Nightblade Tanks - Dont waste your time

LockeIn

Man if I ever need a detailed description of some build, I just need to bash it on the forums and I'll get every possible information about it all in one thread haha

Daggers

LockeIn wrote: »

Man if I ever need a detailed description of some build, I just need to bash it on the forums and I'll get every possible information about it all in one thread haha

I was about to say the same

I find NB an easy class to play, awesome in fact, but still there's no end to cool tactics & build approaches to learn. Now if only they've fix our busted skills.

rhubbert_ESO

I think there are countless builds in this game that are equally suited for a specific situations. AND THATS WHAT I LOVE. People laughed at my Sorceror tank build with a 2 hander and heavy armor but I have yet to experience a group wipe more than once in each dungeon (through tier 4 dungeons) and I have no trouble soloing. Every class can tank.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Its also not just about the class skills either. No matter what you pick you can still wear heavy armor, 1h/sh, and learn those defensive traits. Even 2H has defensive abilities depending on how you morph your skills. Nightblade tank is as viable as DK or Templar DPS. Both of them can dual wield too, or two handed, or Destruction staff... The possibilities.

Go check out a skill calculator, they probably have morphed skills info there too. Nightblade probably has some skills that morph defensively as well as offensively, just like DK and Templar do.

This is the beauty of this game. The class is just the style you want to play, not a forced role.

Garrett_hardy_ESO

This OP is an idiot and judged all this based on a lvl 13 character. NB tanks are GREAt, but dont play them. I don't want to many of us. We are lacking AOE CC. Just get volcanic rune. But we are the best Single tagrt boss tank and have huge AOE's for keeping aggro.

The_Emproer

@OP, tell that to the VR10 NB tank in my guild. NB tank is fantastic and second only to DK, get real.

Evergreen

Daggers wrote: »

LockeIn wrote: »

Now if only they've fix our busted skills.

This needs to be addressed.

AH93

Perfectly viable class to tank with.

Drekor

The_Emproer wrote: »

@OP, tell that to the VR10 NB tank in my guild. NB tank is fantastic and second only to DK, get real.

I'd argue they are better than DKs, much prefer healing a NB tank over a DK

dracobains_ESO

This game gets some of the worst fanboy rage going on I have ever seen. I suppose that is to be expected due to how beloved are the Elder scroll series. I know all you fanboys are supermen that can beat Molag Bal with a mere stick and disdainful stare, but in comparison to other classes Nighblade needs some attention and love. You can rant and rave all you want about that sort of assessment, but the majority opinion I run into echoes that as fact.

rdfarley89

Dudemanchu wrote: »

I've seen quite a few people boasting their ultra sustain lifestealing and dodging Nightblade tank -concepts- lately, and i really need to just call it out.

Nightblade is literally, the worst class to play as a tank. They get no mitigation buffs, they get no AoE CC for trash, or AoE dmg for threat, their self healing is leagues less than dragon knight/sorc/templar and all of their self healing morphs only heal other people.

Nightblade is a more than capable DPS class with abilities that focus on super high single target DPS and good ult generation for clearing packs during boss fights as well.

Nightblade is a more than capable healer with really great passive healing that also applies debuffs.

They also fill a pretty awesome niche as a bruiser type DPS (cleave and ult spam) that also gives groups passive healing (quite a bit actually).

But they are absolutely garbage when it comes to tanking. I dont care how great it looks on paper, hold that concept up next to an equally idealized Dragonknight, Templar or even Sorc and you will see how poorly it preforms.

To break down a Nightblade tank, they basically have Siphoning Strikes and Strife which helps them self heal. The healing from strife is, minimal... like 20-80 heal ticks, and Siphoning Strikes (bugged atm) requires you to basic attack to gain the sustain. Which is fitting i suppose because thats all you'll be doing. Theres no AOE spam in the Nightblade tree, theres no AOE CC for magika in the Nightblade tree, and theres no AOE in the SnS tree. All the while you're not causing any AoE threat or CCing, Nightblades have no innate abilities to help mitigate damage.

And before you go thinking of all that awesome lifestealing (which is literally 1 ability that ticks for like 50 HP) realize that EVERY SINGLE CLASS has a better self sustain than nightblades. Dragonblood, Dark Exchange, the entire Restoring Light tree.

I understand these Shadowknight/Deathknight type characters are cool in concept, but pls think of others before you start (literally) plaguing dungeons with them as a Tank.



If you want to Lifesteal tank, make any other class, and become a vampire.

LOL NOOB U SUX0R GET 4 LIFES

EzikielStorm

Im a healer and have done all the veteran rank 5 dungeon achievements...

I have played with both Dk tanks and NB. My honest to god opinion is that the NB tank runs are MUCH smoother all round.

In a nutshell i PREFER to be healing a NB tank.

stasa1981eb17_ESO

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Nox_Aeterna

Well , i want to see that heh.

Beating the content for now is enough , but once trials begin , then it will be a rush for the best of the best.

I want to see if anything but a DK tank will be worth anything then. For now , as long as people survive and win the fight , it is job well done.

