There is no such thing as Dwarven Ore

AlexDougherty

Brennan wrote: »

I'm a Bosmer and make bows out of wood. Breaks the lore. Needed for balance.

Indeed, but strictly speaking every Elder Scrolls game has broken that point of lore, by the terms of the Green Pact Bosmer can't eat plants or their fruit, but every Bosmer in the games could snack on apple pies and bread. It would have made finding out the properties for alchemy by tasting impossible too (I did this in both Skyrim and Oblivion).

So stopping Bosmer from crafting bows and staffs is a minor issue.

On the other hand the games have generally kept the Dwemer lore as inviolable, so Dwarven Ore is a much bigger issue, still small, but new and a fresh slap in the face.

PS. it doesn't bother me, but I do see why others are getting annoyed about it.

Salsadoom

Catdrexion wrote: »

Salsadoom wrote: »

Dwarven ore is fine, it's not raw ore in the sense of normal ore but the melted remains of a dwarven construct that needed refined to separated from it's other components

Well then it isn't "ore" then is it.

I have no issues with the semantics. All ore is a naturally occurring mineral or rock that a valuable substance can be obtained. They are just applying the term loosely. If you view it this way it fixes your lore issues. Just think or it as a typo.

Personally I was disappointed I couldn't mine copper and tin to make bronze.

Sleepydan

I agree. It would be better to not craft dwemer style than craft it incorrectly

VirtualElizabeth

Having trouble with the ESO lore impeding with your immersion? Retool it in your head somehow. For example, maybe Dwarven Ore is not really "Dwarven Ore". Perhaps some locals in Morrowind nicknamed the Ore "Dwarven" and it caught on somehow. Later it changed (i.e. in games in later time periods) back to it's correct name.

For example, how many places in the US have a different name for the word "soda". One place calls it Pop, another soda pop and still another calling all soft drinks "coke".

Catdrexion

Salsadoom wrote: »

Catdrexion wrote: »

Salsadoom wrote: »

Dwarven ore is fine, it's not raw ore in the sense of normal ore but the melted remains of a dwarven construct that needed refined to separated from it's other components

Well then it isn't "ore" then is it.

I have no issues with the semantics. All ore is a naturally occurring mineral or rock that a valuable substance can be obtained. They are just applying the term loosely. If you view it this way it fixes your lore issues. Just think or it as a typo.

Personally I was disappointed I couldn't mine copper and tin to make bronze.

Except that is not what they wrote. If they intended it to be discarded Dwemer metal, they would have named the nodes that way. They called it ore. Pretending something isn't there doesn't solve problems.

How about when Akatosh is a Veteran 20 raid boss, we'll just say it's a really big bird and see how well your solution satisfies the fanbase then.

Malediktus

ron.spark79_ESO wrote: »

Catdrexion wrote: »

ron.spark79_ESO wrote: »

are you sure you're not over thinking this?

ZOS said they would be sticking to lore. This is just so an obvious oversight that it makes me feel likeethey don't actually care about the franchise or community at all and that we've been lied too. I don't see how I am over thinking anything.

Look all i am trying to say is that this is a silly thing yo let ruin your gaming experience. I encountered an ordinator from Mournhold in Grahtwood. He said that Alm3xia sent him there but I clearly remember killing Sothasil Vivicand Almelexia When I played morrowind.
But whatever it was a fun quest anyway.

Sotha Sil got killed by Almalexia in Morrowind
Player killed Almalexia and optionally Vivec
But Morrowind plays like 800 years after TESO
so nothing wrong

Salsadoom

Catdrexion wrote: »

Salsadoom wrote: »

Catdrexion wrote: »

Salsadoom wrote: »

Dwarven ore is fine, it's not raw ore in the sense of normal ore but the melted remains of a dwarven construct that needed refined to separated from it's other components

Well then it isn't "ore" then is it.

I have no issues with the semantics. All ore is a naturally occurring mineral or rock that a valuable substance can be obtained. They are just applying the term loosely. If you view it this way it fixes your lore issues. Just think or it as a typo.

Personally I was disappointed I couldn't mine copper and tin to make bronze.

Except that is not what they wrote. If they intended it to be discarded Dwemer metal, they would have named the nodes that way. They called it ore. Pretending something isn't there doesn't solve problems.

How about when Akatosh is a Veteran 20 raid boss, we'll just say it's a really big bird and see how well your solution satisfies the fanbase then.

I understand why it annoys you, but really from what you are saying it's a text issue, if they labelled it 'pile of mangled Dwemer parts' would it bother you? In which case you use /feedback and tell them.

Yes, pretending it isn't there doesn't solve problems, but I am not seeing this as a problem but an annoyance. Yea I asked for a blue screwdriver and you brought me a red one, but it still works as intended.

