont touch balancing in PvP as it only ruins the 90% of the rest of the game PvE.

sleepspasmnub18_ESO

I hate to break it to you but its not exploiting. Zeni put everyone of those items/passives/abilities in the game. Just because someone did some research to put them all together doesn't make them an exploiter. I supposed everyone that wore the Ranger's medium armor for the 800 stamina regen was also an exploiter and should be banned, right?

TheFoxTango

Am I the only one that thought it was epic to watch? The calls for banning this emperor for exploiting a "bug" are ridiculous. The problem is in how Ult reduction is calculated. Reduction is just OP with certain ultimates.

Neferath

Totally "use- and pointless" thread except of one little thing.

It perfectly shows that players who put effort and brain into their characters will always have an advantage over those, who just simply read a grinding guide at the web in order to reach lvl 50 the fastest way ...

Everytime ppl encounter someone who actually did some research and did put some thought into their build prior than mindless grinding through the game, someone stands up and starts to troll about broken skills and exploiting.

Honestly, put some effort and brain into your gameplay and do some reasearch before starting to rant. Actually, many of the Vampire and Werewolve skills are buggy. Buggy in a way that is all but beneficial for those who have choosen to play either of them.

As for the "special case" of this empress, numerous ppl allready have shown ways of how to negate her built that is meant to tank and survive during pvp. This is nothing special or exploit-thingy but only shows that this player did put some more thought into his way of playing. None the less you can always counter that. At least if you use your brain and actually learn to use the right skills at the right time rather than just zerging and relying on max dmg ...

Reavan

I find it amusing that so many people would defend such broken gameplay.
Face the fact lads if you want this game to be around for any amount of time these things have to be fixed.
It won't make the game worse or anything it can only make it better and in the end better players will always win so what changes?
Yeah the fact that people actually have a chance that is the difference and it is a huge one.

Certain things need to be toned down and other things need to be buffed its the way mmos work and always will so please stop fighting the inevitable with such pathetic arguments. Really...

Xsorus

So.....Emp's in this game are basically Blackguards from Warhammer Online?

bantad87

To everyone saying he/she isn't exploiting: http://esohead.com/skills/32986-mist-form

This build relies on the fact that Mist Form is currently broken and is not preventing healing immunity; so this player, who knows that Mist Form is broken - is exploiting a bug in the game, which is against the terms of service. So actually, yes, he should be at least suspended, if not outright banned.

Cydone

bantad87 wrote: »

To everyone saying he/she isn't exploiting: http://esohead.com/skills/32986-mist-form

This build relies on the fact that Mist Form is currently broken and is not preventing healing immunity; so this player, who knows that Mist Form is broken - is exploiting a bug in the game, which is against the terms of service. So actually, yes, he should be at least suspended, if not outright banned.

So, you're going off a guess that he/she KNOWS that it's broken?? So, everyone that has mist form, knows its current state, and therefore everyone using mist form should be suspended?? Cause, with the line of thought you just put forth, that is what should happen, right?? Assuming that someone knows something ISN'T grounds for a suspension.

TheGrandAlliance

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hhHAHAAH that was MY server ahaahahhahaha.

Yes... once we figured it out... well just check out me server (Dawnbreaker EU) : )


If anyone wants to join the winning team... GO EP!

Alas... I assume you were AD. Looks like Fara battle or something. I wasn't there at that battle myself... but yes me faction figured out how to super buff a emperor using vampire.

O yea Vampire isn't OP RIIIIIIGHT:)

TheGrandAlliance

bantad87 wrote: »

Lol. This glitch is so broken, and only cements that players lead as emperor. ZOS should strip his AP and suspend him for exploiting.

Not Nymeria's fault that AD sucks totally bad:)

You know... instead of killing the emp you COULD try to kill everyone else first. That would make more sense then to spam kill the unkiliable hahahfhahahhhaahahah......