Dubah

Lol let me put it to you like this, i am focusing this whole spiel to the OP.... Let's get started: We have a nightblade tank in my guild that is freaking amazing, there is only one person i know that can out tank him and realistically it's understandable why he does and its so minute you can't even tell. I've ran all 6 Vet dungeons with this NB tanking and he has done it better than quite a few of the DKs i've seen. It's not the class that's broken its the idiots you choose to group yourself around, now you want to see a real NB tank? Shoot me a tell ingame and ill point you in the right direction

cazlonb16_ESO

Funny case of shifting goal posts here.

"NB tank suxxors !!1"
"Well, no, it works just fine."
"yea, maybe before lvl 50, but not in Vet content !!!1"
"Well, it works just fine in Vet content, too..."
"Yea, maybe in low Vet levels but not at V10 !!!111"
"Uh, yea, at V10..."
"Ok, ok, but not in the trials !!!11"
"Well, we don't really know much about them yet, so..."
"See !!! I told you !! NB tank suxxors !!"

steelfencing

is it possible to run an evasion / blur nightblade tank in medium armor? I've been using this for normal content to level my s/s since I had maxed up my dual wielding ( I'm dps... but wanted to try something else and did not fancy healing)

no bashing... just your opinion on the viability... and if you think of it... skill you would be using

Aoifesan

steelfencing wrote: »

is it possible to run an evasion / blur nightblade tank in medium armor? I've been using this for normal content to level my s/s since I had maxed up my dual wielding ( I'm dps... but wanted to try something else and did not fancy healing)

no bashing... just your opinion on the viability... and if you think of it... skill you would be using

Very Viable. Though to do it proper, when you intend to be tanking you'll want both bars dedicated to it. And if you do it right your healer can totally relax

Evergreen

Tanking with a Nightblade can be done with five skill rotations and all the right timing. Nightblades have a lot more challenge being a tank and our dps goes really low turning on leeching strikes. We need leeching strikes as tanks just to keep up a defense rotation so we don't crumble like rice paper.

I really hope they fix leeching strikes to return 4% instead of the 2.4% the ability is returning right now in its broken form. Tanks should be a little easier for us Nightblades once they fix our skill.

Aoifesan

Evergreen wrote: »

Tanking with a Nightblade can be done with five skill rotations and all the right timing. Nightblades have a lot more challenge being a tank and our dps goes really low turning on leeching strikes. We need leeching strikes as tanks just to keep up a defense rotation so we don't crumble like rice paper.

I really hope they fix leeching strikes to return 4% instead of the 2.4% the ability is returning right now in its broken form. Tanks should be a little easier for us Nightblades once they fix our skill.

Until that time use Mark Target once your MOB is at 20% or less health and Assassin's blade with the heal morph and one or both of those self heals should kick in and heal you nearly to full health on there own.

Darrow

Dudemanchu wrote: »

I've seen quite a few people boasting their ultra sustain lifestealing and dodging Nightblade tank -concepts- lately, and i really need to just call it out.

Nightblade is literally, the worst class to play as a tank. They get no mitigation buffs, they get no AoE CC for trash, or AoE dmg for threat, their self healing is leagues less than dragon knight/sorc/templar and all of their self healing morphs only heal other people.

Nightblade is a more than capable DPS class with abilities that focus on super high single target DPS and good ult generation for clearing packs during boss fights as well.

Nightblade is a more than capable healer with really great passive healing that also applies debuffs.

They also fill a pretty awesome niche as a bruiser type DPS (cleave and ult spam) that also gives groups passive healing (quite a bit actually).

But they are absolutely garbage when it comes to tanking. I dont care how great it looks on paper, hold that concept up next to an equally idealized Dragonknight, Templar or even Sorc and you will see how poorly it preforms.

To break down a Nightblade tank, they basically have Siphoning Strikes and Strife which helps them self heal. The healing from strife is, minimal... like 20-80 heal ticks, and Siphoning Strikes (bugged atm) requires you to basic attack to gain the sustain. Which is fitting i suppose because thats all you'll be doing. Theres no AOE spam in the Nightblade tree, theres no AOE CC for magika in the Nightblade tree, and theres no AOE in the SnS tree. All the while you're not causing any AoE threat or CCing, Nightblades have no innate abilities to help mitigate damage.

And before you go thinking of all that awesome lifestealing (which is literally 1 ability that ticks for like 50 HP) realize that EVERY SINGLE CLASS has a better self sustain than nightblades. Dragonblood, Dark Exchange, the entire Restoring Light tree.

I understand these Shadowknight/Deathknight type characters are cool in concept, but pls think of others before you start (literally) plaguing dungeons with them as a Tank.



If you want to Lifesteal tank, make any other class, and become a vampire.

Do not listen him! He dont even check the NB skills tree! COMPLETELY WRONG!!! Such a wow player

Doclight

2 pages of you're rong and im rolling a nb tank

Awdwyn

Wheeeee necro! I laughed hard at the ignorance on display in the OP.