And to be honest, I am a ES fan, but I would imagine a good number of people wouldn't blink twice if you called Akastosh a big bird (especially if he looked like the Wyverns..er Dragons from Skyrim.

I agree with you however the node needs renamed at the least.

R0M2K

Epic Fail

devolutedub17_ESO

I'd surmise the reason the armor isn't the same color is that we aren't dwemer. Sure we found the ore, but we lack the refined techniques to make it porperly, so our attmepts come up short of true dwemer metal.

Gisgo

Ore lore.

Sorry had to say it :>

Catdrexion

devolutedub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd surmise the reason the armor isn't the same color is that we aren't dwemer. Sure we found the ore, but we lack the refined techniques to make it porperly, so our attmepts come up short of true dwemer metal.

If it was "true Dwemer metal" it would be an alloy, not something I picked up off the ground.

Rosveen

Sakiri wrote: »

It bothered me too, as did Daedric Princess in reference to Azura, but Prince when in game referred to Meridia, who is traditionally female in appearance. Has Azura even appeared in game yet? Did not see her Pact side.

Also, Molag Bal, god of schemes? Mephala is the Prince of Plots... Molag Bal's sphere was enslavement and domination of mortals, King of ***... come on...

/lore nerd off
/illustrating the Annuad and cosmology and aedra/daedra as a side project lately for a friend and this rubs me the wrong way

/lore nerd on
Azura was referred to as Prince in her quest on AD side. Could be related to how the NPC prefers to see her? Here it was Azura herself and a Winged Twilight. I'd expect a daedra to know how to address a Prince.

Molag's been a god of schemes since 2002.
Varieties of Faith
Molag Bal (God of Schemes, King of ***): Daedric power of much importance in Morrowind...

God of *** title will probably never feature prominently because it's, uh, not very marketable.
/lore nerd off

cubansyrusb16_ESO

Also Ebony is wood, just throwing that out there.

Rosveen

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Also Ebony is wood, just throwing that out there.

Can't be compared to dwarven ore. We're operating on in-universe definitions. In Tamriel ebony is some sort of metallic glass, not wood. There's never been any mention of wood called ebony. So it's fine, even if a little weird. Dwarven ore is a problem because we know it doesn't exist in Tamriel. Dwemer metal is an alloy and nobody knows how to make it anymore.

As I see it, dwarven ore is a metal similar enough to real Dwemer metal that people started using it as a cheaper, more accessible replacement. Maybe they mix it with the real thing. It isn't as good, but at least you don't have to delve into an ancient ruin to get it. It might have even been used as one of the components of the original alloy back when Dwemer still made it.

MasterSpatula

Would have made a lot more sense for Dwemer to be a motif and Dwarven ingots to be the crafting material (a la flint, obsidian, etc.). This is as bad as having a sailor missing his copy of "The Lusty Argonian Maid," a play written during the events of Morrowind.

Abeille

Rosveen wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

It bothered me too, as did Daedric Princess in reference to Azura, but Prince when in game referred to Meridia, who is traditionally female in appearance. Has Azura even appeared in game yet? Did not see her Pact side.

Also, Molag Bal, god of schemes? Mephala is the Prince of Plots... Molag Bal's sphere was enslavement and domination of mortals, King of ***... come on...

/lore nerd off
/illustrating the Annuad and cosmology and aedra/daedra as a side project lately for a friend and this rubs me the wrong way

/lore nerd on
Azura was referred to as Prince in her quest on AD side. Could be related to how the NPC prefers to see her? Here it was Azura herself and a Winged Twilight. I'd expect a daedra to know how to address a Prince.

Molag's been a god of schemes since 2002.
Varieties of Faith
Molag Bal (God of Schemes, King of ***): Daedric power of much importance in Morrowind...

God of *** title will probably never feature prominently because it's, uh, not very marketable.
/lore nerd off

As far as I know, there is no "Daedric Princess". Even though Meridia and Azura (and Namira, Vaermina, Mephala, Nocturnal and sometimes Boethiah) manifest as females, they still have the title "Daedric Prince" because Daedra are actually genderless. However, I'm sure that the common people of Tamriel don't know that daedra are genderless, so it is understandable that some characters make this confusion, specially since these Daedric Princes that manifest as female are usually referred to and represented as females and not as genderless creatures.

devolutedub17_ESO

Catdrexion wrote: »

devolutedub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd surmise the reason the armor isn't the same color is that we aren't dwemer. Sure we found the ore, but we lack the refined techniques to make it porperly, so our attmepts come up short of true dwemer metal.

If it was "true Dwemer metal" it would be an alloy, not something I picked up off the ground.

So there ya go, that's why it isn't the real thing. So it's called 'Dwarven' ore, that's just the name of it. It's not actual dwemer alloy, so what's the big deal about it now? Perhaps the ore gets renamed or it's just what they call this type of ore for lack of a better name in this time period.

AlexDougherty

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Also Ebony is wood, just throwing that out there.

Ebony metal is called so because of the colour (black), not to be confused with Ebony the wood.

KerinKor

Catdrexion wrote: »

And this is not a "silly thing" this is major lore that has existed since the beginning of the TES games that ZOS just wrote off as not a big deal because they were either too lazy to come up with alternatives or just didn't care enough to work at a fix. What if they put in Falmer NPCs everywhere or made it so Nirn only had one moon? It's lore of similar magnitude and should not be dismissed as "silly".

Yes it is 'silly' to get so /emo over the name of an ore, but leaving that aside blame Bethesda not Zenimax, Bethesda have repeatedly said they were heavily involved in the 'lore' aspects of ESO so they more than likely signed-off on this as well.

Faolanhart

LOL, & ebony isn't ore in the real world it's wood. What of t?
See this is why I don't get lore hounds, I love TES & it has some of the most interesting lore of any game but come on, it's ore.
It's not like they are saying Talos was an Orcish bard born in a plane of Oblivion or that Argonians & Dunmer were the best of friends in times past.
It's ore. It's not a big deal.
Also, bronze turns green over time.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

I find Dwarven Ore a lot in Shadowfen. Funny thing is that I can craft it at same level as Orichalc. Is it a bug, I /bug and informed about it but no reply.

Catdrexion

Rosveen wrote: »

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Also Ebony is wood, just throwing that out there.

Can't be compared to dwarven ore. We're operating on in-universe definitions. In Tamriel ebony is some sort of metallic glass, not wood. There's never been any mention of wood called ebony. So it's fine, even if a little weird. Dwarven ore is a problem because we know it doesn't exist in Tamriel. Dwemer metal is an alloy and nobody knows how to make it anymore.

As I see it, dwarven ore is a metal similar enough to real Dwemer metal that people started using it as a cheaper, more accessible replacement. Maybe they mix it with the real thing. It isn't as good, but at least you don't have to delve into an ancient ruin to get it. It might have even been used as one of the components of the original alloy back when Dwemer still made it.

You can see it however you want, but that's not what this is about. ZOS has corrupted a major aspect of the TES universe. They are taking away the spirit of the Elder Scrolls and should be called on their bull and held accountable. If you just allow yourself to see it another way and brush it under the rug you are just becoming part of the problem.

Aggelos

Yeah this bugs me too but I do try to overlook it...I hate lore inaccuracies

psychounz

SirAndy wrote: »

Catdrexion wrote: »

From Dwarves v1, A book written in the fourth Era. So if 1,000 years pass from this game to Skyrim and they still say they have no idea how Dwarves made their metal, how is it that we are finding green rocks just lying around everywhere?

M'aiq told me that the Psijic Order made all the Dwarven Ore disappear 42 years from now and erased every trace of it's current existence from Tamriel.

But then again, M'aiq shouldn't be in ESO either ...

M'aiq is a liar.

M'aiq also told this one that M'aiq's father was named M'aiq, and his father before him.

But, then again, M'aiq is also a liar.

psychounz

Sakiri wrote: »

It bothered me too, as did Daedric Princess in reference to Azura, but Prince when in game referred to Meridia, who is traditionally female in appearance. Has Azura even appeared in game yet? Did not see her Pact side.

Also, Molag Bal, god of schemes? Mephala is the Prince of Plots... Molag Bal's sphere was enslavement and domination of mortals, King of ***... come on...

/lore nerd off
/illustrating the Annuad and cosmology and aedra/daedra as a side project lately for a friend and this rubs me the wrong way

Azura is in DC and does appear as/and sound like a woman

Abeille

I would be happy if there was a npc that said something like "Did you know that this green, shiny ore is not actually dwemeri/dwarven? It is just how locals call it. It doesn't make any sense, really, but have you ever tried to lecture the common folk?". I could picture someone in the Mages Guild saying it.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

its probably done as a way to combat farmers. if they made it only harvestable from defeated automatons, then we would see scores of farming dickwaffles camping in dwemer dungeons.

Rpalmer2

I would be more than happy if they were to add Dwarven Motif to the game. It has been in every other ES game. I do not see a reason for it not to be in ESO.

ArgonianAssassin

Yeah I expected a dwemer motif, still waiting for it, but yeah I said 'wtf' the first time I saw dwarven ore too,

Cowthulu

What the average person alive today knows about life on Earth 1000 years ago is nearly completly wrong. Even historians are working of of incorrect assumptions, reading only one sided views of events. It is actually much more realistic to see that a book written 1000 in the future would get it wrong.

Your character in this game is seeing firsthand what your characters in Skyrim are reading about in history books, and if you read history books, you know how biased they are.